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Miami Dolphins New logo/uniforms Thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rocky Raccoon, Nov 12, 2012.

  1. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    IMO the flying Elvis is an ugly logo, but I would take it over butt-f*ck pat any day.
     
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  2. Fin D

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    oh god...why? That was the worst logo in the history of the NFL. It was executed poorly from technical and conceptual standpoints. The old logos are indefensible. Tradition is a dumb reason. Nothing is lost by changing the logo. Nothing. That makes no sense. Nothing about the teams previous accomplishments will change by making a more professional logo than that old piece of sh|t.

    I don't want change for the sake of change. I want change because our logo has always sucked goat nuts. Our logo was not timeless like Green Bays or the Cowboys. Unless you count timelessly ugly.

    The original logo and the various minor tweaks until the current one were amateurish. From a technical standpoint it is so poorly done it is an embarrassment to be associated with a multimillion dollar company. If you were capable of taking off your homer specs you'd see just how poorly that logo was done. Its actually a travesty.
     
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  3. SkapePhin

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    That's cool... I personally like the throwback gear (pre-97)... Its still a little goofy with the helmet, but its a nod to the times... I simply cannot stand the current Mickey Mouse dolphin logo and I am glad it will be gone forever. I doubt people will buy throwback gear with the 97 logo in the same quantity that they do with the 60s/70s throwbacks...
     
  4. rafael

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    I've actually seen dolphins jumping in the wild and the ones I saw were jumping like the new logo. The only ones I've seen jumping like the old logo were at Seaworld. And none of them, not even the ones at Seaworld were wearing a helmet. So I don't see any argument where the old logo is the more natural state making much sense.
     
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  5. Fin D

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    Um no. That's simply not true about the study. You are flat out making it up. And ftr, I'd love to stick with a timeless logo, but we've never had one here.

    Here's why the "tradition" argument is bullsh|t:

    Retired numbers. If tradition was applied the same for numbers as it was a logo, then #13 shouldn't be retired. The simple fact of the matter is, people who do not like change custom fit the concept of tradition to keep change from happening. Using "tradition" you can argue in favor of never using a number again or always use a particular logo.

    The old logo should have been retired in honor of our past greatness like the number #13. That is the utmost respect. How respectful would it have been to have 1-15 season with the same logo from the undefeated season? Talk about sh|tting on history.
     
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  6. djphinfan

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  8. rafael

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    Actually no, the studies I've seen indicate that people are most resistant to change in matters of beliefs and traditions.
     
  9. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    That's beautiful man. The best logo in the history of the NFL...IMO.
     
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  11. ToddPhin

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    It is true and I'm not flat out making stuff up. If what we're talking about actually pertained to the study you speak of then there wouldn't be half a fan base in favor of an unknown modernized logo change now would they b/c they'd most all be afraid of it. People as a species absolutely love change; we're simply afraid of unknown change or change that may bring consequences. Otherwise there wouldn't be options & options galore in this country and we wouldn't grow so tired of crap as quickly as we do.
     
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  12. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    That's my feeling as well. The only reason to keep the current logo is tradition. It was originally a poorly drawn and ridiculous logo. Eventually it was improved so at least it wasn't poorly drawn but was still ridiculous. The new logo is not perfect, but it is an improvement over anything we've ever had. That's a matter of opinion in terms of style, but it isn't in terms of quality of the art design.
     
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  13. ToddPhin

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    I don't recall saying otherwise, Raf.
     
  14. Fin D

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    No.

    Half the board is ok with changing this because the logos we've had are that bad. If we were the Chiefs most of the board would be against the change and most of the opposition would cite tradition.

    Every single graphic designer on this board hates/dislikes the original logo because we know it was soooooooo poorly done. We all do this for a living and have seen the exact same kind of resistance to change even when the logo is so very, very bad as ours has been.
     
  15. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    So anytime a player bends over to snap the ball, the first thing you think of is butt-f*cking? If not, what is the difference with Pat Patriot?
     
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  17. ToddPhin

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    But I don't see anyone supporting the current logo, Raf. As far as tradition goes I see people saying they'd prefer to revert back to the logo of the 70's. I personally don't consider the current logo as traditional for what it's worth.
     
  18. ToddPhin

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    Nice try. Change is change in the way you're referring. If you think a "bad logo" is the reason for fans being so open to change, then why the heck do physically abused women subject themselves to such repeated behavior when change is likely better than anything they currently have? Are you suggesting a bad logo is emotionally more intense and provocative than being in an abusive relationship?

    WADR, I honestly could care less how well or poorly it was done from a graphic designer's viewpoint b/c I look at it from a fan's point. I love the old logo for what it is, flaws and all. Any graphic & design experience wouldn't change it.
     
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  19. rafael

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    You said the studies didn't apply to things like logos which are clearly issues of tradition. In fact, most of your complaints here are about loss of tradition. Those studies apply directly to things like logo changes. And people who are resisting such a change will tend to resort to inaccurate arguments like how dolphins jump and such. I can't say where your motivation lies and I doubt you even know yourself. But I can say that your behavior sounds exactly like you'd expect a person resisting change would behave.
     
  20. Fin D

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    Um que?

    Exactly my point. Blind homerism.
     
  21. rafael

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    It wasn't my thought. That was just the nickname that the old logo had. I just think its a really ugly logo. Actually I recall a few polls that considered it the worst in the NFL.
     
  22. Sethdaddy8

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    We gotta see the whole package. This thing will bite Volin in the *** big time if its not the real deal.
     
  23. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    My thoughts exactly. It's a load of feces that only a graphic designer is qualified to say what makes a good logo.
     
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  24. MrClean

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    I've never seen any such polls. At the time it was changed there wasn't many football forums on the net. Maybe the polls were in an eastern newspaper or something. IMO, it's 2nd to the various Dolphins logos.
     
  25. Fin D

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    Quote where I said that.
     
  26. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    There is nothing wrong with resisting change, when the change appears to be only change for the sake of change. Ross is banking on the change to increase team merchandise sales. Well, bully for him.
     
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  27. MrClean

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    You didn't say exactly that. What you did say was: "Every single graphic designer on this board hates/dislikes the original logo because we know it was soooooooo poorly done. We all do this for a living and have seen the exact same kind of resistance to change even when the logo is so very, very bad as ours has been."
    Well, I don't give a damn if every graphic designer on this board or on this planet for that matter, hates or dislikes the original logo. Nor do I agree with your opinion that it's very very bad. Of course not being a graphic designer, perhaps I'm not qualified to have an opinion of the original logo. :pity:

    Also, I think it's quite arrogant really to think that unless logo meets the approval of fans who are graphics designers it must be garbage.
     
  28. ToddPhin

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    I remember seeing an article (perhaps it was Forbes) that listed Miami's logo among a list of the most recognizable sports logos on the planet. Not sure if it was only NFL logos, all professional American sports logos, or all professional sports logos worldwide.
     
  29. Fin D

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    Exactly i didn't say it.

    So basically you flat out fabricated a reason to be indignant. Bravo.

    And if you don't see how the original logo was executed poorly from a craftsmanship standpoint, then yes, absolutely, you have no business arguing your opinion about its execution. You can have an opinion and voice it, but don't give me sh|t because you aren't qualified to speak on its shoddy *** craftsmanship.

    The quality of the work is not effing subjective. Just like its not subjective if a mechanic does good work. You can like or not like the logo all you want i don't care, but you do not get to sit there and tell me it was done correctly.
     
  30. MrClean

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    Are all graphic designers as arrogant as you? If so, I hope I never have any personal dealings with them.

    BTW, I did not fabricate a reason, your arrogant post that I quoted was the reason.
     
  31. Fin D

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    This has nothing to do with my arrogance, quit being butt hurt.

    I know my craft. Just as other people know theirs. There are subjective parts to logos and design, but the craftsmanship part is not subjective.

    You are the one being arrogant. You are the one telling me the craftsmanship is solid when you aren't qualified to do so. Do you tell doctors what to do? Do you tell a paint & body guy what a quality paint job is? Do you tell a trained chef how to braise onions? Who the hell do you think you are?

    This is specifically why i said what I said about graphic designers not liking the logo for its poor craftsmanship that you took all wrong because well, that's what you do.

    This is the second time we've had the exact same argument in this thread, because you're still incapable of admitting there's things you don't know about.
     
  32. Ozzy

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    You're dang skippy!!! There is nothing wimpy or goofy about it either
     
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  33. ToddPhin

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    I think he's saying that the ability to dislike or like a logo isn't exclusive to just graphic designers. You made it sound like our fan opinion is insignificant b/c we're not graphic designers, that if we actually knew what we were looking at from a graphics stand point that we'd think the old logo looks just as bad as you do. I simply disagree with that notion.
     
  34. Fin D

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    I did not imply that at all. I was specifically talking about the craftsmanship and said as much. He's wrong and overreacted.

    This is the part in question:
    I could not be more clear.
     
  35. ToddPhin

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    I thought there was more context to it but I could be wrong.















    putz
     
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  36. Ozzy

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    Actually you could have been a lot more clear. You could have just said YOU do not like it because YOU KNOW it was sooooo poorly done. Instead you insist that every single graphic designer on this board hates it when in fact you don't know that...
     
  37. CaribPhin

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    Can I like both the old and the (alleged) new logo or is that heretical/impossible?
     
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  38. Ozzy

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    Actually it would show me that you're working with a pretty open mind...
     
  39. Fin D

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    Sigh.

    Here, I'll be super effing clear for you.

    The craftsmanship of the original logo sucks. That's not an opinion its fact. It is not subjective.

    Liking it is subjective. Its craftsmanship is not.

    Wrap your head around it or don't...I don't care anymore.

    The arrogance of some of you is mind boggling.
     
  40. CaribPhin

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    Meanwhile in the hall of intimidating logos:

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