That's fine, it's a risk, I get it, but I also feel like we're not dealing with a bad person, hence why I'm willing to take it on..
I'm watching a rep where he plays Tannehill, reads Tannehill like a book, checks the route by Swope, ( shallow curl route) breaks, dives, and snatches the pick with full extension...all happened in like two seconds..
Same game..lol...the tight end catches a screen behind the Los, tyronne reads it, explodes to the football, knocks the **** of the player who weighs a hundred pounds more, while the tight end is in the air after the hit, a hit that he inflicted, somehow, he takes the ball out of the players hands before he hits the ground, for 6.. Another play, jail break screen at the 7 yard line, kid explodes to make the hit when the ball arrived perfectly, the receiver took the blow which knocked him five yards back, re calibrated himself where he tried to make another football move upfield, tyronne followed up the initial hit, tracked him after impact, and finished off the player in the endzone.
Oh but thats where youre wrong. Theres more then one perspective of what constitutes bold. Drafting a QB who is outside your normal guidelines is bold. So is taking a chance on a talented but troubled player in a situation where it can only benefit your team. If hes there in round 5 who else would you rather take? Will there be anyone else with his upside? No. By your very definition of failure LT was a failure and Cris Carter would never have gotten a second chance after his drug problems. Not saying he will turn out like that but imo you give the kid a chance in a low risk high reward situation. Im not advocating taking him in round 2. Im talking late 4th or later...outside the top 125 where his talent is greater then his draft position.
There's more to the Tannehill decision than him not fitting a mold. Its also the fact that he was not that experienced as a QB too. I'm sorry, but taking a QB at 8 that had only 19 starts because he used to play WR is infinitely more bold than taking a headcase in the 5th. The problem isn't nebulous, like 'a drug problem". Its that he refused to stop smoking weed no matter how many times he's been busted and is basically saying he refuses to stop on his own and any team that drafts him has to force him to stop by babysitting him.
I think he's a blue chip prospect if there were no flags..he's not a corner, he needs to play the safety position.. I watched the one interview where the kid was humbled, it was obvious he fuc$ed up his life path, it was obvious he loves the game, his teammates, the locker room, I'm willing to give him a chance based on what kind of person i think he is..he's worth me trying to help if I'm a coach from a human being perspective and a football one. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T9JoU5b-KTw I don't think he's a bad person what can I tell ya..the kid was adopted, and got caught up because everyone wanted a piece of him, he has that type of charisma.. How can someone watch that and not wanna help the kid out with a shot? Because a broke kid sold some pot? There are much bigger red flags for me.
That's incorrect, he has stated that he hasn't smoked since his rehab, it's not a case where he's saying he won't stop, he's saying he would like to have support so he doesn't.. For a kid that obviously had a rough childhood and probably a lack of good early education he sure is forthright and shows good self introspect.
When I said not fitting a mold, I factored in his lack starts because we all know Ireland, like his mentor, always liked his QB's to have a lot of starting experience in college. Im not debating whether Tannehill was a bigger risk then Tyrann because I was banging the Tannehill drum pretty loudly too. Im simply saying youre talking about a stubborn, not stupid, young man who needed some humble pie. He's had a nice helping. Hes been clean so far. Other players in the past overcame their stubborness/immaturity. To rule him out based on past silliness is shortsighted imo.
I wouldnt take him before the late 4th. We have bigger needs as much as I like him. If we had a stacked team like a SF or a Denver I may see it differently.
Our secondary is desperate for a player of this caliber..Our two young corners are gone..we need this kid as much as any team needs a player.
You just said hes not a CB a few posts back. We do want a player like this but Clemons and Jones are both above average at the position so how much would Ty even play? We need Des Trufant and Jordan Poyer or Jon Banks over him right now. Thats filling a need.
What I meant by that is if you plan on playing him strictly at corner you will not get the best out of this player, sure he can take over our nickel job, start working him at safety some in certain packages, that's all good..but long term my plan would be to play him next to jones.. Point is we're not gonna get a late third to contribute more than this kid could for what we need from a defensive perspective, we need play makers, players with ball skills, hi level instincts, innate ability to turnover the football by any means necessary.. Can we just take out the flags for a second...We can definitely use this kids skillset.
If we can get one of these 3 by the end of the 2nd round, then I don't see a problem with using the late 3rd on Mathieu. He seems like his upside is the ideal nickel corner to me.
What about adressing: LT RB TE Pass rusher. We have LOTS of glaring needs. IF we spend 2 low picks on CB, we are in serious neglect lots of other places.....
What's incorrect? He said whoever drafts him is going to have work with him and come up with a plan to keep him out of trouble. I cannot stress to you enough that is him not taking responsibility. The words he chooses are important, and he chose "plan" over "support". "Plan" means he needs the team to come up with a system to stop him. "Support" means he needs guidance when things get tough. One of those shows responsibility, the other doesn't. I brought up the Tannehill thing because you were saying signing Tyrann is the kind of high risk high reward that makes or breaks GMs, and I wanted you to understand Ireland had already taken a higher risk for a higher reward. Its not shortsighted. You guys keep acting like he made a single mistake. He didn't. He made the same mistake over and over and over and over, regardless of the circumstances. Its shortsighted to get enamored with a perception of NFL talent, when the facts are staring you in the face and those facts are, he can't be trusted and he continually makes poor decisions. And FTR, I don't think its wrong to smoke weed. The problem is the NFL & government do and Tyrann has not shown he cares enough about the consequences to stop and if either the NFL or government busts him, then there goes your investment.
How are TE and RB glaring holes? I think its time there were clear definitions given to terms people fling about on this site, like holes and elite.
"saying he refuses to stop on his own and any team that drafts him has to force him to stop by babysitting him" Your implying that he is ongoing in his smoking of pot.. Idk Fin, he's not strong yet, I get it. He needs some help dealing with some life situations, but his heart and his game is worth it to me.
I'm implying he refuses to stop on his own and he needs people around him to stop him. He has that now and will need it in the pros, only then he'll be rich....and if up to you....in Miami. I just don't think someone is worth the risk unless they've made it clear they've changed....and he hasn't.
Right or wrong, I think Martin is going to be the LT in 2013. We may still take a TE. Preferably an inline Y type like Michael Williams or Dion Sims, if we want to complement Keller's skill set. Taking for example, Poyer at 2nd and Mathieu at 3b doesn't preclude us from filling any of the other needs you mentioned, and we're still going to sign a couple more free agents IMO.
I wouldn't be against taking him in the 4/5th but I like him more as a free safety and eventual Clemons replacement than I do at CB. Don't think south beach is the best place for him to go though.
Everyones gotta quit sometime for that real job.I hope he's at least smart enough to quit during the season and drug test times. I ran into a current nfl starter and former high pick last week and he was hot boxing his benz.
he was smoking with the windows up to keep the marijuana smoke inside the car. Makes you get high quicker. I think.
The I think wasn't enough to convince me you haven't done this a million times. Meanwhile, Walter will be trying to hotbox his motorcycle with no success. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Smoking in a small enclosed area so the smoke has no escaping. Keep the helmet on with the visor closed?
if he really is available in the 5th round, its a no brainer to pick him, imo, 2nd, 3rd round is the question i think
Suffice it to say, I don't think taking Ryan Tannehill at 8 overall was "bold" for this particular staff.
And Tyrann Mathieu isn't a risk because he loves weed. He's a risk because he's disingenuous and unreliable. Also when you get right to it he's not THAT talented as a corner prospect. If he were Mother Theresa off the field there are still a fair number of corners I take above him in this Draft.
I think if you envision him strictly at corner it's a waste of his pure ability..I see him being the next Palumalu type with return ability. I'd like to know how y'all are categorizing the Word "Talent"..I keep hearing how he's not all that talented. Imo, This kid has a super talented skillset, especially if you add instincts in to the evaluation..his movement skills are top notch.
Depending on the draft to that point. I would not have a problem with the Dolphins drafting him in the 4th round. He has the potential to be a good player; if it wasn't for his off the field problems he would be a 2nd round pick.
I agree, I believe he should play the safety position when it is needed. He is a very talented player.
