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Ryan Tannehill disrespects Tom Brady

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Jt0323, Apr 3, 2013.

  1. Hiruma78

    Hiruma78 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    just my 2 cents:

    - I don't see what is so unbelievable in thinking that EVEN Tom Brady could have some limits in his games, some part (like throwing deep) that are not his strongest suits; even Brady got weaknesses (and I am not saying that he cannot throw deep, I am not that knowledgeable, it is just that the possibility is not so shoking to me)

    - I don't see a big problem in saying that Brady could have been a back-up in some other situation: I think that it is true for almost every QB in history, with few exceptions; I don't think this is a big knock on a player, it is just the nature of a very complex game and a very complex role; I think a case could be made to think that Montana, in a Not-West Coast offense, could have had a very very different career and I don't think that is a way to say that Montana sucked or that he has not been the GOAT QB or negating the he won 4 SuperBowl playing like a god etc etc; I mean, think about Steve Young, how good he was and even then he had to have the right situation to develop?
    saying that you need the right situation, IMO, it is not a big knock on a player neither is a way to negate his greatness, it is just a consideration about the important of chemistry, right type of offense, patience, etc etc;

    - I read (in some patrios forum) that their fans connected the "obsession" with avoiding INT with the not-so-great deep throws results (Brady, if in doubt, overthrows a lot, because avoiding a turnover is the first priority): if true this could change the context of the discussion (not so much a weakness, but a choice)



    - I think that Dan Marino was one of the expcetion, one of those player that were so freaking blessed by nature, that he would have been a starter whenever he went: he got some natural talent, things you can't always learn (amazing vision, pocket presence, out of the world release, toughness, cluchtness) that is impossible, for me, to think of any team that could bench him in his prime;
    this is not a way to say that Marino, at the end of the day/career, was better of Brady or Montana or PincoPallo, but in my mind his natural talent/feel for the role makes (almost, of course) sure that he would have been a star, no matter the team, the offense, the age;

    I mean, think about: what other QB had the kind of monster sucess from the START? that, in my eyes, is the prove that his natural talent were just out of the world, this is a guy that, from the first moment he stepped on a NFL field, was dominating/changin the passing game: usually the 2nd year QB had a Sophomore slump, because adjustments and all....not with Dan.,..... his vision+precision+velocity (all skills he had from the first day) were just too much for almost every defense (think about how historically great was the 49ers '84 defense...and he was in just his second year......in the 85 he had a down year...just 30 td...but the '86 was still good...44: well, the defensive adjustment were not so good...than the whole team went down the crapper for 3-4 years)
    and his decline in production was more a reflection of worsening team that not his play (when we put a decent - not great team around him in the first 90 we won play off games, we were one game from the super bowl, etc etc);

    you could make a case that Marino did not improve enough in his career (like a Brady or a Manning), refining his game, but I think that it is difficult to deny that he would have been successfull in any team, period.

    - I don't think that Tom Brady is a great QB under pressure: I think is good, but not special (and we are talknig about an era when you can hit the QB only in some spot etc etc); and yeah, when I think special, in the pocket, I think about Dan-the Matador-Marino, how freaking elusive was in the task, how quickly he re-set to throw, how deadly precise... for me that is still the Standard


    - I think that many of us forget how average (being kind) many dolphins teams were when we had Marino: consider the Olivadotti defense, consider that long list of pathetic RBs (and I know that some think is Marino's fault that super stud like Kirby, Higgs, Aaron Craver, Parmalee, Irving Spikes, Humphrey, Sammie Smith, Mark Logan, Hampton couldn't run for s**t); he was the only reason we were on the map (I exagerate, of course, we had good wr, good oline, hall of fame coach, but the point still stands, IMO)

    in conclusion, I think Brady has some weaknesses, like everybody else, but that doesn't mean much: he still is one fo the greatest and the evolving nature of his career (at first more game manager, then yards machine) makes me respect him even more, but I don't understand the outrage in thinking that some aspect of his game is not history-worthy

    well, sorry for the rant and for the sucky sucky English
     
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  2. Limbo

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    The fact that you responded this way is indicative of how bad a job you're doing in this defense, and how poor of a discussion/debate poster you are. I could care less who, between the two most insane statistical seasons, had the better one (for the record, since you brought it up, Brady threw 2 more TDs, 9 fewer ints, and had a higher comp% by 4; Marino had him only in yards by 200).

    The point is whether overall stats matter to you. You have failed to give your criteria for determining your top QBs. Brady had one of the best stat seasons ever, which is something I would guess you value since you claim to not care much about winning. So what is your criteria?

    (Oh and on Bradshaw, his stats were decent while getting hit a lot, and they won in large part because of some of the best defenses ever. Does that make Jay Cutler a top QB when he was getting annihlated and putting up Bradshaw-like numbers? In 15 games, he threw 23 TDs while taking 52 sacks - seems to fit your logic.)
     
  3. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Without getting too deep into this discussion, since it won't make a difference in W-L this season for our Fins, I think the one thing that stats don't bring out is what I call the 'shoulder' factor. Anyone who watch the fins during Marino's heydey knew one thing that even Brady can't say....He CARRIED that team literally on his shoulders, willed their teams to wins...there are a few QBs who've done that in history...Marino, Unitas, Favre, Elway, Starr, Manning, Staubach...perhaps a few others... There are the other great ones, Brady, Montana, Aikman, etc that won as much because the team around them were great as that they made the difference... I'm sure I've left a guy or two out in both categories, but it's just that sometimes, stats just don't tell the whole story on a player's impact.

    JMHO, but stats simply don't tell you the whole story on Marino...
     
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  4. unifiedtheory

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    I am wondering...why am I attempting to justify myself to some noob.

    - You have posted about 50 times in this thread, using your PFF subscription to tell us all how too watch football. I've dropped in a half dozen times to read your thoughts and laugh. We can keep going round and round all day if you want but remind me who is spending too much time on the internet.

    - Indeed, I have internet friends. Many of them are here since I've been a member here (and at the old place) for 10 years. This is what happens when you use civil discourse. I did not become a relatively well respected member of this community by walking in and telling everyone they are wrong and I am right. I also have a wife, a job and a massive circle of "real" friends.

    - Proven facts in who's eyes? Statistics lie. Statistics can be twisted into anything. I WATCH the sport. If you actually WATCH the sport and don't think Tom Brady is any good then you are truly a fool. There is playing "Devil's advocate" and then there is playing troll.
     
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  5. Ozzy

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    Total BS man. He is excellent at midrange passes. I've seen them since he came into the league. I could care less how you're reading into a stat site.

    Just like you tried to tell me his pass in overtime was barely 40 yards and that you could do that.....lmao.
     
  6. Ozzy

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    You can bet your last buck they used to say the same things about Marino.

    Things like I hate him and want him crushed but I also hate playing him twice a year....
     
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  7. Justright

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    How I'm reading a stat line? Brady is way down the list of comp% on throws over 9 yards. There is no other way to read it. And after 20 yards he's not the worst in the league, but he's in the bottom half.

    Brady can't throw the ball well downfield and he wilts under pressure. There is no denying that unless, like unified admitted, you deny facts and refuse to allow your opinion to change even when confronted with proof.

    as for the pass in OT, that's how I remember it. You've not shown anything to prove my memory wrong. Again, and like I said before, you may be right, but its not how I remember it.
     
  8. Pariah

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    Somebody needs to contact EVERY football program in the world IMMEDIATELY!!!

    *BREAKING NEWS*

    They are wasting incredible amounts of time and money watching film...

    The ONLY way to judge players is through stats and numbers. That is the ONLY form of fact and proof about a player's performance.
     
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  9. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    No, he's not way down in the league. My proof is what my eyes have seen. Under pressure he is EXCELLENT. It's when he gets the snot knocked out of him a couple of times that he tends to throw off target. Under pressure and getting hit hard are two different things. He is very good at sliding up into a pocket.
     
  10. Justright

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    The fact that you're 41 yrs old and use words like "noob" and also think that just because someone is new to an Internet forum means their opinions are less than yours is very telling as to your character and mental maturity.
     
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  11. Fin-Omenal

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    12 pages on this topic. :pity:

    Draft can't get here soon enough.
     
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  12. Ozzy

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    Yeah missing 6 passes on one drive while completing 3 that still ends up with a TD is no indicator at all.

    Those 6 passes were just off target without a defender in the area I guess..

    Even though flawed, the passer rating is a better indicator
     
  13. Justright

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    His completion percentage on throws over 9 yards is worse than the top half of the league. If you consider that good, so be it.

    also, when he is under pressure (not only getting hit) his performance changes for the worse dramatically.

    You're seeing what you want to see because the numbers prove your eyes wrong.
     
  14. Fin-Omenal

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    Honestly bro, you may very well have some valid points. But it's obvious this is going in circles.

    Are you a Heat fan? If not, come on over to the NBA thread...those guys are fun to annoy. :up:
     
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  15. Justright

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    With some things they are. When Brady's completion rate for passes over 20 yards is in the bottom half of the league it proves something. And not that he is a good down the field passer.
     
  16. Justright

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    His passer rating is also bad on those throws.
     
  17. Justright

    Justright Banned

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    You're right. I'm done. Lol
     
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  18. ChrisKo

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    Wait a sec, you're alive? :up:
     
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  19. Drowning

    Drowning ONCE MORE UNTO THE BREACH

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    I hate Brady. I'm using the word hate here. Tanne shouldn't be commenting on what the man had for lunch, let alone his practice habits. Why say ne thing at all? What is wrong with u twitter, Facebook, "I'm at 7-11 getting a slushy" update idiots? I'm not trying to offend anyone but if you're offended, point made. Blown out of proportion or not, shut da f@k up. Win, and have Mrs. Brady for lunch. Then, I'm witcha. Until that day...
     
  20. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Agreed. Listen, we all know Tom Brady is a first ballot HOFer, and he's a great QB. But the act of some on this forum who get their panties in a bunch whenever anybody questions anything about Tom Brady is so ****ing old. I remember I took a ton of **** for picking on his pony tail a couple years back. I don't care if he had won 20 superbowls, he deserves to be ridiculed as the MVP of one of our division rivals. Those that don't get that aren't enjoying one of the funner aspects of being a fan, IMHO.

    Oh yeah...and Marino is still twice the ****ing QB Brady every was or every will be.
     
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  21. unifiedtheory

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    You are a noob, that word can be used universally. I don't think your opinion is a lesser opinion because you are new, everyone is new at some point. I think your opinion is a lesser opinion because you are taking a fluid sport and breaking it down to cold hard statistics. That has nothing to do with being a noob, it has everything to do with my opinion. I don't even pay attention too statistics. I watch the games, usually 2-3 times (when it is the Dolphins). I trust what they tell me.

    As for my "character and mental maturity", you do not know me. I'd love too comment further but I'm of the opinion that you are a troll and I'm not falling for the bait.

    Enjoy your stay here, hopefully you begin to develop a rapport with the members instead of telling us all how we should watch the sport. Walking into a room with no track record and telling everyone in that room they are wrong is not the best start.
     
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  22. djphinfan

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    Lol,For the last 15 years I did all the time bro, one of my favorite cities, some new ventures and oppurtunities is now keeping me from traveling 200 days a year, but when I get back up there, I'll let you know for sure..I'll buy..
     
  23. djphinfan

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    I think it's of questionable character and immaturity to not be able to communicate and respect within the context of a new situation..
     
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  24. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If your wear some skinny jeans I will assess your glutes for ya..then will proceed to get hammered and laugh about that thread in the lounge forum that depicts our friends on the board to a face that reminds us of them...

    Like what you did to me by posting Ben stillers personal trainer character in dodgeball...###hole..lol
     
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  25. Justright

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    feel better?
     

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