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***The Official Eurocup 2008 thread***

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by giovafin, May 25, 2008.

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  1. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Maybe the refs are so used to the Italians diving that they can't see the "real" fouls anymore...
     
  2. Tone_E

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    I was talking about the call against Poland.

    I didn't get to see the Italy game as I was at work hosting clients from the US. :angry:

    Was Toni's goal that clearly onside? It wouldn't surprise me if it was. Remember against Croatia in '02 I believe when Vieri had 2 called back that were clearly onside??

    It seems like all Italians are cry babies, as we always seem to make excuses, and when we plead a case, we are called cry babies. But it damn well seems that there is always controversy in any game that Italy plays. Then, Korea/Japan, when the refs clearly favored the Koreans against spain, and made that bad out of bounds call, what happened? Spain got duped. The whole world said it. If it was Italy in Spain's situation, we'd again be called cry babies.
     
  3. Tone_E

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    Maybe the refs haven't seen C. Ronaldo play enough if they have that mentality. Everyone dives, EVERYONE! Get that through your head, or watch the damn sport.
     
  4. first&goal

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    I really think that all this makes no difference, Italy not be able to beat Romania shows you how bad the team is, we need to stop to make excuses, not being able to beat Romania by a least 2 goals is not acceptable.....maybe we will play better next time.
     
  5. Tone_E

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    Listen man, I am not making any excuses as I didn't watch the game, but Romania is not that bad of a team. In fact they are better than what most think.

    Also, if Toni's called back goal was legit, it changes the entire game. How many times does Italy concede a tie or defeat after they go ahead?

    Ultimately, the refs do matter and it is unfortunate that their impact on a game's outcome is huge.
     
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  6. Boomer

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    I think to assume that a ref like Howard Webb who has refereed FA Cup Finals and CL Semi Finals would have an agenda is nonsense. This is football, not WWE. It was a stonewall penalty and only highlights how at fault other refs are for NOT pointing to the spot. If more of them did it then it wouldn't be an issue. It was a foul anywhere outside the box and it was a foul inside it, first minute or last. You cann't grab hold of someone and pull them out of the line of the ball and down to the ground, whether the player is looking at the ref or not. Webb had already stopped the free kick once to warn defenders about pushing and shoving.

    I mean seriously, are you really trying to tell me that Howard Webb would give a penalty in the last minute to the Austrians to placate UEFA? I'm sure he'd happily go along with that.

    Nonsense. No way, no how.
     
  7. Boomer

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    Yep - young kid, but massive potential. Very much in the Theo Walcott vein. Not as quick, but more skillful and better on the ball.
     
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  8. first&goal

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    Bro, I'm not telling you that you are wrong.....just that Italy at this moment do not play like should.
    I agree that Romania is not a bad team, but I never thought that we were not able to win pretty big against them, despite the ref, we all know that the PK was not there and Toni goal was good, but we should be better then this.
     
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  9. Boomer

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    I think it's hilarious when people roll out the "woe is me, it's a fix line". Italy are defending World Champions. Where's the conspiracy there. They're an old team who have had 180 minutes of Euro 2008 to prove that they're actually, at the moment, not a very good team. That's no fault of the referee.
     
  10. Boomer

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    I wasn't justifying RVN's goal, I was telling you what the law states. The law is an ***, but it's still a law. I didn't see the disallowed goal, but most games have controversial decisions.

    Regardless of what you say, the Austrian penalty was a stone waller. It would have been disgraceful not to give it.
     
  11. giovafin

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    Bro, I'm sorry you couldn't watch the game, you can see both goals here, (not the Gigi save though)
    http://www.1000goals.com/italy-vs-romania-highlights-euro-08
    :up:
    The thing that bothers me is the only italian goal in the tournament came from a defender (Panucci)
     
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  12. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    You neglected to respond to the specific points in my post.

    Yes or No: The goal was legit by Luca Toni at the end of the first half?

    And if you claim that Spain had no right to play the fix card at the 2002 world cup, then you're sadly mistaken. That game was robbed from the Spaniards for sole reason that Korea was home during that game and they were pushing them into the Semi finals.

    And I'm not making excuses at all. Italy played awful in the first game. I won't cry for that goal by RVN because in no way shape or form did they deserve to win. Italy is a different defense without Cannavaro and haven't played as they have in the past 2 years, but make no mistake about it, they had a perfectly legit goal dissallowed today, and they had a questionable penalty called against them. In this game, in a tournament like this, 2 horrible calls like that can make or break ANY team in ANY game against ANY team. And in a 6 game tournament, 1 bad decision by a ref, one mistake by a defender (zambrotta), and off you go.
     
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  13. Eop05

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    NJ
    I apologize as I thought you were referring to Romania's PK call.
     
  14. alen1

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    Interesting. I wonder if he will play with the first team from the beginning. I believe he's seventeen. I was also going to ask you about Samir Nasri. Did we lock him up or nothing yet? I have been waiting for news and still have yet to hear. The latest I had heard was that he came in for a physical which he passed and signed a 4 year deal but then some other stuff came out about him looking at other clubs.
     
  15. finattic79

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    I think they were right to award the PK to Mutu's. It was clear that he was dragged down from behind. As for Toni's goal they was about as botched of a call you can get. You see the sideline ref is in the perfect spot to make that call, how he got it wrong is beyound me. Great play by both goalies though. At least Italy is still alive to make the quarters, abliet they need help now.

    Romania win and they are through. A Romania loss and Italy win puts them through. And French win and Romania loss put the French through. The one thing is they will know for sure is France and Italy will know before they match if they have any chance of going through.
     
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  16. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    I'll bet my life that Romania beats Holland, and why wouldn't Holland play them soft to "let" Romania win.

    Imagine if you're those 2 teams and you have the chance to knock the 2 world cup finalists out just by skewing the result in Romania's favor. Hell, if I was those teams, I'd do it.
     
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  17. Tone_E

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    I can't wait until England gets $#@%#d by a call. Then I will listen for your tune.

    Toni WAS onside, I just saw it. Pathetic.

    But hey, lets not put this one on the referee, lets blame a lack luster Italian squad. No wonder they are deflated, no matter what they do, they cant seem to beat the refs.
     
  18. alen1

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    O this may get ugly boys ........
     
  19. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Noooooooooo, that ish doesn't happen.

    Oh wait, didn't Denmark and Sweeden need a 2-2 result to knock out Italy during last Euros? That was the ONLY score that could do it too. What was the final score of that game again?

    I still see the "Goodbye Italy" banners in the stands.

    That is why I am also worried about ROM vs NETH.
     
  20. finattic79

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    Can Holland really play them soft with so much talent on the bench as well? It will still be a tough match for win outright, and a draw is no go for them unless the French-Italian game ends in a draw as well.
     
  21. Tone_E

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    Talent is useless without a will to win. :wink2:

    We'll see what happens.
     
  22. Pink_dove

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    Hear hear with the collective issues at centre-half apart from Portugal. Never thought in a million years Pepe was THAT strong. Silky on the ball, strong in the air, and has that air of serenity and control back there. I count him and Joao Moutinho (who was gold against Turkey, less so earlier this week) as revelations for me to date. Portugal does lack that top striker as you pointed out, with Nuno Gomes having completed a whopping 3 passes in the last game. They're just ignoring him. Big Phil might as well give Helder Postiga a shot. Or throw a sardine in the ring.

    Bacary should absolutely be there. As should Gael. Bigwigs such as Coupet and Sagnol were doing more spinning than Fox News after the Romania game about how having allowed no goals in the last five games, was a positive sign. I even had a good friend of mine tell me yesterday that France was up there with Portugal as a top defense. Ha. I haven't seen the game yet, but four goals allowed, with TWO holding midfielders in the starting eleven, is ludicrous, even against a pants on fire squad like Holland. Just laughable.
     
  23. Boomer

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    As I said, I didn't see the Toni goal, so I can't comment. No one plays any fix cards becasue games aren't fixed. How can you get 11 people in on a fix? You can't. You play for the country to win, not to be fixed. Bribing referees may happen in Serie A, but Italy is such a corrupt nation anyway - no offence intended but it's true - it's certainly not going to happen at the world cup.

    Cannavaro Schmanavaro.....Holland is without Ryan Babel, France is without Patrick Vieira.....decisions go against teams in every game. Poland's goal was offside last night.....I don't hear the Austrians crying about a fix.
     
  24. first&goal

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    Agree with you, will be a tied at best or Holland will let Romania to win.
     
  25. first&goal

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    I tought Italy today played a little better, just a little, but I can see that this team is getting better and if we can beat France and Holland can beat Romania, which I think will not happen cause Holland got no interest to this point of winning, well Italy will be a player in the future.
     
  26. Boomer

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    I think it's very unlikely he plays first team football unless it's the Carling Cup. He wasn't even playing first team football at Cardiff.

    Nothing's happened with Nasri yet.
     
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  27. Boomer

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    But it's happened in the past to England and will doubtless happen in the future. That's part of football. When you're relying on split second decisions, you have to accept that human error will happen.

    Keep on blaming the referees.
     
  28. Boomer

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    I would think Holland will rest players as they're quite within their rights to do. The way the draw is set up this year, it will be beneficial to see Italy and France go out.
     
  29. Pink_dove

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    Happy for you Uni. :up:

    Thought the Germans showed up minus their legs or usual conviction. Either they started reading the mellifluous Das Bild too much after the first game, or Low just had an acid trip, which would explain why he decided not to start Schweinsteiger down the flank. They're a much more deliberate side with him, as demonstrated in the second half. I'm not sure I would want Podolski in the hole behind Klose either. He played too deep, but that might've been because he wasn't shown enough ball early on. And I wonder on what tree Borowski is perched. He would've helped yesterday, as Ballack and Frings were poor.

    Nevertheless, Croatia got stuck in and showed more spirit. I thought Modric looked clever, and restricts himself well to one touches, while Kranjcar is less disciplined, but beautiful moving forward with the ball at his feet, the tireless Olic, could be a gnat in Split, and provides plenty movement up front, Kovacs acts as a bullwark in the middle of that defense, and Corluka was surprising down the right side.

    I would hope, as a fan of the game, Croatia face Turkey in the quarters. While Croatia is technically superior, they both have a blue collar, hard nose approach you have to love. So much that you could almost convince Don King to have Servet v. Kovacs as an undercard after the Euro.
     
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  30. Eop05

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    If you didn't see the Toni Goal then don't comment on the complaints and the "poor us" attitude you claim we have. It was a clear goal that was nullified and deserves all the complaints it gets. As I said, One call like that can make or break ANY team against ANY team in a tournament like this

    And you're gonna sit there and tell me that the refs didn't help out South Korea in the 2002 World Cup QFs? I didn't say 11 people had to be in on it. ONE referee needs to be in on it and he was in order to help the home country advance to the semfinals. You think it's just coincidence that South Korea advanced to the semifinals of world cup when they were home? Clearly you're mistaken. Please go back and watch the highlights of that Spain Korea game.

    And with the corruption in Italy statements? Your hatred for Italy and true colors are really starting to show. The more biased comments you make against Italy the more I take your thoughts and comments with a grain of salt. Your opinions towards Italy are clearly not objective.

    And what's wrong with me stating that Italy isn't the same team without Cannavaro. You think they get beat 3-0 with Fabio there? Heck No. But does it say a lot about a team that loses one guy and falters, Yes, they're not THAT great this time around. I NEVER denied that.

    And are you seriously stating that you don't hear Austrians calling for the fix?

    1. I called the Spain Korea game a fix Not Italy Romania.
    2. I stated that the calls went against Italy today.
    3. How many Austrian Soccer fans are a) around b) passionate about soccer c) you know if there country had as many enthusiastic followers as Italy, then you'd hear a helluva lot, especially if there were Austrians around these forums.
    4. I'm not defending Italy or their players in any way. I'm not stating that they're better than anyone. I'm simply calling it like I see it, and the calls definetely went against them today. Not just any calls.....CRUCIAL calls.
     
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  31. Eop05

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    And let me ask you a serious question: When Italy advanced past Australia in 2006, did you believe and justify the penalty call on Grosso? Because if I recall correctly, the whole world thought Australia got screwed on that PK call and came out harshly against Italy.

    And Honestly and objectively, Italy got a little fortunate with that penalty. I can surely admit that. Again, I call it as I see it.
     
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  32. first&goal

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    ITALY WILL GO FOWARD IF:

    1 Beat France and Holland over Romania Holland 9 Italy 4
    2 Beat France and Holland tied with Romania Holland 7 Italy 4
    3 Tied with goal against France and Holland over Romania Holland 9 Italy2
    4 Tied with French and Romania loose by 3 goals Holland 9 Italy 2 By Uefa Rule.
     
  33. phunwin

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    I must be missing something: wouldn't France be in the exact same position as Italy in the last two scenarios?
     
  34. phunwin

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    And by the way, Italy DID get boned today. Toni's goal should have counted. I'm not sure that justifies the "world is against the Azzuri" line we're getting here, though. UEFA is rigging things to help out Romania? Really? Does that seriously make sense to anyone? The refs blew it, but I flatly refuse to believe it's some sort of anti-Italian conspiracy on their part. They just blew it. It happens. Italy can help remedy this by going out and laying waste to France.

    Incidentally, if everyone played like the Netherlands, soccer would be a whole lot more popular in the United States. Boy, that's a fun team to watch. And they're far and away the class of the field so far. Good God, they just played the last World Cup finalists back to back, and each game was about as even as a bug vs. windshield matchup.
     
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  35. alen1

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    I agree. Holland is very fun to watch.
     
  36. unifiedtheory

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    Great post Pinky!

    Modric was quite good after a subpar outing in the opener. The club has some heart without doubt. Something about putting on the checkerboard that gets them going.

    I love Olic, I just wish he had some sort of finish.
     
  37. first&goal

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    In the scenario 3 Italy needs to score one goal more then France.
    " 4 is just a Uefa rule, which I did read it, but is kind of confusing, sorry.
     
  38. quelonio

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    i thought you where into "technical" football (as in boring defensive one...)
     
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    Adebayor has agreed terms with Milan, now it's a question of 40 million euros. Arsenal Togolese forward has agreed terms with the Rossoneri, leaving the ball in Berlusconi court.
     
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  40. Tone_E

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    Milan already offered $35M.
     
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