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Miami Draft Strategy

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Boomer, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. DearbornDolfan

    DearbornDolfan Active Member

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    I would be very pleased if we drafted Eric Fisher, because he's a consensus Top 10 pick. I wouldn't be displeased about Lane Johnson. I would be both excited and concerned about Tavon Austin. I would be displeased if we took any of the so-called 1st Round CBs unless they're named Milliner. I would be downright furious if we took Eifert or Patterson.

    I'm actually looking forward to this draft, because there are no false prophets like Sanchez or (with all due respect) Bush, so we get to find out just how good the talent evaluation is in this league.
     
  2. DearbornDolfan

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    I don't think so. In Patterson I see a guy who is what the college level calls an athlete, which is code for "he has the physical tools to do anything, but he doesn't have a positional skill set." He's big and he's fast, but he's not a great route runner (that's being kind) and he has two really bad habits after the catch. In short, he's this year's Al Davis Prototype.

    For that matter, I'm not on the Eifert bandwagon. So far as I'm concerned, he's a JAG in wolf's clothing.
     
  3. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    ...said the guy with Kennan Allen listed as his 1st round wish. lol
    Too bad Mr Ross doesn't share your sentiments as he excitedly stated we're not done yet in regards to adding the explosive element to the offense.

    Take away Wallace and our receiving corps (not core) goes back to suckville; not to mention Bess likely isn't in the long term plans. It's shocking you actually think players with Tavon's ability come along every year, and it's funny watching someone actually complain about adding offensive weapons, increasing our big play ability, and making us more exciting. :lol:

    phrasing
     
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  4. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Dude ...

    Read the Greg Cosell quote below.
     
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  5. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    yeah, Hartline & Gibson wouldn't crack Green Bay's starting trio yet for some reason a few fans think it'd be overkill to add Austin to ours despite us being a slot receiver short of putting on the final exclamation point. IMO we currently have 2 starters, 2 backups, and 1 receiver who still has a job b/c we don't yet have his replacement.

    WR1- Wallace
    WR2- Hartline
    Slot- empty
    Backup1- Gibson
    Backup2- Matthews
    Guy waiting to be replaced- Bess

    There's still a giant hole in the slot, and I call it giant b/c in this offense and in today's NFL that receiver has the potential to see more targets & total touches than any WR/TE in the offense, and I for one sure as sh-t don't want to give all those touches & targets to a slow, non-playmaking receiver who can't maximize 'em. I just don't understand this ignorant mindset that seems to think the slot receiver is like the redheaded stepchild of the receiver position, that he's an afterthought, even though we repeatedly point out he's the guy likely see to the MOST touches if he possesses an Xfactor ability like Harvin & Cobb, which Bess obviously freakin' doesn't.

    Last year, Harvin had 84 offensive touches in only 9 games. 139 touches in 2011.
    Cobb had 90 offensive touches for 1086 yards & 8 TD. Not to mention Harvin & Cobb combine for 8 return TDs.

    To put it in perspective, in Green Bay's offense last year, among all WR & TE, Cobb had 26 more offensive touches than the Packers 2nd place guy (James Jones).

    ...and to put Harvin's 139 offensive touches into perspective, Wes Welker holds the #2 spot ALL TIME in most receptions in a season with 123 in '09; Wes had 128 total offensive touches that year. Yup, totallllly makes sense why some fans think we're crazy for wanting to maximize all these potential touches. :unsure:
     
  6. Da 'Fins

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    Exceptional stuff! Thanks.
     
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  7. Bpk

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    How about Jordan Reed as an H-Back to play in the slot. His RAC ability is perfect for the slot and his size would make it a nightmare for a CB to handle him, necessitating a LB, who couldn't cover him in the short area.
     
  8. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Hmmm, I dunno. Are you a hot blonde who looks like Tara Reid?
     
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  9. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Jordan Reed is a Dustin Keller clone. Except not as fast as Keller. I like Reed, but we are pretty well set at H-Back or Joker, with Keller, Clay and perhaps Egnew. We need a traditional inline Y to complement him. Kelce in the 3rd, Dion Sims in the 4th, or Michael Williams in the 5th.
     
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  10. cspooner13

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    I disagree quite a bit with this. Eric Fisher...I'm with you there, I'd like it. Same with Lane Johnson and Tavon Austin. The corners is where I disagree with you. I'd be pretty upset if we drafted Milliner because we'd most likely have to trade up to get him and I think that, if we're going to trade up, it should be to draft a pass rusher or Joeckel. If corner is where we want to go, I'd venture to say that Desmond Trufant, Johnathan Banks, Darius Slay and Xavier Rhodes are all worthy of a first round pick (I wouldn't take Banks that high, but I'd be happy with Trufant, Slay or Rhodes. In that order).
     
  11. 2xBlown

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    You got nothing on Archer.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLWrKh2fB0
     
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  12. Fin D

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    I'd take it a step further. Not only is Austin not overkill, but we should also add Bailey on top it. There's no damn reason at all to not solve our WR position for the foreseeable future.

    We take Austin for the reasons you've said and take Bailey to replace Hartline in a couple. Bailey does everything Hartline does but is better at all of it and can score TDs and is a tenacious blocker. In fact he'd probably push Gibson in the meantime and then Hartline maybe drops and knocks down Gibson.

    If we did that now, we could trade Bess, dump Binns and still have only 6 receivers and a 2nd and 2x3rds to solve RT and CB.

    I know people are going to think its crazy (that is just inside the box thinking), but our offense was our biggest roadblock last year and the most significant area of deficiency was the WR corp....and there's 2 very special WRs in this draft in Austin & Bailey and we could grab them and STILL have 3 picks leftover in the Top 90.
     
  13. vt_dolfan

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    Personally....

    I think its a great idea. I think taking Austin and Bailey would take what looks to be a powerful offense on paper.....into one that could possibly be a league leading one, provided our line isnt abysmal.
     
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  14. DearbornDolfan

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    Trufant and Rhodes are both man cover guys, they have no zone skills worth talking about. Johnathan Banks reminds me of Sean Smith, so I want nothing to do with him. And if you don't touch Rhodes, Trufant, or Banks, then Slay should be there at 2.10.
     
  15. DearbornDolfan

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    First of all, I think your viewpoint is slightly skewed. We do have a hole in the slot, but it's not Bess'. Remember, Philbin and his crew want to run four wide sets, which as a practical matter means 2x2 sets and we don't have a second slot guy. But let's entertain your thoughts and apply a litmus test; knowing what Belichick would do with him, would you trade Bess to NE for a 2nd and 7th? Let's remember that not only is Bess our best route runner, but he's a past master of the impossible catch, so every ball Welker dropped last season Bess would have caught.

    Frankly I think you're so focused on Austin that you've lost the forest for the tree. The more I think about it, the more I believe we should draft the best tackle we can get at 12, or use that pick as trade bait for another team enamored with Austin. We should then use the extra 2nd or 3rd rounder to draft Swope, who is every bit as fast as Austin but is a much larger player.
     
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  16. GreenMonster

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    Look many folks are locked in, Tavon Austin or bust. Even though we have holes at many other spots, none of these will be a big deal if add Tavon Austin to the slot.

    I see the the reasoning, but I don't see it happening.
     
  17. GreenMonster

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    Bailey is already better than Hartline, give me a break. There may be 2 special receivers in this draft, but Bailey isn't one of them.
     
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  18. Fin D

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    We don't have many holes.
     
  19. Fin D

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    Sure thing. Whatever you say. Thanks for setting me straight.
     
  20. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Johnthan Banks has much better instincts and ball skills than Sean Smith. He's better in zone coverage, because that's what he mostly played at Mississippi State. MSU was ran a lot of cover 3, soft cover 2, and off man with both Banks and Slay. They didn't press much with either one.

    One thing Banks does a much better job of than Sean Smith is breaking on the ball on plays in front of him. This is where he gets most of his interceptions. He reads the quarterback well and gets a great jump on plays in front of him. Sean Smith's hips are stuck in neutral when he tries to do this.

    IMO, Banks is the 2nd best zone corner in this draft behind Dee Milliner.
     
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  21. Jcouch1021

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    A. Keenan Allen was a wish 10/10/12 that was a long time ago.B. yes I look like Tara Reid naked but with better ****
    C. I read the article that cossel wrote, I understand that in THIS years draft Austin is the most explosive but we hear about a player like this every single year. "So fast, double threat, most explosive"


    I'm not trying to pick a fight I'm just saying I'd love to hear more about our other options at 12 it's getting tiring with Austin because I think everyone has heard everything about him, lets hear more about what people think of Werner, tank, Rhodes, trufant, star, Floyd, Eifert, anyone please...


    And I'm not saying 100% of you are doing this because I know ck loves Werner, I know stitches loves eifert.. Just want some more diversity.


    End of rant.


    Oh and my **** really are better the. Tara Reid's. circa 2005
     
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  22. GreenMonster

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    If we didn't have so many holes at WR, maybe we could think about adding a CB to our stable of thoroughbreds in the later rounds.
     
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  23. Jcouch1021

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    I would loveeee banks in the 2nd and maybe with 3b go with slay? Miss state had a great zone D past year and pairing those two up again would be fantastic

    42nd ranked D in country in a TOUGH SEC, 17 td allowed 19 INT. and I believe only 3 games with over 300yards allowed
     
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  24. gandalfin

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    I'm certainly on the Austin bandwagon but I could understand the idea that we could use a Boldin type guy that is big with leaping ability to be able to out jump the DB and get the ball at it's highest point. However this ability could also come from the TE.
     
  25. Hurricane

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    I go to the original U and have seen every Utah game since 2009. What do you want to know about Star? His measurables underestimate his in-person presence, he's a mammoth of a man...but not at all fat. Solid muscle. He moved all around our line during games, and projects as either a 3-4 end or 4-3 DT in the NFL. He has great burst and routinely took on double and triple teams with ease--even supposedly all-PAC lines like USC. He hasn't had many sacks here, but he's collapsing the pocket, even with the extra blocking assignments on him, on literally every play. It goes without saying that the running lanes anywhere near the middle were virtually shut down. He has a nonstop motor, and he's playing hard until the whistle blows from the start of the game until the finish. He also draws quite a few holding calls, while rarely being penalized, himself. The only time he's ever looked "bad" in my eyes was @ ASU this past year (a game which I sadly made the trip to), but the entire team had given up, so it's tough to pin that one bad performance on him. His heart condition was due to an illness early this year and is not a genetic or lifelong issue; he was reevaluated at the university hospital two weeks ago and the MRI showed massive improvement from the one from the combine. He had an exceptional pro-day, highlighted by 38x 225 and a 5.15 or so 40. He's a Mormon, and settled down with a wife and kids, and has never had any issues on or off the field here. He originally committed to BYU, but was academically ineligble, and so he enrolled in Snow College (a JC) before choosing the U over BYU a couple of years ago. I've heard a lot of people compare him to Ngata, but I'm not really sure why, beyond the Polynesian heritage; they're totally different in their styles of play. I can't think of an apt comparison, but know that he's a player that will make entire defenses better by destroying inside lines, and freeing up Wake & Co. If he somehow fell to 12, he'd almost certainly be the BPA.
     
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  26. Fin D

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    You should probably check out the draft forum then. There's probably one or two threads with each player you're mentioning.
     
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  27. Bpk

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    I like Banks but one thing that gets overlooked a bit is that his coaching staff took him off the field vs the run.
     
  28. Jcouch1021

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    Title of this thread?
     
  29. Jcouch1021

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    Thank you. That's about the best write up I have seen of Star yet. Would you prefer him or Werner?
     
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  30. Fin D

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    What is the name of the forum I suggested you look into?

    I thought you wanted info, I pointed you in the direction to get that info.

    No need to be an ***.

    I mean you're asking about opinions on players in a draft strategy thread.
     
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  31. Jcouch1021

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    I apologize I thought you were being sarcastic with me. I just figured since we have talked about one or two players predominantly in this thread that someone would have some insight. Again I'm sorry I thought you were being sarcastic
     
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  32. Hurricane

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    Well there are two main things to consider:

    1) Whether or not we sign another DE in FA (such as Abraham or Freeney)
    2) What our long-term plans are at DT

    With that said, if one of the veterans DEs are signed, then both positions are essentially stop-gapped until next year, when Soliai, Starks (if he's not signed beyond the franchise tender), and, presumably, the vet DE would all be free agents. So, two spots to fill versus one.

    If it was between Werner and Star, or Star and any of the DE's for that matter, I'll take Star...Although I'd use the whole clock if Ansah was there, too (both players being from Utah schools is coincidental...I think that they're both the best at their positions). Every DE in this class seems to have some sort of weakness, whereas, to me, Star is the safest player in the draft.
     
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  33. Stitches

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    For the record, if Star was at #12, (assuming he was medically cleared) I'd take him over Eifert.
     
  34. Jcouch1021

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    I agree on the safest pick. And based off what I've seen and you've said the guy is a monster in the middle of the line. Him next to solia/Starks makes me feel warm inside and would make Tom Brady shudder. You are correct on the path we take at DE but also have to consider Vernon odrick and possibly misi
     
  35. Jcouch1021

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    i think 12 is high for Eifert but the flip side is if we trade down I'd be thrilled to have Tyler as our first pick.
     
  36. DearbornDolfan

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    The more I think about this, the more I think the team should ring up the Rams and trade Bess to them for their second. Swope is very attainable and I don't think there's much fall-off physically between Austin and Swope, but with Swope there's the fact that Tannehill's actually thrown passes to the guy. There are enough options in the second and third rounds to have a very nice draft; I think my three favorites are a must, but there's some latitude with that extra pick in where you take them.
     
  37. Fin D

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    I'll be honest, I don't see the Austin OR Swope argument.

    If you're in the market for an Austin-like player you don't shop at the Swope store, and vice versa.
     
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  38. Jcouch1021

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    I wouldn't mind this but if we can get a second for bess I'd be flabbergasted.
     
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  39. gunn34

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    Why would anyone give us a 2nd for Bess? Especially with the WR class out there.
     
  40. Hurricane

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    They wouldn't, unfortunately.

    He'll be cut if we add another WR. Best for them to just wait.
     

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