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Oh, Jeffrey! Will you ever learn?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Joe Robbie, Apr 11, 2013.

  1. slickj101

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  2. Joe Robbie

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    I don't mind a corner in the early rounds. Just not lineman. And i'd like to see more offensive firepower.
     
  3. Jaj

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    CB was a need going into FA. T had Jake Long resigned would not have been. Teams don't alter their entire draft plan based on one contingency scenario. I'm still convinced that Miami is looking at one of the FA RTs, specifically Winston to shore up at tackle. On the other hand CB is the position where Miami was hurt worst last year even towards the end when Long was out.
     
  4. CANDolphan

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    You want even more offensive firepower? In the form of... WR? TE?

    TE, I honestly get. We have a one year rental, and the hopes and dreams of Charles Clay/Michael Egnew. BUT on the flip side... this goes against the same argument you are making for not taking a lineman! Egnew was last year's 3rd round pick ie allocated resources towards offensive firepower, so spending a 1 or a 2 on that seems foolish, no?
     
  5. Joe Robbie

    Joe Robbie The Patriarch

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    It's not foolish if it's a good tight end. Tight ends gain yards, and can score points. I do also want another receiver.
     
  6. CANDolphan

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    You're treating the draft as if it's a sure thing here.

    And I can say that as well. It's not foolish to spend a 1/2 on a OT if it's a good tackle.
     
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  7. Joe Robbie

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    Lets spend a high pick on a kicker/punter.
     
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  8. Stitches

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    Yea because drafting a guy who plays maybe 7 snaps a game is the same as drafting a guy who you're hoping plays 30-40.
     
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  9. Larryfinfan

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    JR, we all get it....no matter what Irish takes, it won't be good enough for you because you don't like what the guy has done...

    OK...we believe you...
     
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  10. Joe Robbie

    Joe Robbie The Patriarch

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    Don't believe me, believe his record.
     
  11. CANDolphan

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    So you're sincerely telling me that Tight End is a more valuable position than an Offensive Tackle okay thanks for that opinion Joe Robbie
     
  12. MikeHoncho

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    That's ridiculous.
    ...Brandon Fields has been amazing :shifty:
     
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  13. Stringer Bell

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    What does this mean? You could apply this logic to Ireland needing to wear a bathing suit in the war-room this year.
     
  14. jdang307

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    It's not that. It's just to show the futility of our drafting record.

    What resources have been spent on WR in the past 5 years? Pat Turner? Clyde Gates? Hartline? Just like the WRs we had on our team, these are 3s, 4s and 5s.

    yes we finally used a high pick on QB, duh. Only took 5 years. Where was this strategy when Matt Ryan was sitting there. Chad Henne at 2b? Pat White? Oh man I'm giggling going through our resources at WR and QB.

    I'm not saying we shouldn't use a high pick on OL or DL. I'm making fun of the fact that we have used high resources there and have to do so again, and then we have to fill holes at skill positions through FA. It's like, what the hell are we doing here? If Miller pans out, I'll give props for that (Daniel Thomas not so much).
     
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  15. Stitches

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    Two 2nds on Brandon Marshall also.
     
  16. FanMarino

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    I'm pretty sure the Rams went overtime on his physical. Who knows. I just get the feeling Jake with his injuries is a magnet to get hurt. I may be wrong.
     
  17. GARDENHEAD

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    I disagree.
     
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  18. arsenal

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    I think a great Oline is more paramount to a great football team than skill positions...

    regardless, you need a TEAM, its not about one position or the other... i have no problem with that statement because I agree, I would love to have 5 Pouncey-talented Olinemen, and so should everyone...
     
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  19. Joe Robbie

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    Jeff Ireland has shown that he can put together a winning team. Yes, or no?
     
  20. Joe Robbie

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    Has this outdated mentality yielded any kind of success?
     
  21. LBsFinest

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    you never know with Jeffy. logic also dictated we'd address WR early in last year's draft.
     
  22. ToddPhin

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    "Who would score the football?" What an idiotic statement! Have you heard of this position called running back? Yeah, the quarterback hands him the ball and he, get this, runs with it. Crazy as it may sound, referees actually allow them to cross the goal line. I know, mind blown right. If we had an Oline full of Longs and Pounceys, our running backs would have a freakin' field day feasting on initial truck-sized holes and significant lanes scattered across the 2nd level for big gain after big gain. Heck, we'd need a three back system just to give the other two backs breathers from all the long runs. Then there's this other thing called play-action where the quarterback fakes the handoff and then drops bombs over the top of a defense that's become focused on stopping the run, and guess what- we have this guy name Mike Wallace who just so happens to be the best vertical threat in the game. Refs allow him to cross the goal line, too. And if our QB does decide to pass outside of play-action, I'm guessing he'll have no trouble finding open receivers with 10 seconds of a clean pocket to work with, and the last I checked, refs don't call penalties for linemen holding their blocks too long.

    If GregfromDelray wants to know who would score and win actual games, perhaps he should look at the 80's Redskins with the dominant Hogs up front setting the entire tone for that successful team..... or check out the 90's Cowboys dynasty.... or the recent 49ers. Shocking how many fans think the Oline is an insignificant part of the game that can be pieced together with scraps when in fact the trenches <on both sides of the ball> are the second most important part of a team after QB.
     
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  23. LBsFinest

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    well Ireland certainly agrees with you, unfortunately even with all the money and resources he's allocated to the OL it's still a mess, not only because every OL he's signed in FA outside of Incognito hasn't panned out but also because he can't find one damn quality OL outside of the 1st round
     
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  24. Stringer Bell

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    Two 2nds on Brandon Marshall.

    But how is that showing past futility exactly?

    Only took 5 years? I'm not sure how often you think they are available? If your criticism boils down to solely passing on Matt Ryan, then have it.

    It isn't really all that uncommon? Contracts expire, and you need to replace players.
     
  25. Stringer Bell

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    Which player?
     
  26. Joe Robbie

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    Is it a coincidence that you mentioned teams from the 80's and 90's in your rant?
     
  27. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    49ers went to the superbowl last season
     
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  28. LBsFinest

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    you're asking me which WR should we have drafted?
     
  29. Disgustipate

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    What evidence do you have that it's outdated?

    This idea doesn't really have any merit. It's ok to find offensive line play boring or uninspiring, but trying to legitimize the idea by turning it into a team-building philosophy is really silly to put it politely. I don't know if it is just people being intellectually lazy, or the influence of things like Madden and fantasy football affecting people, but this is not a thing that occurs in the NFL. Offensive linemen are important. The fact that you need to specifically pay attention to it to grasp that shouldn't be as big of a barrier to understanding as it is in practice.

    This ~*Play Makers*~ stuff has really gotten out of hand. It's basically gotten to the point was unless it's something that is exciting and obvious, it doesn't matter. Blocking, run defense, coverage not involving play on the ball, run plays less than 10 yards all end up getting maligned when in reality it's making up a huge portion of the success and failure of a game.
     
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  30. Joe Robbie

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    Amazing what not lacking talent at skill positions can do.
     
  31. Joe Robbie

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    Every guy on the team is important. I'm not gonna draft a punter or kicker ahead of certain other guys, tho. Lineman are important, but you get the skill guys first. If you're already set at skill positions, then by all means put a heavy emphasis on lineman.
     
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  32. ToddPhin

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    rant, truth- tomato, tamato
     
  33. ToddPhin

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    LOL if you think San Fran's offense doesn't run through their Oline first and foremost. There's a reason they spent 2 first rounders on OFFENSIVE LINE in the same draft a couple years ago after having ALREADY spent a 1st on their LT.
     
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  34. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Amazing what having good linemen allowed them to do.
     
  35. Disgustipate

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    That has by any reasonable measure been done. They have gotten the skill guys. If the Dolphins aren't on paper in a position to go after linemen, linemen should pretty rarely be drafted.
     
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  36. bigbry

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    Blah, blah, blah....All you are doing is deflecting the reason why Long didn't "come home".

    It was that puddle doodle dog rants from you!

    lol
     
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  37. jdang307

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    .First of all, we're talking about the draft. You don't build a team trading away two second rounders for Marshall, nor two firsts (or whatever it was) for Ricky Williams.

    second of all, we got rid of him for two thirds, so if you want to play that game, you only get the difference between two 2nd's and two thirdss

    Yes, that's about it. Ireland was part of the trifecta that determined Henne was every bit as good. I'm just driving that nail a little deeper.


    Usually it's not the same guy here doing it after 5 years if you've had 4 losing seasons. If after 5 years, you have 4 straight losing seasons, you need to spend $100 million on contracts to shore up a position that's been ignored, and you need to use more draft picks on the same positions as before, usually that person gets replaced unless they're named Matt Millen. :D

    I'm just pointing that out. He's here, I'm excited for this year, I hope he finally knocks it out. But we all know it really depends on how well Tannehill plays. A great QB makes a crappy team competitive. Ireland's job rests solely on Tannehill's shoulders in my opinion.
     
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  38. Disgustipate

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    Factually speaking, a very small percentage of draft picks will get a second contract with the team that drafted them. Of that small selection of players, some of them will be guys who were disappointments whose second contract or role or ability is still inappropriate for where they were drafted.

    Having to draft another left tackle at this point is not in any sense a sign of failure.
     
  39. ToddPhin

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    Don't even wanna ask what a puddle doodle is. :p
     
  40. jdang307

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    As for the bold, yes I get it. But I'm not looking at that in a vacuum.

    Drafting a guy #1 overall you'd like that to be the one guy, that would stay on for a 2nd contract. Yes I understand we were outbidded but he isn't making the most out of all left tackles and we could have tried to sign him before his K was up. I don't see it as a dismal failure but it sure is a let down.

    St. Louis is getting more mileage out of #2 than we are out of #1. Now they have both. :D
     

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