Dolphins discussing trade for Branden Albert.

Agree to disagree, I'm not comfortable with bypassing: Werner, Jones, Lotulelei, Austin, Patterson, Floyd, Carradine, Richardson, or Eifert, for a late 2nd which will probably equate to a Kiko Alonso :/

 

I'd send them Bess to lower the pick price and go Bailey and Swope.

 

You don't know if we are giving up a second round pick yet, let alone which one. There is always the possibility, as an earlier poster pointed out, that they can get that second round pick back by trading down in the first round.

 

I think one thing that is missing from this discussion is that, when you look at the guys who are the top right tackles in football right now, they were left tackles in college.

 

Interesting....WHO are the elite players

3 OTs
Eifert
Austin
Star, Floyd
Millner
Warmack, Cooper
Jordan, Jones

Agree? More or less?

 

According to SI's Peter King, the Falcons are trying to trade up from No. 30 in the first round of the draft.

Thomas Dimitroff is annually one of the most aggressive general managers on draft day, especially when there's a player he wants -- such as Julio Jones in 2011. This year, the Falcons have holes at cornerback and pass rusher. They'd have to really reach to get into the Dee Milliner range, but Florida State's Xavier Rhodes or Washington's Desmond Trufant could be realistic. A darkhorse name to watch is Notre Dame TE Tyler Eifert as the Falcons look toward the post-Tony Gonzalez era. Note that Dimitroff has 11 total picks to work with.

Source: Peter King on Twitter

Possibly?

 

Were going to have to pass on all those guys if this trade doesnt happen. We dont have a starting LT on the roster. We could make this trade and keep our #12 but lose one pick, trade multiple picks including #12 to get one one of the top 3 LTs, reach for a tackle at 12, or trade down in the 1st and grab a tackle there. I dont think ireland is going to trust ryans blind side with armstrong in the 2nd.

 

I'm not opposed to Albert, but I'm not exactly champing at the bit to get him, either.

That said: by default, this would be one of Ireland's only good expenditures of a second round pick in his six years as GM. Compared to junk like Daniel Thomas and Philip Merling, Branden Albert is parade-worthy.

 

I'll wait to see the actual compensation/$$ before I have an opinion.

However if we are trading a pick....I hope we can then pull off a trade with the Rams.

Pick 12
Bess

For

Pick 22
Pick 46 (close on trade chart)
Rams 4th rounder (factoring in Bess)

That guarantees Kenny for them. While we could still look at Eifert, Elam. Or go with one of the WR's like Allen/Hopkins. Or be right there in the mix for the CB's.

 

Twitter rumors are we have been offering a 3rd. If this what can get him for I'm all for it. To get him and keep are top 3 picks would be amazing

 

That would be much more tolerable.

 

We can afford to give up a second or a third.
Its the potential contract that scares me.

 

For 2b or 3a, the price is well worth it.

I'm inclined to think we're coming away from this with at least two first round selections, Branden Albert, and whatever happens on day 3.

 

I'm still inclined to not believe the reports. If injuries were the reason they didn't want to pay Long highly........I can't see why they would trade a draft pick + pay highly for Albert whose going through back issues himself.

 

It's been said before, but I really don't like this... It just doesn't make sense at all.
Why wouldn't we have just kept Long? We could have kept Long slightly cheaper and without giving up a draft pick. The cap hit is pretty significant, I think we would be approaching some cap problems if we do this. Is it really worth only a one year contract?

I would take the picks you would give up for Albert and put those into trading up and getting an elite Tackle. Much cheaper and it's a long term solution, not just for one year.

This just simply does not make sense to me at all. This would look bad on Ireland imo.

 

These types of trades are never 1 year deals. Which is why I think this is long for over. Even if you figure out terms with K.C.....it's all moot if you can't figure out a contract with him.

 

Back injuries are the biggest red flag for a lineman too. It's very realistic to presume he has at least as much tread wear as Jake Long.

 

The reason is Luke Joeckel, he will come cheap and he is a cant miss prospect. Luke Joeckel allows Chiefs to do this kind of thing.

"Why not just resign jake Long?" because Jake is not worth the money he got.

 

I don't see anyone else banging on kcs door for Albert so I'm wondering if irish could dangle one of our third round picks in front of them and see if they bite... That should be acceptable value for everyone.

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The Dolphins are prepared to pay him the $9.8 million he’s owed for 2013 if a deal can be struck. But a long-term deal would be of interest to Miami and they likely would at least have conversations toward that end before agreeing to a deal with K.C.
The belief is the Chiefs very likely will trade him, and Miami has as good or better a chance as anybody to land him. But other teams are in the mix. And though conversations are ongoing and serious, Miami as of Wednesday evening had not yet pulled the trigger. Albert was ranked 25th among all left tackles by Pro Football Weekly last year.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...eat-dolphins-canes-tidbits.html#storylink=cpy​

 

Just like I was not willing to pay Long that much money, nor am I willing to pay Albert that much money. They both have health problems too, AND he is older than Jake Long by two years.

 

To get a pick when he leaves.


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Nor is Albert. If he were, KC could use that pick on another position.




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Here's one.

Offer them Jonathan Martin for Albert. Hey, he's a second rounder.


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Right, no one is eager to grab Albert yet it's being argued that he is desirable enough to spend $9m a year and a second round pick on because he's that good an LT.


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Which is what they should still do. With the 1st overall pick id want to seriously improve the team, not just the salary cap.

 

Man, I just want this dude just for the fact he's a pretty big upgrade at a very important postition. A second rounder for him sounds good to me. Will we find a tackle of his caliber in the 2nd? Probably not. Fills another need, let's us go another direction with the first. Sounds good to me.

 

Ireland really wants to keep our 1st rounder..who is he man-crushing on?

 

I was saying a 3rd and figuring they would low ball him if they tried to keep him around.. I see your point though.

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He's ranked 25th for LT position? So there are only 7 starting LTs that are worse eh. Wow...this guy must be a stud!

 

25th of all tackles. Jake Long was ranked 46th.

 

25th tackle. But again PFF states OVER and OVER that their overall ratings are 'subjective' to say the least. I don't have PFF access at the moment but KB did pull his numbers. His Pass Block Efficiency #'s the last 2 years were over 96 (puts him 7th in both seasons). 4.4% pressure rate which is about Jake Long's career average, far better then the last 2 years of Jake and just a bit under Jake's first 3 years.

He's a very good pass blocking tackle option. To me it's the cost involved + back injury that are my questions. Not his skills as a pass blocker (if your curious about running behind him K.C. did 85 times for 471 yards. 5.5 avg).

 

I bet if we get could get Albert for a third(or second) and Bess.
Than the answer to your question would be Tavon Austin.

 

That's exactly what I mean though. If its going to happen, it has to happen before the draft. You have to decide, do you want to pay Albert, is he good enough, and healthy enough to play at a high level this year, and over the duration of the contract you'd have to give him, or can you get a comparable, or better player in the draft at 12, or higher if you feel the LT you want will be off the board. You just have to decide what route your going to take before you start making your draft picks. Our whole, and KC's whole draft strategy depends on this deal. Personally... I'd not do the deal. We've made our bed by having Jake Long leave, we have to draft an LT who will be solid for the next 5 years on a rookie deal, at a low salary because of the rookie wage scale now. IMO, the whole thing screams smokescreen, to get teams thinking we are going to trade for Albert, then we trade up, and snag Lane Johnson or something. Im willing to bet that Ireland and Philbin feels that they've done enough with the WR position through free agency to upgrade the skilled positions on offense, and LT is the way to go, early.

 

I know it's the bleacher, but it an article that paints a story that might tell why KC is so interested in getting Albert out of town. Good read:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1559290-is-branden-albert-really-a-nfl-left-tackle

 

thinking like Ireland I would say cooper

 

Bad link.

 

The bolder part I would change to say "you just have to know your options". Your points are well taken, but the specifics of how this could go down depends on decisions the Miami Dolphins have already made with regards to what they value. We won't know for another week what their plans involve unless they do, in fact, decide to make a trade before the draft. It's just one of many scenarios. If they do make the trade before the draft, it means that they most highly value an experienced LT that they think very highly of. If not then they value this less, relative to other possible acquisitions, and want to leave other options open.