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Pat White Out Weighs Tavon Austin By 10 lbs and..

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Finatic, Apr 18, 2013.

  1. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    She should pad the headboard. Just sayin. Worked for my ole lady.














    Disclaimer: Sleeping upright to alleviate apnea can be difficult against a hard surface.
     
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  2. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    I have a feeling that if Austin got like 30 yards and Bailey 200, the credit lies with Austin

    Since Austin will not be used as a tailback in the NFL, any tailback stats are completely irrelevant to his NFL projection
     
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  3. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Not sure how she handles being double-teamed though. If you put guys on her high & low that's certainly not the direction you wanna be looking.
     
  4. azfinfanmang

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    My apologies. I misread your intentions.
     
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  5. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Nice straw arguement bro. Nobody has said Bailey gets no credit for his play. The guy's a solid 3rd rounder, and I myself have stated numerous times if we don't get Tavon then Bailey is my second choice to replace Bess in the slot. It's absurd you think a 3rd round receiver tallied up a level of stats [that not even the likes of Calvin Johnson saw] entirely on his own merit w/o some of the credit going to Holorgren's offensive design, a 1st round QB throwing the ball, a spread out field with Tavon on it, Tavon going in motion half the time to freeze defenders [especially safeties responsible for aiding in coverage on Bailey over the top], and then utilizing Tavon as a running back which freezes defenses all the more.

    I also find it unfathomable that you believe a 1st round receiver who was the most explosive & dangerous player in all of football did nothing to alter how defenses played WVU.

    That's quite false as well. What do you think, receivers just fall down upon reception? Every time a receiver catches the ball he becomes a runner! Tavon's tailback stats are most certainly relevant b/c they showcase his RAC ability which definitely IS important in the NFL. The guy will be used in more ways than just receiver just as Cobb & Harvin are, so prior success in an Xfactor type role is far from trivial when projecting him as an Xfactor type player.
     
  6. azfinfanmang

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    Easy guys. Let's keep it respectful. Neither Mothers nor migraines are a laughing matter. I have watched my wife get filled intravenously with morphine and it not help. Very serious and tough business.
     
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  7. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    ... and I watched my father die in my arms, supported my wife through breast cancer, and have a step daughter who was born premature, had a portion of her temporal lobe removed to address a seizure disorder that required an induced coma for that subsequently left her severely diabetic, mildly mentally disabled, and chronic migraines, but that doesn't mean I have to have a stick up my arse when it comes to talking about them or illness in general. If we had to avoid every subject that causes a loved one pain or discomfort there'd be little left outside of sports, politics, and religion to discuss and not much to joke about b/c just about everything we find funny someone else or their family or loved one has had a bad experience with.

    --"Hahaha, hey, look at that guy running in flames from that burning go-kart!"... "Please show some compassion guys; Bob's sister perished in a house fire".

    --"<chuckle chuckle> Look at that fat woman walking with 8 feet of toilet paper draped off the back of her pants!"... "C'mon man, that's not something to joke about; Steve's mother died from obesity and Sally's husband just had a heart attack from being overweight."

    --"LOL at that deer kicking that hunter's butt!"..... "That's insensitive bro. My cousin is a quadriplegic after a car accident with a deer."
     
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  8. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    All that...AND you're ugly.....your god clearly thinks you're an *******.
     
  9. Finatic

    Finatic I Pay The Iron Price

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    *fist bumps*
     
  10. Finatic

    Finatic I Pay The Iron Price

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    :tongue2: Bailey played better that day. Vaccaro Played both of them throughout the game and made a lot of plays.
     
  11. ToddPhin

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    ... or is just balancing out my previous life as a king and womanizing man whore. :shifty:
     
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    Not sure if this comment was made but Physics suggests that when a collision happens, momentum is what counts. Momentum is measured by mass+velocity of both objects colliding. For Tavon Austin, while
    he may not have the size he sure as hell has the velocity to take and give hits. It also matters who they face. Jake Long blocked the D-line while Austin will mainly face the DBs. I do not see his size as a concern, with or without physics
     
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  13. CANDolphan

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    My comment was made entirely in jest, and I had no idea that the migraines were a symptom of something more serious - that's my ignorance. My bad man.
     
  14. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    This thread blows goats.
     
  15. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    This thread is your mom?!?!??!
     
  16. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Didn't you hear AZ, have a little respect for moms will ya.


















    Besides, it's his dad.
     
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  17. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    I'm curious. How many times do you think you could run full speed into your front door? Most NFL players would destroy the door on the 1st shot. A 5' 7"/175 pound guy might need a few. Size matters.
     
  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    How many doors are on a standard NFL football field?
     
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  19. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Three.
     
  20. cdz12250

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    Force equals mass times speed squared. Force increases linearly with mass, but exponentially with speed. Going faster results in much more force at the point of impact than being more massive.

    The problem is that this has nothing to do with the ability of a human being to absorb a hit. A very massive human being can absorb a lot more force than a small one. The results on a human being is a matter of anatomy and physiology also, not just physics. A tiny guy may be able to hit very hard if he runs into a big guy at a very high speed, but the big guy is most likely to get up and shrug off the hit, while the little guy may break his neck and not get up.
     
  21. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    I banged all your fathers. Twice.

    It's ok, I know fathers.
     
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  22. Fin D

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    And yet, almost every time a WR gets tackled by a LB, he gets up no problem. You guys are acting like every tackle is is two players running full speed at each other in a straight line. This is classic over thinking of a situation.
     
  23. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    You should probably get checked out if you banged mine.
     
  24. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Maybe, and not every hit is two guys running at each other full tilt, but some are. Like the time Pat White got clocked in Pittsburgh.
     
  25. Fin D

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    He got up every time he's been tackled from high school to college. I think this is a standard case of it sounds good when you say it real fast.
     
  26. cdz12250

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    So did Darryl Stingley, until he broke his spine. Look, if we go back to the original premise, which is that a little guy is more likely to get injured in a collision than a big guy, I don't think that's even debatable. Think of the risk of a concussion.
     
  27. Fin D

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    Darryl Stringley was 6 ft and 194 lbs. If Austin was that size this thread wouldn't exist.
     
  28. rafael

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    History has shown that injury likelihood is more predictable based on injury history than it is on size. Saying a guy is likely to be injured based on his size is ridiculous. There simply hasn't been a correlation in the NFL game. Probably b/c the important factors are anatomy, physiology and play style well above size. Saying that a small player has a greater injury risk is simplistic and inaccurate.
     
  29. ToddPhin

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    dad?
     
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  30. Fin D

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    Exactly.

    Take a cue ball and place it on the ground. Drop a cinder block on it. The cinder block will break, despite the fact that it has considerably more size, mass and momentum. Because, size, mass and momentum don't tell the whole story.
     
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  31. Finatic

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    Lmao at size not being a factor in a players durability in a ful contact sport. you guys are nutso. There is a reason the league isnt filled with 5'9 175 pounds guys . Most of them are carted off college practice fields. Jahvid Best anyone...
     
  32. Finatic

    Finatic I Pay The Iron Price

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    Take A cinder Block punch it. Although it may break in some places it is majority still in tact and able to withstand another punch.

    Take an egg and punch it- it shatters into 100 pieces and will not withstand another punch
     
  33. djphinfan

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    Let him post what he said, you'll see why I chimed in, the analysis didn't nearly capture what this kid is capable of doing at the next level.

    Austin is not a toy you play with.
     
  34. djphinfan

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    Ridiculous for sure.

    Tavon is so good with understanding how to use his skillset, he avoids a lot of hits, and, his body has symmetrical balance with an excellent ratio of musculature relative to his stature, thick waist gives him great leverage to balance..
     
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  35. ToddPhin

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    Aye yai yai. Jahvid Best is done b/c of concussions.
    The same reason 6'4 320 pound Kris Dielman retired, genius.
    No kidding the league isn't filled with Warrick Dunn/Tavon Austin sized guys; rarely do players come along with their ability, duh.

    .... and Best's was much due to reckless play style like the below self-induced concussion.
    Best had a concussion history dating back to college. Austin, no such history.
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    HOWEVER we can expect plays like this 75 yard TD off a screen from Tavon who is even faster than Best and with greater elusiveness.
    [video=youtube;xn5oMhjAghs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn5oMhjAghs[/video]


    .... or this backbreaking late 4th quarter dump off 53 yard TD vs us when we had a comfortable 10 point lead.
    [video=youtube;KmHOYBOUX-w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmHOYBOUX-w[/video]
     
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  36. Fin D

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    How do you not understand you're proving my point and not arguing it.
     
  37. ToddPhin

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    Finatic doesn't seem to understand that bigger doesn't necessarily mean crap when it comes to maintaining healthy cartilage, joints, tendons, ligaments, and having a better protected brain. The enemies of an NFL player's ever crucial knees & ankles are mass, gravity, and force. A 230 pound back has 230 pounds of weight working against him stressing his knees, ankles, etc, especially upon contact and while stopping or changing direction where those 230 pounds of mass are creating greater force upon his body's connective tissue & brain than the 175 pound Tavon Austin who does a better job avoiding direct contact, in turn lessening the force involved. Not to mention he presents a smaller surface area to make contact with.

    That's why bigger backs have shorter careers, and that's why 9 of the top 10 yards/scrimmage backs of all time are 210 pounds or less with an average weight of 204 pounds and an average career length of 13 years. The other back on the list is 220 pound LaDainian Tomlinson.

    Those guys might be smaller than 230+ pound bruising backs you wouldn't want to take on in a collision but they subject their connective tissue to less stress & strain, which is why there are no bigger backs in that top 10 list.

    Fortunately Austin is a receiver first and foremost, so absorbing punishment is less of an issue. BTW, DeSean Jackson is a thinner 174 pounds than Tavon yet he's only missed 4 games the past 4 years.
     
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  38. ToddPhin

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    Hey Finatic, tell me how the bruising 240 pound Peyton Hillis is doing nowadays. :wink2:
    His career was essentially over at 25 b/c of what I just talked about.
     
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  39. Stringer Bell

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    IIRC there is some pretty conclusive evidence that RBs with lower BMI are more prone to injury. Not sure it applies to WRs or not though.
     
  40. ToddPhin

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    yet smaller backs who are great at avoiding contact have had the longest careers and most productivity.
     
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