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Rank the players you want at 12

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by sports24/7, Apr 7, 2013.

  1. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    I'd be surprised if we dont trade up for a certain OU tackle. In a perfect world, we stay at 12 and take Austin, then trade back into the latter parts of round 1 for Trufant. The rest of the draft is gravy after that,
     
  2. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    As I said, it depends on how they feel about Martin, Odrick, and Randall moving forward. Perhaps they feel they've already drafted replacements.
     
  3. Larry Little

    Larry Little Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm late to the party, but...

    my wants...

    CB Milliner (trade up)
    WR Austin
    TE Eifert
    OT Johnson
    DE Ansah
    CB Rhodes
    OG Cooper
    FS Vaccaro
    -Trade down-

    how I think the Phins see it...

    CB Milliner (trade up)
    OT Johnson
    CB Rhodes
    OG Cooper
    DE Ansah
    FS Vaccaro
    TE Eifert (Trade down OR trade back into 1st from 2nd)
    WR Austin (Trade down)

    Who I think they take...

    CB Rhodes
     
  4. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    GREAT prospect. Not getting a lot of buzz for some reason. I hope he is around for 2b
     
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  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Tyler Eifert is the best tight end prospect since Gronkowski and Graham..

    Watching some games on some other players who play against Notre dame..what a freak red zone threat this guy is, the vert, combined with the extension, combined with how eloquently he can contort his body, is unstoppable..this player is worth a top 15 pick all day long..could be Better than Jason Witten.
     
  6. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    This is a tough question for me...because inevitably you have to look at what you're able to do in the draft as a whole.

    Would the Dolphins get a legitimate shot at a good corner if they passed on Xavier Rhodes and D.J. Hayden at 12?

    It NOW appears that D.J. Hayden won't even reliably make it to 42. You're not going to get Desmond Trufant at 42, and I doubt he really is on a level with Rhodes/Hayden anyway. Jamar Taylor could be gone, and that's if you like him in the first place and there are definitely passive elements in his game that make me uncomfortable. Darius Slay and B.W. Webb I like a lot as DEVELOPMENTAL players, but they're a lot more rough around the edges than the Milliner/Rhodes/Hayden group. Robert Alford is not meant for this system. Unlike Xavier Rhodes, he plays the shutdown man style because he doesn't know any better. I think Sanders Commings is most comfortable playing that way. David Amerson played zone and got torched to cinders in the zone. Jordan Poyer and Johnthan Banks are like the epitome of zone technicians but that's in part because they're so athletically limited they can't play any different. They've HAD to become technicians in zone coverage. Brent Grimes is already athletically limited, and Richard Marshall gets beat deep everywhere he goes. Do we really want a whole unit of athletically limited guys? I guess what I'm saying is beyond 12 I could see us getting solid corners that contribute, but not good ones. Not ones that you can isolate and say, this guy's better than this other group of 10 corners that are hitting the free agent market this year.

    At DE, even though I adore Tank Carradine and Bjoern Werner, I could see guys like Cornelius Washington and Devin Taylor becoming very good. I could see Alex Okafor going from college where he dominated as a pass rusher, to the NFL via the 2nd round, where he dominates as a pass rusher and everyone just ends up thinking cripes how'd we get that one wrong? I could see Corey Lemonier or Quanterus Smith shocking the hell out of people with how good they actually are at the next level.

    Essentially if we're looking at WR, TE, CB, OT and DE at 12...I feel like I can get a significant tight end later (Travis Kelce, Vance McDonald, Joseph Fauria), I feel like I can get a significant wide receiver later (Stedman Bailey, Markus Wheaton, Mark Harrison, Marquise Goodwin, Marquess Wilson), I feel like I can get a significant pass rusher later (Devin Taylor, Alex Okafor, Cornelius Washington, Corey Lemonier), and I can even get a starting tackle later (Terron Armstead, Menelik Watson, Xavier Nixon, Brennan Williams, Reid Fragel).

    But am I getting a starting corner if I pass at 12?
     
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  7. dWreck

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    I wasn't really too thrilled with the concept of CB @12 but I hadn't really taken a look at it from this exact perspective. Interesting.
     
  8. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    We've sniffed around Poyer some, depends what you think about his fit CK. But I think it's safe to say he'll be available for at least 2a.


    MAYBE you could make the same argument about safety.
     
  9. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    If we miss on CBs in the 1st 2-3 rounds I'd start looking at Brandon McGee and Sanders Commings. Cornelious Washington remains an enigma to me, I hope for his sake that his lack of production can be blamed on coaching and how he was used in the defensive schemes. Devin Taylor is very much on my radar.
     
  10. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    The fit with Poyer would be fine. He fits like a glove if you're running pure zone and nothing else. So does Johnthan Banks.

    But there's a difference between fit and TALENT. Do those guys have the TALENT to be good corners in the NFL? And since when are the Dolphins wanting to be a pure zone team, anyway? I'd personally hate to be handcuffed by having a corners unit consist of zone-only players that need to be protected deep, as Brent Grimes, Richard Marshall, and Jordan Poyer/Johnthan Banks would. If you're going to have all ketchup-ketchup-ketchup then you'd better make sure that A) You have damn good safeties, and B) You have a mike linebacker that can get depth and cover the middle of the field.
     
  11. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    He's not all that enigmatic if you just watch the way he played and succeeded during the Senior Bowl, and the way he was drowned at Georgia. First off he actually did get lots of pressure at Georgia if not necessarily sacks. Second, man they just used him all wrong. Perfect example of fitting the player to the system instead of the other way around. But they had Jarvis Jones and a bunch of other players that play well in the system they did play, so they just lived with it.
     
  12. surferosa

    surferosa Balance and Vision

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    Dont forget Logan Ryan. He will also be in play in the second round.
     
  13. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    I tried to make sense of what he was doing on film, saw some good things but far too often I also saw him look pretty clueless and unproductive. I just didn't see the production or what I thought to be good instincts. At the same time, I saw him inexplicably played at NT on passing downs and stunting out of that, a head scratcher imo as to what the coaching staff was thinking, maybe they used him wrong and confused the heck out of him, I don't know.

    He has a heck of a lot of athletic ability and he did look good at the SB, but I was truly disappointed by what I saw on film. Boom or bust player imo. Btw that Georgia defense had a scary amount of talent from top to bottom, good players from DT to CB.
     
  14. Hurricane

    Hurricane Guest

    I'll just do a top 15 big board....invariably, 4 of them will be there.


     
  15. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Not productive, I get. But clueless? I'm not too sure that's what I saw. I dunno. Maybe in some ways. I just saw a guy that had a lot of responsibilities thrown at him, a lot of different techniques, and it slowed him down. He's a 4.5 guy that had to play like a 4.8 guy because of the way they asked him to play.
     

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