Only one major hole left at OT, and one upgrade 'hole' at DE. 5 picks in the top 100. We can begin to consider luxury picks, more so than we could before free agency. If we sign Winston it gets even better. Here's what is now more in play than before free agency: - Tavon Austin - A situational rush end - A running back can even enter the discussion at this point, for round two or three. What other 'luxury' picks are now more justifiable in your opinion?
I agree, and have been saying all along that Austin is exactly that. I very nice luxury pick. I think we still need to consider Corner a top priority even with the Grimes grab. That being said, we have lots of picks to fill less and less holes. I could see us going after a certain Notre Dame linebacker if he was still there at our first 2nd rounder.....but he won't be.
True Kenny (it is Kenny, right?) I think you also can more strongly entertain a player like Alec Ogletree, or even Chance Warmack or Cooper if they want. Much more flexibility now. I think Jarvis Jones has the most immediate impact, if healthy. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Yes Barry, it is Barry isn't it? It is Kenny. Another thing this might do, if still available early 2nd, or even late 1st, is entice us to move up and grab Eiffert if he is there. Jarvis Jones is a very interesting idea. I don't see us going there at 12...but, you never know. I think, since we have less absolute needs, we also have better opportunity to move back......if the right OT isn't there, and perhaps, just maybe if Austin is also not there. I REALLY like the idea of 6 or 7 picks within the top 100, especially with this years draft. That is how Billicheat has been playing it for several years, and it's advantages for several reasons. The higher the pick, the higher his financial demands will be as well. I would prefer to pass back the 12 and pick up an additional 2nd as well as a late 1st myself.
Not sure we're quite a good enough team to really be in 'luxury pick' territory yet, that said if we sign a tackle (most likely Winston) we have no major holes on the team although a lot of positions that could still do with upgrading. This is a great position to be in coming into a draft as it gives you flexibility, if you like Austin you can take him and trade Bess, you like Lane Johnson you can move up and get him, to me these aren't luxuries because the players are so good, they're simply picks that make the team better. A luxury would be a pick like A.J. Jenkins last year by the 49ers or someone like Ansah who isn't going to make much of an impact this year (if ever). To me luxury picks are best reserved for the later rounds and are usually on prospects with character issues (Honey Badger?), athletic prospects who need substantial coaching (Terron Armstead) or gimmick players such as wildcat QBs
Love the idea of moving back a few spots and getting another second. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
May I call you Kenneth for short? If so, may I ask, what's the frequency? [video=youtube;jWkMhCLkVOg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWkMhCLkVOg[/video]
I think Ireland will be going into this draft with the 2014 Dolphins in mind, also. Soliai, Starks, Jones, Misi, Incognito, Jerry are all free agents, along with Lance Louis, Dustin Keller and Brent Grimes on 1-year prove it contracts. With that in mind, I expect us to address guard at some point, probably 2 corners, DT and a LB.
I would add a pass rush specialist to help Cam Wake out, but I agree with your lust. I honestly think Trufant HAS to be a possible target at 12, and I could personally live with that pick. Saw quite a bit of him this last season, and kid is gonna be a solid corner.
Yeah, I think we add a DE quite early. I'd be ecstatic with someone like Cornelius Washington or Malliciah Goodman, I love that guy. I really like Trufant too, if we stay at 12 then he's definitely an option.
But I would say that Baltimore made it over the top only b/c they got enough plays from Flacco, Rice and Boldin. The difference makers is what put them over the top. And arguably even if Baltimore had resigned everybody, they'd still be considered an under-dog to return compared to SF. How few playmakers they had made their margin for error smaller.
How many games have we won since last season Hawking? 4 years of sub .500 mediocrity. We have an active off-season, and you are checking off W's already? Like an Eagle fan after signing Nmandi? Odrick's and Misi's have been our legacy Francis, our norm. While passing on difference makers, or even guys who can simply last on our roster past their rookie deal...or until it expires. Nah, you don't look like a football Hawking. The Ravens and the Niners have some of the best players in the NFL at several positions. And guys they drafted in the front 7... Kruger, Ngata, Suggs, Lewis...yeah ok. Odrick's and Misi's don't see the field on a team like the Ravens. Ask Mt.Cody.
Yawn. If you're right we didn't improve at all. Everything we've done so far will make no difference following your logic. Think about that. Don't react to it. Really think about it. Put effort into it. Wallace, Keller, Grimes, Ellerbe, Gibson, will have zero effect. Tannehill, Martin and Philbin having been through a year, means nothing. Nada. Zip. We are still the same team in your eyes. Draft hasn't even happened yet and we have 11 picks....but nothing's changed. Same old, same old.
You sound like a Cowboy fan, a star gazer, who gets a heaping dish of SuperBowl hopes and mediocre realities served up year in and year out. You are actually saying we are no longer mediocre. You are stating as a fact we are now not a mediocre team. We are a 10 win team or better? We are not even in April yet. I can't even talk to you about this, the deusch chills are too much. Sue me, I wanna play a couple games first and see how we gel. Or or or, maybe practice a couple times at the least. Just like I want to see the finished uniform, before I judge the logo. Make sure you start the next post with a "sigh", you used the yawn on this one.
Until we play a down in the 2013 regular season, we are the team that closed last season losing 28 to zip and finished 7-9. We won't be better until we're winning. Anything else is hope/assumption.
You're wasting your time Seth. I've already had this "conversation" with him. He can obviously see the future..........
We've improved our team. Why even be a fan if you're about moderating enthusiasm? I'm not claiming we're winning the Super Bowl. This is the same whiny crap you pulled last offseason. I said we we're going to be 8-8, you acted like I was predicting a perfect season and a Super Bowl win. Of course we haven't played a game yet, but we've made enough moves that its more ridiculous to say they are the same then we are not the same team.
I just don't understand the drive some people have to temper other people's enthusiasm. I get being skeptical. I even get being down right pessimistic. But willfully trying to drag others down to that dark and ugly place makes no sense to me. Like you said, we're both right, because we haven't played a game yet, but at this exact point and time we are a better team....why crap on that effort?
Well, it's the glass have full or half empty thing, a bit. But it's also about faith versus empiricism.. sometimes we want to see eveidence before we choose to believe. I once heard a saying I liked: Pessimism is the failure of past optimisms. I think we've all been optimistic before and felt a bit disappointed. Some of us have a higher threshold of proof before we'll commit to optimism again, I suppose. In terms of whether we are better or not... we cannot know the result yet, but we do have to operate under certain assumptions in order to make draft decisions. For example, Wallace may wash out with us, but we cannot assume that at this point and draft three receivers in the first and second. We kind of have to assume he will be mostly as advertised, allowing some leeway that there is risk he won't be, and maybe get another guy as insurance... Your debate with Seth really strikes to the core of this thread... in order to feel we are now able to have flexibility with our picks, maybe even taking a 'luxury' pick in the first five picks, then you'd have to be willing to have faith that the moves we have made are good moves with a good chance of working out. If we doubt that premise, then it follows that we don;t know enough about our holes or talent to know who to draft. The issue there is, where to draw the line. I mean, we really don;t even know for fact that Rashad Jones will perform well at Safety this year until he has already done it... but does that mean we enter the draft targeting a Safety to replace him in case he plays poorly? I think you have to operate under some confidence in your assumptions and projections for players, whether they are returning to your team or joining your team. In my opinion, we need an OT (could still sign Winston), could definitely use a rush DE and another CB, though neither are make-or-break acquisitions. Beyond that, it's gravy and upgrades at spots from decent players to higher ceiling guys (e.g. Cyprien overtaking Clemons, Austin overtaking Bess, Schwenke or Winters competing with Jerry, Carradine replacing Odrick, Lemonier replacing Vernon, etc)
While I get what youre saying I dont understand why he doesnt have a right to want to see on field results before jumping to the conclusion that just because we added players we have automatically improved. Injuries, scheduling, chemistry still have to be established and avoided (in the case of injuries). I cant help but think being the offseason champions means a damn thing til I see it in the win column. And I think thats what Seth is getting at.
I think it depends on your mindset. I tend to look at things from a scout's POV. I anticipate how players and teams will develop. I actually don't see much value in waiting to make assessments. There's a level of certainty in waiting until after the fact, but not value. I don't see much value in coming on here and saying, "that Marino was a pretty good quarterback". IMO that's an obvious statement. I much prefer conversation about how the team is being built. It doesn't have to be positive. One poster may like or not like the team's direction. I'll assess their opinion based on my observations and what they say. But if a poster says "I'll wait and see it on the field", to me that says nothing. I wonder why they even chimed in just to add nothing.
Yes, but even with all these new toys...we need Tannehill to get better. He will be the difference in our team and Ireland's career.
Absolutely. RT is the key. My point was that I'm not going to waste anybody's time saying that I'm not saying anything until after he does or does not develop.
I agree and thats not what I was getting at. What I was getting at is that one poster has a wait and see attitude and the other is approaching it like being offseason champs = improvement by default and its not always that simple. there are other factors. I think what Seth is saying and I dont want to put words in his keyboard, is that he wants to see the results on the field before saying we can afford a luxury pick. And personally, I cant blame him or anyone else for wanting to see the cycle of mediocrity broken before patting backs.
Anyone who thinks like that shouldn't be on a discussion forum. Ofcourse we will talk about all the players on the team? I'm late to the party, did someone suggest we shouldn't?
Gotta side with the Ireland crew, if you can't be confident in your acquisitions and your plan you can't be in the buisness. For example the Dolphins drafting a C. Patterson at 12 because they are not sure about Wallace would be counterproductive. They should draft based on their confidence at each position.
I think the part I'm not making clear is that I don't care if someone is pessimistic or even just cautious...its the desire to intently argue for other people to be as miserable that i don't understand. If person X is miserable that's fine, but why try to make person Y feel as miserable?
We improved our team in the only ways we can see right now....and we did in ways that many people, Seth included, have said we weren't able to in the past. At this point in time, it is perfectly reasonable to be optimistic and hopeful. Also, let's be honest, the wait and see approach is only because of disappointment from teams past, not because of the specific moves we've made so far. There's a lot of hope to be found in what we did last year and this offseason so far and I refuse to think the cumulative failure of Shula, JJ, Wanny, Saban, Cam, Sparano & Parcells is reason to put a damper on what we're witnessing now. This is a different team, with different systems and goals and approaches. Even the only real holdover, Ireland, is doing things completely different. This offseason should be judged on its own merit and not punished for years past.
I didn't get that it was about patting backs. One poster said he felt we improved. The other poster said he would wait to say whether or not we improved until it was obvious that we had or had not improved. What's the point of even saying that other than to tell the first poster that he shouldn't feel we have improved?
The order isn't what matters. The question is why did you say you would wait to say whether or not we improved until it was obvious that we had or had not improved? You're not providing any reasoning. You're not providing anything other than the opinion that he shouldn't feel that way. Was there some other reason for your post?
