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Salguero: Dolphins still struggling to sell tickets

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Mar 24, 2013.

  1. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    This is all true, and I don't disagree. I don't like attending live sporting events. It is why I don't care for having a local sports team. If a city were comprised of people that were all like me, it would be a bad football market.
     
  2. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Patriots fans are really bad too.
     
  3. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    That only happens in a few markets. Even in NY the Jets only sell out if they are doing well. The Giants sell out no matter what. Then again their fans haven't really been tested in a few years because they always seem to be winners.

    Last year, go and watch a few Chiefs home games. That once rabid home crowd is quite a bit thinner than it used to be. Last year they averaged about 15,000 empty seats. And it will be more this year unless they improve. Cincinnati has suffered from many blackouts for years now, and they still don't sell out. Same in Jax, Tampa and used to do the same in Detroit. I remember watching some Lions games and the stadium was barely half full.
     
  4. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    What I am getting here is that the only "Good fans" are the automatons in Green Bay, D.C, Wrigley Field, and Fenway.
     
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  5. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No, those are the best fans(I don't know what that baseball bull**** is all about?)

    There's a whole lot of spectrum range in between those teams and Dolphins fans.
     
  6. So you consider Sec126 a good fan even though he rarely attends any of the games?
     
  7. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Miami is never going to be that town, so why do you kvetch over it ?
     
  8. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Heat games are sold out, its not like their winning or anything.....wait
     
  9. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    And I read that for the 1st time in quite a few years, the Red Sox actually will have game day tickets available for sale. What happened ? I thought those people were on waiting lists and all for Red Sox Nation ? Hmmmmm, oh maybe a losing season had something to do with it.
     
  10. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Make the playoffs once in over a decade, and your ticket sales is going to suffer big time. As it should. And honestly, there is some "hope" with Tannehill and Wallace and an active FA run. But what "proof" is there of this team besting .500? One could argue that we also lost our #1 overall, All-Pro, best player in Free Agency. Along with the guy who was our best offensive weapon, and our defensive leader. A lot of fans are going to look at it this way(not that I do), and I can't blame them.
     
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  11. Desides

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    According to conventional wisdom, which is where "Miami sports fans are bad" comes from, Boston sports fans are among the best in the country. Their purported devotion to their franchises is admirable and a standard to be lived up to by all other cities that host professional sports.
     
  12. The economy has a lot to do with it too. Most stadiums have been suffering in attendence. Chicago is even thinking of building a smaller stadium with something like 10K less seats in it. It would make it the 2nd smallest stadium that the NFL has. Anyone want to argue that its because chicago isnt a good sports town that they are doing this?
     
  13. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    My point is you don't blindly call a fanbase "bad" or "bandwagon" without taking the teams success (or lack thereof) into consideration.
     
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  14. oakelmpine

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    And the Cubs popularity is actually a relatively recent thing. If you look at Cubs attendance figures from the 1970's and 1980's they usually only drew about 9-10,000 a game. It's become "a thing" to be a Cubs fan because of the losing.

    The Dolphins had been traditional winners. Don Shula in his 35 years here had exactly 2 (TWO) losing seasons. This franchise has only had 4 losing seasons once before, when they were an expansion team (1966-69).

    Miami also has to deal with something very unique to any other NFL market, and that is the loss of many of its fans because they have moved away in record numbers. Miami-Dade County only has a native (Dade born residents) population of around 26%. That means more than 3 of 4 residents were born elsewhere and either don't care about the Dolphins because they follow another team, or American football is just a foreign sport to them and they could care less about it, or even wanting to know about it.
     
  15. Stringer Bell

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    Don't the Bears have something like 20+ seasons worth of consecutive sellouts???
     
  16. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    I can tell you that that commentary only ever seems to come from people who live anywhere but South Florida. Maybe it's just a coincidence?
     
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  17. Eop05

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    Just watch how many empty seats at MetLife this year during Jet games. In the most population dense market in the country. Same goes for the Giants when they suck. Empty seats everywhere you look. I have people begging me to sell their tickets on ebay when the games are meaningless.

    What about in the early 1990's when Kevin Maas and Don Mattingly were hitting homeruns into an empty upper deck (like not one person in the entire upper deck empty) because the Yankees were irrelevant.

    When the Yankees are out of the playoff race by the end of August this year, just pay attention to how many empty seats there are in the stadium......and please, don't blame it on the ticket prices. At that point you'll be able to find tickets for 15 bucks a seat on stub hub.

    Like Section said. There's like 4 teams in the country in all sports that will sell out no matter what after their team has gone over a decade with just one playoff appearance.
     
  18. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    For me, no. I am nearly 53 years old. I'd rather sit at home now in A/C with my feet propped up and drinking a beer that doesn't cost me more than about $ 2 a bottle and grilled hamburger on my Weber and some of my wife's home made potato salad, than sit in back of some ugly fat 350 lb guy, who is loud and unruly, that smells like he hasn't taken a bath in a week, and is drunk or stoned or both.
     

  19. Maybe they did in the past
     
  20. Stringer Bell

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    When you consider the teams record, attendance for Miami underperformed. Only 3 teams had worse attendance.
     
  21. oakelmpine

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    Because many of the people who aren't from here suffer from a love / hate relationship with the Dolphins and South Fla.
     
  22. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    I've only been to 6 games in my life, even though I've followed them since the early 70's.
     
  23. Not So Fast

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    That's very interesting. Immigrants and northerners just don't care about the Phins. I also have a feeling that stadium location and the fact that Miami is such a poorly planned city has a ton to do with lower numbers.
     
  24. Stringer Bell

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    I think if a city were comprised of all Sec126s, then it wouldn't be a good market for a football team.
     
  25. Sethdaddy8

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    Plus, they'd be tankering in the penicillin in that town, I tell ya.
     
  26. oakelmpine

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    Check out Fenway this year dude, they have tickets for sale. Same will happen in Yankee Stadium this year if they play like crap. It's not just here.
     
  27. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Because they've been through it before. Jimmy Johnson....Top Defense...Ricky Williams...Nick Satan...Daunte Culpepper...Bill Parcells-Chad Pennington...Brandon Marshall/Henne Hype... all failures.

    Eventually, people just stop buying in to any hype until they actually see it. Mike Wallace is not going to change that. Reggie Bush didn't either.

    The only things that would get fans to suddenly buy tickets in droves are: 1. Actually prove something on the field by making the playoffs and actually not get demolished in them. 2. Get a Big elite QB in free agency which isn't happening. So fans need to see Tannehill and the team as a whole improve.

    And speaking of Yankee Stadium, they had a few thousand unsold tickets during the playoffs. It was a discussion in the sports media here, not sure if it went national though. Fans were not high on that team last year, and the stadium is not all that popular either.
     
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  28. DearbornDolfan

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    I've only had one chance to go to a Dolphins game in my life, when I was living in Dearborn and they came to town for Thanksgiving. I went when I had the chance. If I lived in S. Florida, I'd live off ramen during non-football season if it meant being able to afford season tickets. So, yeah, count me as one of those that doesn't have a ton of respect for the natives who take Dolphins football for granted.
     
  29. oakelmpine

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    They also have a population of nearly 10,000,000 to draw from and their stadium only holds about 65,000, which is about 10% less than our stadium.

    They also have been to the Super Bowl and playoffs a number of times in that 20 years. Miami's record is not that stellar come the playoffs for the last 20 years. I would even venture to say, without looking it up, that the Dolphins might have more losing seasons in the last 20, than winning ones.
     
  30. Coral Reefer

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    Maybe based on the historic support of this franchise they do....
     
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  31. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Last year maybe, but not over a 10 year period. Taking one year or even just the last couple is not fair sampling. How about 2008 when we had 61,000 season tickets (4th best in the NFL). And that was when the economy was going into the sh*tter.
     
  32. oakelmpine

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    Poorly planned ? Hmmmm, my experience with Miami (Metro Miami) is its easier to navigate than a lot of places. The numbering system used here makes sense and is followed by all cities except for Hialeah & Coral Gables, which use their own names and numbering systems.

    Los Angeles is a nightmare compared to Miami. One of my daughters lives in Monrovia, and I have cousins in Thousand Oaks. To get from her house to theirs is a night mare without a GPS.
     
  33. Joe Robbie

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    If you live in Michigan, why aren't you supporting your local team? Heck, the Dolphins have been basically the same as the Lions, anyway.
     
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  34. oakelmpine

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    Yet you live in a town with the Lions. But yet complain about people in South Fla who don't go to games. I wonder how many of these others that b*tch about South Fla, live in cities with teams they don't watch, care about or buy tickets to see ?
     
  35. Section126

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    But if they show up, they would cease to be bad fans?
     
  36. Coral Reefer

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    Sporting event attendance has been falling in every sport.
    Economic factors paired with the expense it takes to go to a game along with home/sports bar media options are 2 of the biggest reasons cited.
    This is not simply a Miami problem in any way shape or form.

    The market has special challenges as well which we all know about and have discussed ad nauseum.

    The sky is not falling...
    Miami isn't the best sports town due to its challenges but it isnt the worst in the least either.
    The team has been directionless and lacked star power for a number of years now.
    Once the quality of play increases so will the attendance.
     
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  37. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    How the hell do you figure that, with all that i consume in the name of this franchise?
     
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  38. djphinfan

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    Why do you hate going to the games?
     
  39. Stringer Bell

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    Because you said that when the team is bad then you won't attend the games. If everyone did this, the team would have 0 fans at their home games when they are bad.
     
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  40. djphinfan

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    The main complaint I hear from the Yankee fan is that they miss the old one because it had the fans closer to the action..
     

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