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  1. Jt0323

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    Yeah terrible buildups. Jericho and fandango was created last week crying out loud. I mean I guess they started it 3 weeks ago. Taker/punk I thought was alright but promos were not the best. I did like last nights angle. People who thought it were tasteless should not complain about the attitude era. The rock cena story was dreadful. It was plain boring and stale. The feud has been going on for 3 years and its been pretty much the same ****. Only matcha I'm looking forward to is taker/punk, hhh Lesnar and actually y2j fandango, interested what happens. And also the end of jack swagger/del rio to see if Ziggler cash in. I can see them winning tag titles and him winning whc.


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  2. Section126

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    Uh...the Intercontinental title will be defended in a pre-show match.

    So let me get this straight.

    I give you $70.

    You give me WM. So far so good.

    But you will not show me every match?

    oh....kay.
     
  3. Samphin

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    Not the first time this has happened to the IC belt. I also think that this will be the last Wrestlemania build that is clunky and bad. HHH will be fully entrenched by the start of 2014 and I fully expect him to right the ship. This year's build was in a definite transitional phase.

    They just hired a new head writer, Vince is still involved as HHH takes more and more over. The perceived need to crowbar some Attitude era guys onto the card in lieu of the current guys and more have led to a disjointed mess.

    It's very possible that next year we won't see The Rock, HHH, Undertaker, Chris Jericho, Kane, or Brock Lesnar on the card. Which means the younger guys are going to be relied on to carry the show. Which means they will need time to build them up and connect with the audience. A year from now, the landscape will look very, very different.
     
  4. Ray Finkle

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    I'm not offened that they used Paul Bearer in the storyline, I'm offended that they have a million writers and that's the best storyline they can come up with. It's just pure crap and it's something that wasn't even exciting when it first happened in 1995 with stealing the urn. CM Punk is sleep walking through this feud and just wants to get the match over with so he can take a vacation and rest up.

    And by you (and really everyone else) being more excited for the end of the Swagger/ADR match just to see if Ziggler cashes in the MiTB match really should tell you all you need to know about the Swagger/ADR feud.

    For all the things to complain about in terms of what the WWE has been doing lately, complaining that the Miz/Barrett match won't be during the actually PPV would be at the bottom of my list. I'd much rather give more time to other matches than trying to squeeze in an extra match or two just to get people on the card. But it might just be me since a Miz/Barrett match just doesn't interest me in the slightest. It just smells of a RAW worthy type match, and doesn't have a big time feel that matches at WM should have. especially for titles.

    By the way if anyone is keeping score at home the tag team of Albert and Clay have a WM match and yet the US Champion (someone that could have an actual big future in the promotion) does not. I get that they need to have a few bathroom break/comedy matches to break up the big matches but it just feels wrong on so many levels.
     
  5. Ray Finkle

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    I will say a lot of us, especially me, have been really critical of the WWE but the way they have booked The Shield has been nothing short of great. They make them out to be big deals and thus the fans BELIEVE they are. They have them show up once or twice a show and when they do it's made out to be a big deal. Which is why if/when Dolph Ziggler wins the World title his reign will most likely be a disaster because he's been made to look like a goof and jobber since he won the MiTB. It's possible he could be Daniel Bryan'ed and the fans will just cheer the hell out of him because they respect his talent and want him to do well but that's a big long shot.
     
  6. Jt0323

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    being WM 30 i find that highly unlikely. Kane still has 3 years left at least, but I would be shocked if The Rock, HHH, Taker, Kane, and Lesnar are not at 30. I think it could be Takers last match. Didn't Lesnar sign a deal for another year? regardless, they will pay him the money to stay to 30. HHH will be involved in some fashion. I would be surprised if hes not in a Match. Y2J is the only guy I wouldn't be surprise not seeing, if hes off doing a tour or something, but I think there is a good possibility that all of them will be on the card baring injury of course.
     
  7. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah Brock did sign another 1 year deal back in Jan or Feb. Brock/Rock is already rumored to be penciled in right now as is Undertaker/Cena (Undertaker has only wrestled Cena once back in 2003 I believe) so that match for "the streak" would be a pretty big draw. I'd be shocked if guys like The Rock (unless the Rock can't get time off from filming), Brock and Undertaker aren't in the WM card. And of course there's always the Austin/Punk "dream" match if Austin's body can handle another match.

    As long as Vince is around and those "Attitude" guys are under contract they will be on the card.
     
  8. Jt0323

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    I too hope for Punk/Austin. Austin not getting any younger, if he is up for it it would be a dream match to see! Which would mean from WM 29-WM 30 punk will still be heel, which is needed!
     
  9. Ray Finkle

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    I actually don't want to see a Punk/Austin match simply because I can't see how it would be any good.
     
  10. Ray Finkle

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    WM Predictions:

    Cena over The Rock
    Undertaker over CM Punk
    Lesnar over Triple H (I think Lesnar is going over so it won't be a "predictable" card, plus then Triple H can have his farewell moment at a WM in NY)
    Del Rio over Swagger (with Dolph cashing in and winning WHC)
    Ryback over Henry
    The Shield over 3 Superheroes (with Orton turning on his team to turn heel)
    Hell No over Ziggler/Big E
    Dancing Fools over Rhodes/Sandow
    Miz over Barrett
    Jericho over Fandango

    Did I miss any other matches? But yeah that's what I think will happen.

    EDIT: I will say a lot of my predictions depends on match line up. If the WHC match happens before the Tag title match I don't think Ziggler will case in.
     
  11. Section126

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    Michael Cole is absolute ****.
     
  12. SICK

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    Taker punk was best match. HHH/Lesnar was god awful. Terrible pacing. Missed spots. Slow.

    Rock/cena was ok. Not WM main event worthy. The countering finishers got old. And the finish was a bit of a let down after all the commotion prior.

    All in all, decent show. Seemed like RAW to me.....with a pretty set.
     
  13. Fin-Omenal

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    Taker win?
     
  14. Samphin

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    Very unimaginative Wm if you ask me. No title changes other than the predictable one (screw the IC change) and they buried Lesnar.

    Not sure why you job Ryback out but whatever. Not the worst show ever, but pretty bland with the major stories being the very definition of formulaic. I'd be upset if I paid to be at that show.

    They really need to get back to working backwards with these shows. Choose your main eventers now for next year and start working back to tomorrow ( that hurt my head ).

    If I am WWE, that means Cena, Punk, Bryan, Ziggler, Lesnar and Ryback. Novelty acts like Rock, Undertaker, Jericho, HHH, and Austin should be required to let it be known if they are going to be available or not so that you can plan accordingly.

    Figure out your tag division and secondary titles and what the plan for those are. Personally, I aim for a unification match of the IC-US titles and make an effort to have dedicated super tag teams (a combo of Sheamus and Barrett with Regal managing as a semi- permanent team, along with Rhodes Scholars, Funky Monsters, The Shield and a few others).

    Just put a plan together and change when and where necessary. Don't wait like you did this year and get stuck with a boring show.
     
  15. Section126

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    He has 6 to go to catch the heat.
     
  16. Ray Finkle

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    I didn't see the PPV but from all accounts the show was a bit of a mess, especially with the match line ups.

    I must say I am shocked Ryback lost, that's 5 PPV losses in a row (not counting the Rumble). And him getting his "revenge" on Henry with the shellshock after was pretty pointless. If Ryback is going to hit that move why not make that the finish instead or extend the feud so when Ryback finally hits it it's memorable.

    Also must be a great feeling for Triple H to get that win back, now he can brag to HBK and Flair how he survives the "career" match at WM and they didn't. Still don't understand that finish, makes zero sense. But hey now the WWE can say they're better than UFC right? For someone that has a good mind for the business, he still lets his ego get into the way a lot of the time.

    But yeah WM30 is likely going to be Rock/Brock and Cena/Undertaker.

    Should be interesting to see where storylines go now. I'd guess that Cena or Del Rio will move onto a program with Mark Henry. I think it's time for The Shield to win the tag titles, maybe have a feud between Big Show, Orton and Sheamus. I'd bet we don't see CM Punk for awhile as he takes time off.
     
  17. Samphin

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    In a interview prior to this WM, Undertaker pretty much admitted that this is has lat go 'round unless he can have Brock next year. So while I think the smart money is on what you outlined above, it wouldn't surprise me if Taker decides to pull rank and call his own shot against Brock. The scary part? I could see them running a rubber match of Cena-Rock if that happened. Ugh.
     
  18. Big E

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    HHH / Brock match reminded me a lot of when Nash picked himself to be the man to End Goldberg's streak,
     
  19. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah I've heard Undertaker telling people in interviews he wants Brock. I think a Rock/Brock would be a better match but I wouldn't mind seeing one more Taker/Brock match since their matches in 2002 were pretty damn good. Of course I wonder if Brock could carry Taker to a good match now.

    And please god no to Cena/Rock 3 but I could absolutely see the WWE running it again, especially if WM pulls in a huge buyrate.

    My only issue with any combination of Rock, Cena, Triple H, Undertaker, Brock match is that its great for that 1 show and cool to see but it does nothing to help the product moving forward since only Cena is a full timer and it's not like he needs the rub. The WWE would be better off using those guys to put over new talent to help get them over and shoot them to that superstar level. Case in point next week on RAW only Cena will be around. The WWE is simply using those big name past stars to sell 1 show.
     
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  20. Jt0323

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    WM was terrible last night. Only matched I was entertained was the Punk Match. There is a rumor now that the Rock has walked out on the WWE, as they were about to set up a Rock/Brock feud for WM 30. I find this interesting because there seems to be a curse of Brock Lesnar if its true. Austin walked out on the WWE right before he was going to face Lesnar and now the Rock may too. Apparently he was pissed after last nights WM match vs Cena. If he did leave then its funny how he called out Austin when he walked out. Nothing is ever done for the fans, its always done for the money
     
  21. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah just about to post this. Should be interesting to see what they do with RAW tonight.
     
  22. Samphin

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    Sounds like those walk out rumors are false and there is an injury concern, although no one can tell me what the injury is or the severity so perhaps it's a cover up. I can't imagine that this is a mix up or miscommunication since The Rock has been advertised for quite some time. He has to be aware of the plans for and around him.

    Ironically enough, this makes me more interested in tonight than anything they had planned. I won't happen but it wouldn't e the first time that a performer pissed Vince off to a degree of burying him on live television. Vince seems too smart for that and too old to pick fights at this point...but still.

    Maybe this is the catalyst to get Brock to Undertaker instead. Punk can call UT out, UT answers and is attacked by Heyman's other charge, getting his arm broken and giving Lesnar a much needed boost as a monster. THE monster that put an end to Taker for good. Voila...Wrestlemania 30 nw has a marquee matchup and you spend the rest of the next year letting Brock murder people dead and having Heyman repeat in every promo, about it.
     
  23. Samphin

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    Maybe on some level...except that Brock has pretty much been booked to lose since he came back. Unlike Goldberg who was undefeated for over a year. Also, Goldberg's streak was ready to be ended and was booked in a way that Goldberg had an excuse (cattle prodded by Hall). Goldberg had literally ripped through the entire WCW roster at that point (and Glacier about 50 times) so really, Nash was the last viable option to end it.

    I am beginning to think that this is Vince's pettiness shining through. The funny part is that if that I true, he is paying MILLIONS of dollars to prove a non-existent point.
     
  24. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah the more I think about it it think it's a work or just false information (but I could be completely wrong). I mean why would Rock walk out on the WWE? He has the company by the balls, getting paid millions of bucks to work limited dates, has creative control and basically calls his own shots and knew he was losing to Cena since last year.

    I don't think Vince will bury The Rock because The Rock brings in tons of money for him and extra media buzz. The WWE needs The Rock more than The Rock needs them.
     
  25. Jt0323

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    I agree, and if the Rock really means he came back for the fans, this is a bad way to show it.

    Edit:
    I dont want to see any "He came back for the money post" I get it, money played a big role, but its not like he needed it. He is doing pretty well off
     
  26. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah, the issue wasn't ending Goldberg's streak, the issue was how they booked him once it was over. Which is what worries me about Ryback now and why I was so shocked he lost last night.

    And of course Vince is petty. Why else would you pay Brock millions of dollars to have him job in his first match back? He wanted to "prove" that his guy top WWE guy (Cena) could beat a UFC fighter. Hell I'm shocked the WM29 match between Triple H and Lesnar wasn't in an octagon and fought under UFC rules. And not only is Vince paying millions to make himself happy he's losing even more money by it.
     
  27. Ray Finkle

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    No I do think he missed being in the ring a bit. I don't think it was all about the money.
     
  28. Samphin

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    Oh I think the information about him missing Raw is very accurate, I just don't believe he report about him being upset and walking out. Something else is going on. I had to be.
     
  29. Samphin

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    John Cena's wort shirt...by a mile.

    The heel turn line was pretty good though.
     
  30. Jt0323

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    so Taker, Kane, Bryan vs Shield at ER? Would be interesting if it happens, first taker match not at WM in a while. Would be cool too see. Personally I would like to see taker one more run for taker through WM, even if he only wrestles main PPV or in tag matches
     
  31. Jt0323

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    Ziggler should have won the title last night, not tonight. Makes no sense not to cash in on the biggest stage of them all, especially for someone like Ziggler
     
  32. Jt0323

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    Looks like the Bleacher Creatures are at Raw tonight, doing a old fashion roll call. Feel like they are at yankee stadium. Randy Orton/Shemaus match is so bad that the crowd chants for cole!
     
  33. Jt0323

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    now they are doing a wave! this is epic!

    Edit: they are singing Fandangoo theme! Greatest crowd ever! Makes me happy as a new yorker, yes raw is in Jersey but a lot of them are new yorkers too! This crowd is making watching raw fun! great stuff
     
  34. Samphin

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    Best Raw...maybe ever. I am not even joking. This crowd is insane. From the relevant chants, to the Yankees roll call chants, to the Randy Savage and Cotton Candy chants...just insane.

    And they are correcting their mistakes from last night with Barrett winning it back and Ziggler getting his title. I was thinking about it though, I think Miz might be undefeated at WM, technically so him winning last night keeps that in tact.

    I got no problem with Ziggler winning the night after WM. The crowd was better for it tonight. And WWE has done a great job of re-setting and starting new storylines. Perhaps their boring WM was truly their season ended like yesterday-year. This makes two post WM Raw's that have been incredible.
     
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    Humming Fandango's theme...wow. It's like every drunken frat party ever.
     
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  36. Jt0323

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    I agree, this was the greatest Raw I have seen since the Attitude era. Had nothing to do with the story lines or the matches, all crowd. They were amazing! They need more crowds like this! made up for No Rock, No Brock, No HHH. Loved it!
     
  37. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah great crowd, even better than the Miami crowd the night after last year's WM.

    I think the smart money is still on Rock/Brock at WM30. If they were going to switch things up he probably would have attacked The Undertaker tonight. Long shot is Brock attacks Punk next week sending Punk on a mini vacation.

    Agreed with Ziggler, him winning at WM would have been a much bigger moment and more meaningful. Hopefully he's given a nice run and his legs don't get cut out from under him.

    Regarding The Miz title win, I think it was just to try and get a few more people to order the show with a baby face winning the title. And Miz isn't undefeated at WM if you want to count the preshow where him and Morrison lost to the Colons.

    I thought the Ryback "turn" was well done, I was worried they would have nothing for him but good to see he's back in the title match picture. I bet they run a 3 way at ER first though. An yes Cena's new shirt is beyond awful.

    I also love how they continue to push The Shield as a big deal and it looks like they should be winning the tag titles soon. I would be shocked if Taker wrestles at ER though, He should be saving as many bullets as he can although he wouldn't have to do much in a 6 man tag.
     
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