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Tyrann Mathieu on how many drug tests he failed

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  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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  2. 305

    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    I wont make up any excuses for the kid, he ****ed up himself.... but the school completely neglected him.
     
  3. MikeHoncho

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    Sounds like a half baked excuse to make an example of your star players. :shifty:
     
  4. slickj101

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    lol How is that even possible? What were his punishments for the first 9?
     
  5. MikeHoncho

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    They would put his bowl high up in the tall cupboards. Just out of reach.
     
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  6. 305

    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    No Doritos for a week.
     
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  7. Fin D

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    Deej, pumpkin.....you cannot defend this any longer...can you?
     
  8. unluckyluciano

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    jesus, might as well waterboard the poor guy.
     
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  9. slickj101

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    I'd of defended him if it was a few but 10 is nuts. Unless they told him to go ahead and smoke and don't worry about the tests then you really can't justify 10 lol
     
  10. djphinfan

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    Damn it...he's so fu&$in talented...my gut tells me he was just a kid that caught up and tried to escape from the fame, so yeah, based in what I've seen this offseason and his contrition, I'd be the GM that took a shot on the kid..past is the past, clean slate, cue Eminem.." You only get one shot, do not miss this chance to show, this opportunity comes once in a lifetime"

    For me, I usually don't risk on character concerns, but the kids talent and my gut says, I'll make the exception..

    My strategy would be to sign Charles Woodson 2maro, and take the kid.
     
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  11. Fin D

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    You're killing me Smalls.
     
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  12. KB21

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    Thing is, he is really not that talented. He's small and tight hipped. He's a liability in coverage on the perimeter, so at best, you are making an exception for a guy who is nothing more than a slot corner/special teams player in the NFL.
     
  13. MikeHoncho

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    In djs defense, we have done it before with Jimmy W. That said, he turned out to be innocent and the past is in the past. If the Badger drops far enough, I would take a flyer too. 4th round definitely.
     
  14. unluckyluciano

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    jimmy wilson was acquitted for self defense. Different situation IMO.
     
  15. ckparrothead

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    Big difference between Jimmy Wilson and Tyrann Mathieu, IMO. Wilson had a life-altering event happen to him that he had to get over after it turned out he was innocent. He had to get back to football and get on with his life. Tyrann Mathieu voluntarily screwed up, and was totally guilty of it, over and over and over again. Willfully. Uncaringly. And even after the worst consequence happened, he showed no sign if bottoming out. He's doing stories with CNNSI about how he's trying to get his life back together and he's got a baby on the way and how he's changed and everything. A week later he's busted with 8 bags of pot in his house plus sellers' implements like digital scales and stuff.

    To me that's scary. That he is a guy that needs to hit rock bottom at all, rather than a guy who can take heed to reality checks, is already scary in itself. But what is different about now for Mathieu as opposed to back then, when he should have already hit rock bottom? He's essentially acknowledged he can't trust himself to stay out of bad situations, he needs to hire a handler to do it for him. That's kind of scary.
     
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  16. ckparrothead

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    Here are the differences between a Tyrann Mathieu and a Peter Lalich, for example, that make a difference to me:

    1. Lalich's incidents involved being caught with alcohol when he wasn't supposed to be. Like it or not alcohol is still more legally acceptable (and acceptable by NFL guidelines) than marijuana.

    2. Lalich was sent by his Cal-PA coach to an addiction clinic for a thorough evaluation and the reports were glowing.

    3. Most importantly, since that evaluation, Lalich has not had anymore incidents. He hasn't had an incident since May of 2010. That's 3 full years.
     
  17. KB21

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    Mathieu in Miami would be like sending an alcoholic to a bar. Even if he was as talented as DJ thinks, Miami is not the best place for him. It is like when Jimmy Johnson mentioned that the reason he didn't draft Ray Lewis was because he felt that Ray needed to get out of Miami and away from the people he was hanging with in Miami.
     
  18. MikeHoncho

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    Would Ricky Williams be a more apt comparison? Silly legislation imo.
     
  19. KB21

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    Ricky was a flake, but Ricky was also just a recreational user. There are legitimate questions as to whether Mathieu is a dealer along with being a user.
     
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    I had speculated in an earlier thread that there had to have been at least three previous failures before the school acted. Based on my experience with SEC schools and how important football is there my personal opinion was that there had been far more failures than that. This quote from him confirms that. And even then they only acted b/c he failed an NCAA test. This guy has not shown any tendency to change his behavior beyond a few words which I would almost guarantee are the same ones he said after several of the previous failures. The idea that this guy will come into the NFL and suddenly change his ways is a greater fantasy than anything Disney has ever put out.
     
  21. ckparrothead

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    Unfortunately we're at a point in this country that location doesn't matter as much, at least to me. You're going to just as easily find drugs, especially weed, in a suburb or in Buffalo, NY as you are Miami, FL. In fact he might be even worse off in a town like Buffalo where according to certain players (I've never been so I don't want to make judgments) there's not much to do. That situation probably leads to smoking pot maybe even more easily than a city with a ton of things going on like Miami. If he were into harder stuff then you could argue it's more easily gotten in Miami but then, I grew up in a small town a pretty good distance from Miami and I easily knew exactly who to go to and how to get anything I damn well wanted. Suburban towns have a whole smorgasbord of drugs available without even looking all that hard. Supposedly, all Mathieu has gotten into is weed.

    I don't trust him because he's not trustworthy, it's not really because of what city he'd be in. We're a little bit out of the Scarface era.
     
  22. ckparrothead

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    I'm a little torn. To be honest I don't think LSU, the NCAA or the NFL should be testing for marijuana. I don't agree with it. It's not a performance enhancing drug. It's not even illegal in all states anymore. So on the one hand if LSU looks the other way at positive drug tests then to me that can be kind of a good thing, a righteous thing. On the other hand, the fact of the matter is the NCAA and NFL are very strict about it and they do test, and running around thinking there are no consequences to failed drug tests could ruin the career of a guy who otherwise might've had one. So some tough love from the school itself might have done Smokey Badger some good.
     
  23. azfinfanmang

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    Why not just bring up Devone Bess. Neither of them had the chances that Honey Toker had.


    Cmon. I'm saying...5 or 6 would be a RIDICULOUS number, but stopped counting at 10? Seriously??????
     
  24. azfinfanmang

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    Bottom line. It IS against the law in the State of Louisiana. Regardless of your views on it (I'm not against it, I don't do it, but I also don't think it should be illegal) is completely a non-sequitor. He was breaking the freaking law at least 10 times. That in itself is a huge issue IMHO
     
  25. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I never liked this stance. It is very easy to break the law.
     
  26. azfinfanmang

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    The same exact law over 10 times? I don't agree with that. That is not "Easy", that is very very intentional.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    You know it's not that simple. Should I cite some of the thousands of laws that are on the books in various states that law enforcement has no interest in enforcing?

    Should the NCAA mete out punishment to student-athletes in Lousiana if they're caught gargling in public places?
     
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    Well, if it is against the law, they warn him the first couple of times, then start strickter punishment, then yes, yes you should.

    I also think it's a silly law, but regardless of what you, I or the Honey Toker think, it is indeed a law that he repeatedly and blatantly broke. I have a very tough time looking past that. I would feel the same way about a kid that wasn't 21 and was repeatedly busted for Public Intoxication (Which is a much better analogy than gargling).
     
  29. unluckyluciano

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    I think it's silly legislation also. But, if you are using when you know 1) it can get you kicked out of college 2) it can cost you your future earning tons of money. Then I have to question at least the individuals intelligence.
     
  30. ckparrothead

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    If you grow an unlicensed goatee in Louisiana then you are brazenly breaking the law. If you get seriously burned and you don't report it to the fire marshall, you are brazenly breaking the law. If you eat more than three sandwiches at a wake in Louisiana, you're brazenly breaking the law. If you repeatedly snore in your bedroom without all windows and doors securely locked, you're breaking the law in Louisiana. If you mock contestants at a boxing match in Louisiana, you're breaking the law.

    This isn't about some Judge Dredd holier than thou, you broke the law thing to me. This is about him being unreliable while governed by a set of NCAA/NFL rules that are probably wrong to begin with, but aren't about to change any time soon. This is about being uncaring about that, willfully flirting with disaster, and being so addicted to the substance he can't trust himself to stop. It's about his being the next Ricky Williams except probably not as intelligent.
     
  31. Stitches

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    Pretty sure in New Orleans for a woman to drive they have to have their husband walking out in front of the vehicle waving some flags as a warning.
     
  32. ckparrothead

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    And in Florida anything but the missionary position is illegal. And you're not allowed to shower naked. Or sing in a public place while wearing a bathing suit. Or fart in a public place after 6pm on Thursday. And in Tampa specifically it's illegal to eat cottage cheese on Sundays after 6pm.
     
  33. djphinfan

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    Looks like you and seemingly everyone else are far apart from myself as to how unique I think the skillset is..

    Not a perimeter corner, to engage this skillset, (unreal footwork in traffic/elite instincts/ball skills), he needs to be facing all the action..he's a safety, and I believe he is the next Palumalu..
     
  34. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I jaywalked twice today. I easily have broken that law 10 times this month.
     
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    In Auburn, WA it is against the law to have sex with a virgin. Even if you are married to her.

    In Seattle, it is a six month jail sentence if a woman sits on your lap on a train without a pillow in between.
     
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    Yeah, I get it. You are going to throw every stupid ****ing law you can find against me. Keep going. Is that all you have? Honestly, I expected better from you. I honestly did.
     
  37. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That is all I need for the, "He broke the law," argument, which I have been against since I was your age. It is a terrible argument. Too many laws are easy to break.

    I also think the marajuana law is as stupid as jaywalking.
     
  38. djphinfan

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    "Former LSU cornerback Tyrann Mathieu is disputing a story by USA Today Sports regarding a quote attributed to him that came from an unnamed NFL assistant coach about failed drug tests.

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    The newspaper reported that Mathieu told at least one NFL team he failed so many drug tests in college that he couldn't even remember them all.

    An assistant coach for one team told the newspaper that when that team interviewed Mathieu, he was asked how many drug tests he failed in college.

    "I quit counting at 10," Mathieu answered. "I really don't know."

    Mathieu contacted LSU on Friday, saying the story does not accurately reflect the discussions that he has had while on visits to various NFL teams.

    "It is irresponsible and shows a lack of integrity for anyone to disclose medical information regardless of how it was gathered," Mathieu said. "I would expect that conversations regarding my drug testing history during the course of my medical treatment would be private. LSU has a strong drug testing program and LSU went to great lengths to help me in my treatment and recovery. I understand that many people enjoy reading about the negative side of sports, but to publish those second-hand comments without being given a chance to address that comment prior to the publication of the article is irresponsible."

    The assistant told the newspaper that Mathieu's statement had him pointing his finger at LSU as much as the player.

    Mathieu, who has declared he's been clean since October, enjoyed a strong performance at the NFL scouting combine in February and remains an intriguing draft prospect.

    At LSU's pro day in March, Mathieu also carried himself in a professional manner, mindful that NFL scouts, coaches and front-office personnel in attendance are all well-versed in his history and are particularly mindful of how he presents himself.

    "I think they know everything already [about my background]," Mathieu said at pro day. "I think they just want you to be honest with them. That was my best friend, coming into this offseason and going into this draft was, just be honest, and open."

    Mathieu has been projected as a second or third-round draft pick by many draft experts. ESPN's Mel Kiper has Mathieu being picked by the New England Patriots in the second round."
     
  39. ckparrothead

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    I think the marijuana rules are stupid as hell.

    Unfortunately though, they're not changing any time soon for the NFL. And that's what matters. This isn't about morality it's about business. It's about valuing an asset. He's an unreliable asset, given the current constraints in the league.

    What gets me is how willful he was about the whole thing. He just didn't care. He didn't think it was a big deal, he didn't think it was important to play by the rules.

    Marijuana is therefore only maybe like a THIRD of my concern about him from a character standpoint. Maybe less. If he was willful about that, didn't care at all about the rules, didn't think it was a big deal...there are going to be other things he doesn't think are a big deal and that he is willful about. It's part of his personality.
     
  40. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That is the thing that bothers me the most.
     

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