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Let's set some Benchmarks for Ryan Tannehill

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MonstBlitz, Apr 12, 2013.

  1. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    the next dimension
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  2. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Good points.

    Further to that, Tannehill today is still 4 starts less (college and pros combined) than Henne had as a rookie... Then Henne apprenticed a year behind Pennington before starting.

    Tannehill's performance THIS year needs to at least equal Henne, to consider them similar in development. Except, I expect Ryan will be way better than Henne was and WAY sooner than Henne.
     
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  3. DPlus47

    DPlus47 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Throw in my vote for tracking the passer rating. With QBR, you may as well be telling some of us older guys how many metres you think Tannehill will pass for next season.
     
  4. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    His NFL QB rating or passer rating was 76.1. The difference is ESPN uses a different, but not necessarily better formula. Since they are the only ones who recognize it as anything significant why use it instead of the traditional NFL rating formula?
     
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  5. jw3102

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    Some people will say that Tannehill was just a rookie and Henne was a second year professional. They will also point out that Tannehill had limited starts as a college QB. While all of that is true, these same things are true of Mark Sanchez and he has gone backwards as a starter in the NFL after leading his team to the AFC championship game in each of his first two NFL seasons.

    Hopefully Tannehill will develop into a much better NFL QB than Henne or Sanchez, but right now he is still a HUGE question mark as an NFL QB, as far as I am concerned. We will know a lot more about Tannehill after this coming season and we are all hoping he will develop into a quality starter in the NFL. If he doesn't, Ireland and Philbin will be on their way out of Miami and the Dolphins will be using their first round draft pick in 2014 on another QB of the future.
     
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  6. Limbo

    Limbo Mad Stillz

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    My benchmark is to have our last game or two mean something for wildcard/seeding. That's all I want: meaningful weeks 16 and 17. I don't even care if we ultimately make the playoffs or not, so long as we're playing for something. I'm sick of week 14s (or earlier) when Phins talk turns to the offseason/who should be fired or let go. More TDs than INTs would be nice, too. But really I just want late-December buzz.
     
  7. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Goal: 20 TD passes

    It's been over a decade since we've had a QB throw 20 TD passes. And Tannehill has the weapons to do it.

    Simply put, we need more scoring out of the passing game. That will represent progress.

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  8. 17isOurSavior

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    I also love how people forget the TD's that Tannehill were robbed of.

    Binns dropped TD in NE.
    Hartline not having enough speed to chase perfectly placed deep ball twice, vs NE & JAX.

    That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more. Now with the core we have now? I'm expecting a big, breakout season from Tannehill.
     
  9. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    Tannehill better friggin throw more then 17 tds in 2013, if he doesn't then he is a friggin putz. The kid is decent but it all ends there, decent at best.
     
  10. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    Tell us how many TDs he was " robbed " of, please enlighten all of us. Surely people dropped passes that is not disputable but robbed ? Did the robber wear a mask ?
     
  11. azfinfanmang

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    Say what?????

    If it was a "perfectly placed pass" Hartline wouldn't need more speed to catch up with it. Silliest thing I have read tonight, and its not even close.
     
  12. 17isOurSavior

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    Anyone with above average speed could have caught that ball. Is it a coincidence that we went after the fastest receiver in the league as soon as free agency started?

    Honestly, the fact that Tannehill put up those numbers with that receiving core is a damn near miracle. Anyone that doesn't think his numbers aren't going to skyrocket after our signings are fools, honestly.
     
  13. azfinfanmang

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    We will see.

    If his numbers don't skyrocket, is it still somebody else's fault? I'm just curious exactly how these rules go. :up:
     
  14. 17isOurSavior

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    Nope, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that more effective weapons surrounding Tannehill = higher numbers.
     
  15. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    They aren't the only ones who recognize it considering I pulled the figure from Pro Football Reference.

    I used it because Passer rating has always, IMHO, been an odd stat. It's got a high degree of variance, and doesn't always paint the whole picture. I'm not married to QBR either. I'll add Passer rating to the OP.
     
  16. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    QB Rating or Passer Rating means the same thing, just two different formulas. I prefer to say Passer Rating, since it is only about passing stats, but even with the NFL they refer to it as QB Rating. 76.1 is Tannehill's QB or Passer Rating by the NFL formula, and 52.28 is the QB or Passer Rating by ESPN's formula.
    Like DPlus said, when you post the ESPN Rating it's like posting his yardage in meters. We've been thinking in NFL Qb Rating since forever, and now ESPN springs their own new formula on us in 2008.
     
  17. azfinfanmang

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    What if I told you I AM a rocket Scientist.

    So what you're telling me is that any improvement isn't actually because if RT, but actually in spite of him?

    Do you have directions with new rules you are enforcing? I just want to make sure I recognize it.
     
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  18. pocoloco

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    Tannehill had his college offense, I don't think a Henne comparison is off base at all.
     
  19. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Didn't our field goal kicker win the Seattle game?
    The first NY game we didn't even win so tell me how that was a game winning drive?
     
  20. azfinfanmang

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    As "Cautious" as I am with Tannehill, I do think he will end up being a better Pro than Henne. I think his athleticism will propel some very good moments much as that was generally the good times I remember watching while he was at A&M
     
  21. mommabilly

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    I can agree with that. Tannehill while no Peyton Manning is tons better then Henne could ever hope to be. Henne was bad in college and was worse in the NFL. I said it before, Bill Parcels was perhaps the worst evaluator of QB talent in the NFL. Even at the Giants, who did he have ? Phil Simms and Jeff Hostetler ? Both did not exactly throw fear into any defense. LOL
     
  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Bill didn't bring in Phil Simms.
     
  23. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Another aspect where Tannehill was trending up last year was using his feet to make plays. In the beginning of the season he seemed tentative to run. Toward the end it seemed like he had a better understanding of when to take off and scramble.
     
  24. Onehondo

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    I think we all want to see Tannehill progress and to be successful. We need to see much more than that, we need to see serious improvement in the offensive line, in the wide receivers, and in the running game in order to give Tannehill the best chance to succeed. Last year we gave up Brandon Marshall and left Tannehill one of the worst receiving cores in the NFL, this year we gave up our Left Tackle and our most explosive offensive weapon in Reggie Bush. Now we need to see if Miami has improved Tannehill's surrounding cast so that he can improve.
     
  25. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I meant to do this much closer to the end of the season, but I had to shake off the deep depression of this team missing the playoffs. Anyway, I added Tannehill's actual numbers to the OP. I want to point out, I had been keeping one eye on these benchmarks we set all through the season. Going into the Buffalo game he was on pace to hit or exceed many of the STRETCH goals. Those were the goals we had set that we (at least I) were not overly optimistic he would hit but would have been awesome if he did. Those 2 games hugely dragged down a lot of the numbers. Even so, he still hit or exceeded a lot of the goals. I know most of you don't put a lot of stock in ESPN's QBR and I'm not sure I do either. I don't know the exact science behind it, but seems that rating places more weight on sacks. Looking at this makes me feel a little better about the struggles with the GM search. He doesn't have to be the best damn GM in the universe. He just has to be good enough to put a competent offensive line around Ryan Tannehill.

    Could a Mod update thread title to say "Updated with Actuals" or something to that effect?
     
  26. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    The QBR is that the ESPN one?

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  27. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  28. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Yup.
     
  29. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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    Is he the one that was fired in San Francisco?
     
  30. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    :headscratch:

    Maybe this response was meant for another thread? :lol:
     
  31. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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    Was a joke from another thread. I think it was the GM thread. Ill go home now.
     
  32. CaribPhin

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    No. I believe that he was the head coach of the Raiders.

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  33. you guys suck
     

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