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Official WWE/TNA Wrestling Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by alen1, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. Section126

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    You beat me to this.

    It was great. THAT CROWD!

    Loved that they hummed the fandango theme, because I do the same.

    I enjoyed the Miz/Barrett match, namely because I feel that the IC belt should have some clout and have it change hands in the first Raw of the WWE year, gives it some. Now defend it once a month on Raw for ****s sake.

    Ziggler cashing was great. Great way they set it up too.

    Cena as champ won't be so bad. I seem to gain interest when I hate the current champ. I am sure there are many fans like me that root against faces that are "actually" heels.

    As for WM30...

    Why wouldn't they set up a Rock vs. Taker? Makes too much sense. That way you will actually have a large contingent of fans that would want the streak to go.
     
  2. Big E

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    Rocks latest Facebook status:

     
  3. Ray Finkle

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    Rock/Taker has been done way too many times in the past and for whatever reasons the matches have been very boring. They just don't have chemistry together. Plus The Rock basically gets to hand pick his opponents now and he's friends with Brock and that's who he wants to wrestle.
     
  4. Ray Finkle

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    I will say without the crowd RAW would have been very "eh". The crowd is what made RAW fun as none of the matches were that good and the crowd really couldn't give a crap about them. Which shows you how out of touch with the fans and product the WWE is right now. I truly hope over towns take note of how the NY, Miami, Philly and Chicago crowds are because it really evaluates the product. It's just too bad that besides Ziggler winning the title they weren't given a match they really wanted to see.
     
  5. Ray Finkle

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    At least based on the Twitter buzz, the WWE could turn Fandango into a pretty big star if they book him right. People are actually warming up to his character off of last night's crowd. I really hope singing his song during his matches becomes a thing for awhile.

    Here's hoping that Triple H doesn't interupt him in his next match and bury him right?
     
  6. Jt0323

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    Fandango must be the most hated man on the Roster for the likes of Kofi, Ryder and other mid carders who was left off the PPV
     
  7. Silverphin

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    Kofi and Ryder's been getting the shaft so many times it's a wonder they're still there.
     
  8. Samphin

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    Speaking of Kofi, was he born with a pec muscle or something? His chest looks weird. Jericho's too for that matter.
     
  9. Ray Finkle

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    I think the ship has sailed for Kofi, he is what he is now. He kind of had his one shot and Orton helped screw it up for him. He'll probably always have a job with the WWE because he stays out of trouble, is a pretty good worker, and the fans still like him. Ryder absolutely got screwed over by all the back stage politics but at least he makes a decent paycheck with all the merchandise they sell.
     
  10. Silverphin

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    Cena sells merch, can't even get up from his seat without risking being put in an angle involving the top belts. Ryder sells merch.... can't even get a decent US Title run.
     
  11. Ray Finkle

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    That's because the WWE created and made Cena who he is. Ryder made himself and got people to buy into him and cheer for him and because of that the WWE basically told the fans "we are the ones that will tell you who to like and dislike". They may have flushed millions of dollars down the toilet. I'm by no means saying Ryder could have been the next Cena or future superstar but you'd think the WWE would try to at least find out. If he fails he fails no harm or foul. I still can't believe how they just killed his push for no reason, then again maybe I shouldn't be too surprised after all.

    EDIT: I do find it a bit funny that the WWE pushed Jack Swagger instead of Zack Ryder and still after years and years of the WWE trying everything in their power, including giving him a monster push for a WHC match at WM even when he got into legal trouble, the fans have zero interest in Swagger and frankly don't care about him in the least bit. But that's the WWE for you in a nut shell.
     
  12. Section126

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    The wrestling purist is an interesting animal. (not saying anybody here qualifies for one).

    A) They hate The Rock and are insulted that a lot of people like him..because you know..a lot of people are stupid, or something.
    B) That obscure guy with athleticism, but no charisma is a put upon plebeian, that deserves respect.
    C) If a guy can't go 3 hours and execute 45 finishing move reversals...he can't wrestle and is a bum.
    D) Vince McMahon is essentially our overlord, since we are fans of his product..but god damn..he's incompetent, and I SHOULD BE in charge.


    You know..sometimes..we like for The Rock to run out there...mention "roody poo"...dance back and forth and hit you with an elbow and watch you die.

    Sometimes..we like to hear some guy that looks like a heroine junkie preach the virtues of straight edge, while picking up some guy in sketchers dressed in fluorescent t-shirts and ballcap, drop him gently onto his knee while he slaps his back and he...dies.

    Call us simple. I am fine with it

    (rant brought on by "with leather's" Best and WORST of WM29)
     
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  13. Ray Finkle

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    Wrestling fans are definitely hard to please. They love "Wrestler A" one day and a week later can't stand him and never want to see him again. Actually if you think about it, wrestling (besides from the obvious) is really no different than rooting for a pro sports team. And as you know, we all "think" we can do a better job building a team instead of the current owner/GM/manager.
     
  14. Samphin

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    I used to consider myself more of wrestling purist, until I got into the business and perspective changed to that from behind the curtain.

    I remember we had these two guys called " The Snotts." Their gimmicks were that of nerds. Came out to Whip It by Devo, glasses, suspenders, etc. They always curtain jerked and almost always lost. Yet they were on every show and probably had more requests for pictures and autographs than anyone that wasn't a former WWE employee.

    And they couldn't wrestle themselves out of a paper bag, but "purists" in the crowd thought they were great because they could do flips. I mean they would spend five minutes of a match getting their leg hammered on, only to jump up, bust a big *** flip (thus killing any psychology of working the leg) and the crowd would go nuts.

    Anyway, I entered a shoot tournament once (hybrid of MMA and amateur wrestling where strikes are illegal but chokes and submissions are legal). Having a decent amateur wrestling background, I figured it would be a fun thing to do. Coincidentally enough, who was my first round opponent? One of the Snotts.

    I shut him out on points over three rounds and pretty much took pleasure in making him look like a tool (I went on to win the next round before losing in the semis to the eventual overall winner). Word got back to the wrestling troupe we were both in and the boys let him have it since I was 18 at the time and he was in his late 20's, a grizzled vet, and just got pretzeled by me.

    Our promoter pulled me aside and congratulated me on showing him "how to wrestle," and making him look like a fool, but that dude was still going to go out in front of the crowd and perform while I still worked the back, ran security and did ring crew duties (I got announcing duties the show after as well where The Great Khali, as he is known today, hit me harder than I can even describe). I was disappointed that this horrid wrestler, with an equally horrid gimmick, was still going to be wrestling each show, while I had to take table scraps and asked why when I was clearly a better worker, wrestler and (in my opinion) had a better character? His response?

    He sells pictures, autographs and the crowd loves him and he was the perfect wrestler to open his shows with as he fired up the crowd. And you know what? The promoter was absolutely right. Which is probably why I am not as hard on WWE as I used to be. There are other factors at play than simply if a guy knows how to work in the ring or not. There is an ebb and flow to who is on the card, where they are on the card and what those people do best.

    There are plenty of reasons why Zack Ryder isn't further up than he is. Some are petty, some are very valid. Just like there are reasons why The Great Khali is still high up on the card and employed, why John Cena continues to reign on top and top athletes like Shelton Benjamin are running around in the indies as opposed to on top of the WWE.

    Brian Danielson is one of the best wrestlers in the world. Daniel Bryan, is not, at least from a purist standpoint. But Daniel Bryan entertains millions in five minutes, whereas Brian Danielson entertained dozens over the course of an hour. So which is better? That answer changes depending on the fan. But as someone who knows Danielson personally, and knows the work he put in and where he wanted to be, I will take Daniel Bryan over Brian Danielson since the former generates steady income, less wear and tear per match on his body and is in good standing with the premier company in his chosen field.
     
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  16. Ray Finkle

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    Sounds to me like someone still holds a grudge for not being allowed to be a member of the "Snott Brothers"....
     
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  17. Samphin

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    LOL! Actually, they ended up making a third member (or fourth depending on how you count as one of the originals left) and the role was offered to me. I turned it down and my friend Tim took the role. He never wrestled in the role and was more of a sidekick/managerial role. He was perfect for it, honestly. Tim was an odd dude, but hilarious.

    Come to think of it, everyone in that organization was odd.

    P.S. if you read that article, it mentions that Seymore met "Prototype" who is listed as a WWF prospect that was working for a rival fed of ours at the time. That turned out, of course, to be John Cena. And is is from this timeframe that I have not liked John, as a person.
     
  18. Section126

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    Okay...you hooked me.

    Go on.....
     
  19. Ray Finkle

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    Haha, just the name Snott Brothers (and the pictures from that article you posted) sounded like a bad Dudley Boy rip off. I figured there were probably other members.

    And yeah I caught the Prototype mention. Why don't you like Cena as a person? Any specific reasons?
     
  20. Ray Finkle

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    Yes agreed. You can't just throw that out there and not get into details. No wonder the Snotts didn't want you. (And with that I officially retired my Snott Brother jokes)
     
  21. Samphin

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    Okay, a couple of things, A: The Snott Brothers gimmick was somewhat of a Dudley's rip-off...except without the badassery. They were never supposed to be anything more than an enhancement team to other teams like the Westside Players, Ballard Brothers, etc. so yes, probably inspired by the Dudley's, but only on the surface. As for John Cena, I think I have mentioned this before in this thread, but it is long buried and is easier to just re-tell.

    I worked in Northern California for an Indie promotion, John worked for a Southern California Indie promotion at the same time. I started when I was 17 (having your mother co-sign a contact in front of the boys was enough material for them for about a year) and John was in his early to mid-20's and had just signed a developmental deal with WWE. My lead trainer had just signed, along with Christopher Daniels, with WCW (Daniels is a GREAT guy, by the way) and the group I was with had a nice history of filtering talent to the big leagues (Crash Holly, Mike Modest, Vic Grimes/Key, and eventually, Daniel Bryan and The Great Khali, as well as a number of developmental deals and women stars like Sara Del Ray and Cheerleader Melissa) as well as affiliations with former WWFers and a big tie in with the Cauliflower Alley Club (which is a big part of the business to this day).

    Our SoCal rivals, had a pretty good track record themselves and when the WWE decided to expand their minor league affiliation to the West Coast, it was between us and them as to who would officially be under the WWE umbrella as an official federation with direct ties to Stamford. Naturally when this came about, I was stoked at the possibility of having THE corporation eyeballing me at such a young age, as did all the boys.

    As it turned out, they went with the other guys and as a result, lots of money, contracts and opportunities were given (The Miz came out of there as well). While this was happenening, we also had set up a talent exchange and storyline between the two California based companies. Wrestlers would attack the other Feds' guys at shows, showcase matches and eventually a big cross-promotional, joint show was to be done in both territories to help build both brands.

    WWE pretty much nixed that when they pulled their developmental guys from the cards from the SoCal promotion. One of which, was Prototype, who even then, as a nobody, was being talked about as a future star for WWE...and he knew it.

    So backstage, wrestlers have certain traditions and signs of respect. The lower you are on the totem pole, the more you go out of your way to shake other, more established guys hands. If you don't its a sign of disrespect. Also, the more firm the handshake, the harder you are to work with. The more limpwristed the shake? Means you are a guy others can trust in the ring. If guys felt like stiffing the hell out of each other, they would shake hands, grip hard, and know that they were going to FIGHT in the ring. It's all very Clandestine and dumb...but it's the culture and I, for one, wasnt going to try and buck the system only to get my *** kicked.

    Cena however, refused to shake anyone's hands, despite not being the highest guy on the pole. Only associated with other developmental deal guys and pretty much acted like a ********. Now, I should point out that he has done a ton since then for kids and charities and genuinely seems to be a nice guy. But this was 13 years ago and he treated younger guys like myself, like dog poo. Mocking fellow indie guys who never made it big and refusing to do business the way it had been done. Maybe that was how he was taught, or maybe he hadn't been humbled yet, but it just kind of always stuck with me how he acted.

    So there is the long and short of it. Cena was a prick to me way back when.

    I am less hard on him now than others though because he is pretty much playing himself out there. A pandering kiss *** who pretends he doesn't care when he does. And they say the best gimmicks are those that are based in some reality. And he DOES try hard.
     
  22. Boik14

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    Sam, I just want to know what percentage of those guys juice? Guys like Ryback seem to genuinely seem like their cracked.
     
  23. Samphin

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    It's honestly hard to put a number on it. I haven't been backstage at a show in almost a decade (although I will be backstage at one this weekend, and if someone shows u who I hope will show up, I may even get a chance to participate with a pretty well known luchador) and it has been even longer since I have trained with any of them.

    Guys in the WWE are, for the most part, clean from any detectable steroids. It would not surprise me if they are caught up with some state of the art, designer stuff like baseball players and other pro athletes. Wrestlers tend to flock like moths to a flame to something that appears to work. They all tan like valley girls and pose in front of mirrors for ungodly amounts of time. Some of that is needed in order to get facial expressions and body expressions down with timing and style, etc., but the whole thing is still odd, even for someone who understands why the do it.

    As for the indies, my guess is that just about every muscle head has tried, or is currently on, some sort of anabolic steroid. Personally, I have walked in on wrestlers twice that were in the middle of shooting up. The bigger problem I saw in my time was the abuse of recreational drugs, prescription pills and alcohol. That's not breaking news by any means, but the amount consumed is staggering, and in my opinion, a bigger issue when combined its HGH use which was also rampant for awhile.

    Basically, whatever amount of drugs you think an individual is or was doing...double it. And no, I am not sensationalizing it. It was what it was. I don't think the indies are too much different in today's atmosphere ether. There is no reason for it to be since it isn't policed on any level other than the WWE.
     
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  25. Silverphin

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    The one with the Golden Eagle would have been nice.

    And speaking of which, John Cena's plates replaced The Rock's. You think they're going to run with that from now on?
     
  26. Jt0323

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    each superstar will have their own custom plates, instead of their name i guess they will do that to distinguish the champ.
     
  27. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah the Eagle belt was the best one, other than the one they ultimately went with. The other designs were pretty awful.
     
  28. Jt0323

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    Official TNA/WWE Wrestling Thread

    Jack Swagger and his wife came in to my work today, I work at a live music bar near boca, his wife is gorgeous. He was drinking and I made him a burger


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  29. Ray Finkle

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    I hope you cooked it without any heat, you know like his character.
     
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    That's pretty good.

    On a side note, I had a good night out with Shane Helms and Milena on Friday night.
     
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    You guys like this:

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    Over this?

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    I think the latter would have been perfect.
     
  32. Jt0323

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    I like this - the "Champ" part
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  33. Ray Finkle

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    Did you nail Milena? Apparently it's not too difficult.

    What did you all do? I've heard Helms is a pretty cool guy although sometimes on Twitter or in interviews he comes off as bitter or thinking he was way more important than he actually is (could just be the rub off as being an OMEGA boy though).
     
  34. Ray Finkle

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    Neither really but if I had to pick I'd go with the Eagle as it's a bit of old school meets new era. The other title just looks way too busy for me. Although with the Eagle belt, I don't like the sides of the belt.

    Obviously it's a matter of tastes but I hated how the spinner belt and this one say "CHAMP" on it. It's not a title for a 5 year old, write out champion. I don't know why but it always drove me crazy.
     
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    I like that second design, because it looks like a perpetual belt. If they can incorporate something that shows the previous 10 champs or so..it would be cool.
     
  36. Ray Finkle

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    Kind of like the Stanley Cup? Certainly an interesting idea, although it could get busy on the eyes and of course what happens if one of the previous champions leaves the company, you know how the WWE likes to erase the known existence of any non-employeed WWE guys.

    With the second one, besides the "champ" part, I don't think I like the side plates or the shape. I'm not a fan of the squareness of it. It looks more like a championship ring than a title belt.

    I kind of wish they just went back to the 90s verison of the WWF title but made it a bit more modern and with a name plate. Kind of mixing the 90s title with the WHC.
     
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  37. Samphin

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    No, I didn't nail Milena, although her *** is still in prime time shape. We just had a few beers and hung out. Helms and I have a lot of mutual friends so we just shot the poop.

    Ended up going to the show and sat ringside. Once Helms came out we had a lot of banter back and forth and I told him I was going to drop the "ace up my sleeve," by getting the crowd to chant 3Count. He said if I got that to happen then he would dance. Took me all of about 20 seconds before the few hundred people caught on and wham, 3count dance party from Shane. He stopped by after the match and told me I owed him a drink. I told him to bring Milena and he had a deal.

    All in all, a nice guy, as a few friends have told me, as was Milena. I didn't dare bring up Morrisson, Batista or anything else though as her thighs look like they could have easily wrapped around my neck and snapped it. Or maybe that was just wishful thinking. We just talked a little about the business, who we mutually knew and then about my kid and parted ways.
     
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  38. Samphin

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    I agree, I don't like the champ part either. It should say Champion. But comparing it to the current let, at least this one doesn't have too much of the strap showing. There is a bit more good and diamonds and all of that involved to make it look less homemade.

    The eagle design has gown on me a tad, but I just think it is overdone. Maybe if it was a centerpiece and not the entire belt?
     
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  39. Samphin

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    And a Stanley Cup idea listing previous champions is fantastic. I agree, put the last the on there and as someone wins it, the last of the ten names, comes off and is retired, much like a ring of the Cup after 11 years or whatever it is in the NHL. Retire the plate to a wall of champions or whatever and put it in a physical Hall of Fame once they do that.

    Hell of an idea if you ask me.
     
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  40. Jt0323

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    "Champ" makes it look tacky. Champion should never be shorten in a title or trophy
     

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