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Phins announce signing of Lance Louis via Team Twitter

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  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I'm merely saying the chocolate rabbits' ears will have a better chance of surviving a couple of 5 yr olds then mr Bunny would have in a dark room with John Jerry
     
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  2. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Well John Jerry will be forced to earn his spot this year. Lance Louis is a better option then the Artis Hicks signing of last year. If Louis is healthy he's an upgrade especially in an offense that's built on getting rid of the ball quickly unlike Chicago.
     
  3. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Slauson hit Cushing in the same place as Lyons hit Stephenson back in the day. Lyons tried to say later it wasn't intentional, but it sure looked like it was to me.
     
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  4. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I STILL hate that cheap shot and cheap shop artist for that.
     
  5. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    waiting on #'s... bye bye Incognito?
     
  6. Ohio Fanatic

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    Liking this signing. could be very good insurance if/when Jerry comes back a 390. Or maybe JJ gets motivated and cuts his weight down. Either way, we could come out a winner here.
     
  7. RoninFin4

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    Toss up for me. Incognito played pretty well after that 2nd Jets game. He was pretty bad before it, and isn't really that athletic. That being said, you could argue he was the best lineman on the team after Mike Pouncey last year. Does Miami really want castrate their O-line that way?

    I would say though, that Incognito probably shouldn't be in the long-term plans. But short term? Eesh.
     
  8. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    He's a RG. This is more bye bye Jerry in the end if he's healthy.
     
  9. Ohio Fanatic

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    Also wondering if Samuda will make any progress this offseason. It would be nice for a change if our guards actually became a strength of the team rather than a weakness
     
  10. PhinsRDbest

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    Maybe somebody else can confirm, but I thought I read somewhere that they kinda switched blocking schemes away from zone blocking to help prevent Tannehill from getting killed.
     
  11. Gunner

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    Yeah they went to a "get rid of the ball before Martin can get run over again" scheme
     
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  12. RoninFin4

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    Pretty sure they did.
     
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  13. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Actually they did it because Long/Jerry and Incognito aren't really zone guys. Hence why Incognitos play went up.
     
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  14. Perfectville_USA

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    One year deal to prove himself, I will trust Ireland & Co. on this signing. Does anyone know if the Bear's ran a ZBS last year?
     
  15. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    first thought was an OL player from da bears..ouch
     
  16. Alex13

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    they run a zone scheme, FWIW, i can't find the link anymore but I read from one chicago beat writer that he feels that Louis best position is LG
     
  17. Alex13

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  18. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Wow, they seem really bummed about it.
     
  19. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    Never trusted hand held times from pro days. Can be up to .5 second off sometimes. Same like " unofficial " time the NFL network puts up on 40 times. Thats their hand held guy. The electronic 40 is always .4 or more slower then the hand held time shows.
     
  20. surferosa

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  21. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    I wonder if there is any interest in Antoine Caldwell or Ryan Harris. Both have background in ZBS as well as Eric Winston.
     
  22. Perfectville_USA

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    interesting comments from the Bears forum.
     
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  23. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    When Joe Philbin was the OL coach at Iowa, they were well known for recruiting high school tight ends and turning them into offensive linemen. Robert Gallery, Eric Steinbach, Bruce Nelson....all were high school tight ends that were converted in college. He's a big believer in having athletic offensive linemen that can block on the second level.
     
  24. PhinsRDbest

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    Eric Winston comes to mind as a FA that came out of high school as a tight end. In the draft can only think of Tanner Hawkinson.
     
  25. gilv13

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    Not sure which one you were reading, but here is a link to one for others to browse if they wish. I don't think there was an instance of anyone saying "Good Riddance" and all the feedback indicates we got a good player at hopefully a good cost.

    http://www.dabears.com/chicago_bears/46961-lance_louis_signs_dolphins.html
     
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  26. rafael

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    Wow, that Bears forum was a bit surprising. Usually you see fans react with either a good riddance or a doom and gloom over all of FA. In this case it seems like the response was measured and yet disappointed. Many called him the biggest loss or the only loss they were upset about. Nearly all of them said he was good. I haven't watched him, so I can't comment intelligently on his ability, but it's encouraging how much he was liked in Chicago.
     
  27. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    It wouldn't surprise me to Levine Toilolo from Stanford drafted as an offensive tackle developmental guy.
     
  28. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    4 out of 5 starters new on the Bears line.

    And here we get in a tizzy over Martin at LT. Lol.
     
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  29. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    During the East-West Shrine All-Star game, Devin Taylor tossed him around like a rag doll.
     
  30. mommabilly

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    If this kid is healed and ready to go,John Jerry will get his bus ticket out of town before the final roster is made up. We have 5 pre season games this year also so they can give him a little extra time to heal up if needed. I like this kid. I have never heard of a guy tearing the SAME acl twice, has anyone heard of that ? I would put a spear in the Dr. who did the work. They usually take a fresh ACL now from a cadaver.
     
  31. ckparrothead

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    Watched his best game and his worst game according to PFF. Some notes.

    Key Positive Traits:
    1. Quick hands. Especially off the snap. Gets a good punch. Connects and times them well. I think his hands are quick enough that coaches probably compliment him on them regularly. Very confident in his punch in zone protection. Quick to get in his punch and then disengage leaving the defensive tackle to the center to block while he gets all the way out to the edge to double team the edge rusher.
    2. Crafty. Quick trigger when he notices something, adjusting on the fly very well. Observant. For example, he sees a defensive lineman get his hands up in the air to try and knock down a pass, he sees it, assumes his QB is trying to get the ball through that passing lane, and reacts by cutting the DL's legs. Powers of observation and quick reactions also show up on pulling plays as he has to identify on the run who to block and what leverage he needs to attack the player. Craftiness also shows up in zone protections. Will box players out in order to impede them, at need.
    3. Nasty. Not at all satisfied being passive or filling assignments. If he notices an opportunity to bury a defender, especially ones being blocked by teammates, he seizes it. A lot of knockdown blocks. Almost could even accuse him of being dirty.
    4. Mobility. This is obvious, predictable given his pure triangle numbers. They bear out on film. He can do things other players can't. Not just pulling. Some of the things he can do to help out the right tackle on obvious pass downs are uncommon.
    5. Anchor. Haven't really seen an anchor problem in the two full games of coaches tape I've watched. Not saying it can't exist but if he can go two games without being hurt that way I think it's safe to say he's got adequate anchor. Combination of hands and the lower body strength that gives him speed probably help. If you can sit your *** down and anchor against J.J. Watt, absorbing his onslaught and then when his momentum stops countering forward and knocking him on his butt, you've got anchor ability.

    Key Negative Traits:
    1. Strength. When push comes to shove he's not got overwhelming size or strength to get a lot of movement off the ball. He's basically just pestering defensive linemen into submission, using his hands and getting their leverage working against them whenever possible, and that doesn't always work. Nor does it always create room for the ball carrier.
    2. Consistency. Hand placement off the snap isn't always correct and if he misses he can be beaten off the snap at the line of scrimmage. Saw it happen against B.J. Raji as well as J.J. Watt. Sometimes on the move he doesn't find ways to help the block develop quickly enough. It may be that his old tight end (ball carrier) instincts kick in where he's looking to find the hole and squirt through it, rather than doing the dirty work to pave the hole.
    3. Sustaining blocks. This probably derives from his lack of pure strength and size. He's not necessarily able to control players or put them off balance, and because he lacks strength his feet may go dead as he tries to dig them out. This all makes him easier for defenders to shed and get to the ball carrier.


    Conclusions

    1. He's a classic finesse/complementary blocker. Pulls and traps were his forte in Chicago. He's great as a guy to help with double teams. He uses his quick hands and craftiness to get the job done in one on one, and to bury defenders in two on one. Just don't really expect him to dig too many defensive linemen out of the hole. Even in two on one, he's not great at it.

    2. He should enjoy a change of scenery, and not just for schematic reasons. I don't know much about Tim Holt who was the Bucs' assistant offensive line coach before being hired to be the offensive line coach in Chicago in 2012 as Mike Tice was promoted to offensive coordinator, but the Bears' run blocking looked like a half-congealed blobulous mess of bodies with no purpose or training. I hate to be harsh but it was shameful. In some ways, Lance Louis was part of that. In other ways, his talents were hindered by it. He should enjoy being coached by Jim Turner, and I'm not even one who is sipping the Kool-Aid on Turner yet. The fact that fans and some pundits consider him the best offensive lineman the Bears have really says it all for me, and I don't mean that necessarily as a credit to Lance Louis.

    3. Schematically, he seems classically molded for a zone scheme whereas the Bears didn't seem to take advantage of those skills very much...for various reasons.
     
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  32. slickj101

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    And that's with Cutler getting smacked around yearly.
     
  33. ckparrothead

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    They needed a reboot. From ground-up. That line was a mess.
     
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    I like 1 2 and 3, especially number 3, nasty. Nasty on the Oline is goooood. That IMO is one of Jerrys biggest faults. zero nasty but a lot of passive. JMO.
     
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    Chicagos Oline has been a mess even when Kruetz was still playing. I remember watching Orlando Pace attempting toplay the game of football again, that was sad.
     
  36. ckparrothead

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    It's a nice trait to have. It's not an end-all/be-all. You'd rather have powerful than just nasty. Nasty means a lot of cheap shots, knocking guys to the ground when they're being blocked by others, hustling to blind side a guy, etc. Not necessarily illegal stuff, but just general things that show you that this guy is doing whatever he can. Thing is, probably like 7 times out of 10 the stuff a guy does that makes you think he's "nasty" has no effect on the play.
     
  37. mommabilly

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    Nothing is an end-all/be-all talent wise. Its a combination of a lot of skills, mental ability and talent. I would rather have a guy that is in the heads of a defense before the game even starts. That does not happen when an Olineman is passive. I am not confusing passive with " quiet ' either. IMO, Jerry is passive. You have some players that yes, are talented Olineman but you could stick a bat up one of their team mates rear ends on the field and they would still have a deer in the headlights type of stare on them. Good hands and being crafty with Nasty is a good start. Jerry may move some people because of his girth but he certainly is not in the category as crafty nor nasty.

    I honestly believe when these players report to OTAs in a few weeks if Jerry is more then 350 the staff is going to blow their tops. I do not think our new HC is going to put up with it anymore if its clear to him the GM would replace him if possible. What kind of self control/respect/motivation does a player have when its made know he is to be 330 lbs and reports to OTAs about 50 lbs overweight and its the first year of a new coaching staff. Then its explained to him what is expected and he still shows up for camp at around 365 and when camp is over weighs 360. Jerry should light candles that Artic Hicks had a troubling neck injury. If not, Hicks would have been the starting RG in 2012 and Jerry probably would have had splinters in his rear end all season from the bench.

    I am telling you, this staff is making it a point that Jerry shapes up, wakes up or he gets his ticket punched. I know a lot of people think fondly of him here but there is not going to be any forgiveness in the staff, weight wise, on John Jerry this year. As I said about a month ago, from what I am told the kid is the size of a house or was, at that time, the size of a house. We will see in a few weeks.
     
  38. VManis

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    I always thought so as well, but I heard Dwight on the radio and he didn't consider it to be a dirty shot. He and Lyons were Alambama teammates and are actually good freinds.
     
  39. Da 'Fins

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    Not like Lyons on Stephenson, either, huh ....

    (anytime a player gets hurt on an INT return that's the only thing I can think about; one of the most harmful injuries in team history - really hurt the entire franchise for years to come and crushing to Dwight).
     
  40. Da 'Fins

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    I see now, reading on further, others picked up on the obvious "Lyons/Stephenson" reference. ...

    What concerns me is the timing for Louis. Will he really be ready to compete for a starting job (let alone a spot on the team) by the end of July in training camp? I realize ACLs improve faster than in the past, but it's only been 3 months since his surgery according to the Herald and when TC starts in July, that will only have been 7 months. Hard to imagine he'll be at full strength then. Some guys require 9 months+ to recover.

    While not a risky signing (would have been better if it were a two year deal it seems, to get the best out of him the following year); certainly seems a risk if we are depending on him to be a strong competitor to start.
     

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