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Ross speaks about our stadium situation..

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Apr 20, 2013.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/04/20/v-fullstory/3354225/miami-dolphins-owner-stephen-ross.html

    Ross: “Well, first of all, the benefits of this, the public is the one that really benefits. As we disclosed in our financials, we don’t make a lot of money. In fact, we lose a lot of money. How do you turn that around? By winning football games. And how do you fill your seats? By winning football games. What we’re talking about here won’t really bring any fans in if I’m not winning. It’s on the margin. But when I bought the team and told you then, I wanted to bring South Florida together and see what it can do to enhance the community. Miami is growing and becoming one of the great cities of the world. It’s probably the hottest city in the world right now. It’s the most aspirational city in the world right now. And it needs to bring marquee events and establish itself there. This will help bring marquee events. We’re talking about BCS Bowls and Super Bowls and I guarantee we’ll get that. [Events] do want to be in Miami. But you don’t want to give them an excuse not to come to Miami. Right now, there’s an excuse for them not to come to Miami. Why? Because of the facility. In addition, we will take it upon ourselves to bring other marquee events to Miami. As you saw, two days ago we announced the Guinness International Cup with Fox Sports to bring eight international teams to participate in a tournament. It will also be in other cities with the semifinals and finals to be played in Miami. The idea is to make this a recurring international event with major impact. That’s major. That’s major for the local economy. It’s economic development. That means jobs. Who’s benefiting? It’s really a public-private partnership.”


    Really like this guy as our owner.

    Really Miami, you don't want to parter up with the NFL and the Miami Dolphins, you sure you don't care?, you sure your city doesn't benefit economically by having a world class franchise in the biggest sport in america.?

    "But you saw what happened when other cities built facilities and we continued to be in the Orange. Bowl. There was a 10-year hiatus of Super Bowls … When they built Joe Robbie, the Super Bowl came back so you can say we had 10 Super Bowls in 37 years. I’m betting on that, and I’m betting on the fact that this is the legacy I want to give the community.”

    Q: Can a future owner sustain the Dolphins here in this existing stadium without renovations?

    Ross: “I don’t think so. If we’re winning and doing all the right things, the answer is yes. Will we be having marquee events? No. Would it be kind of a laughingstock? Yes..

    Personally, I don't want to put 400 mill into that sh&$hole, because I know the money is not going to change the integrity of the structure, thus not improving what makes a true home field advantage, but these improvements will at east help what it currently is.. which is a laughing stock to the opponent..
     
  2. CANEPHINS

    CANEPHINS No Tats & Dreads Allowed

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    I agree 100 times over with what he said and there is zero, repeat zero, reason for a single no vote.
     
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  3. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    If the bed tax estimates are correct, the worst case scenario for Miami-Wade county will be to pocket over $2.5M/year for 26 years with no liability. Good for Mr. Ross.
     
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  4. SICK

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    I've bee defending this guy since day one. I don't think he's ever tried to mettle. He has been candid and honest and paid any dollar necessary to try to win. He's made mistakes, sure. He was a new nfl owner. I am rooting for the guy and I am rooting for the dolphins. So I have his back as long as he has ours and the teams best interest at heart.
     
  5. Not So Fast

    Not So Fast Well-Known Member

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    Someone please give Ross a billion dollars to build a new stadium.
     
  6. Drowning

    Drowning ONCE MORE UNTO THE BREACH

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    I guess it was just me but I kinda got a tone of "I'll be selling after the 5 year agreement". Either way, I agree entirely. And I don't love the guy but I don't see what makes him a bad owner. He's willing to dish out cash, he stays out of the coaches way (as far as I know)- doesn't seem like a bad dude (sucks that he's got the freaky look rocking like a villain in a Bond movie).

    Another note, economy is tough in Miami. Everything here is expensive through the nose. Hope a winning team really does change that. Though, if I was a fan that could afford it, I'd buy season tickets no matter what the product on the field is. You've ever had a terrible tail-gating Sunday? Some games can make a true fan want to cry but it's always a good time at the stadium or you're not doing it right. Plus, team is bad, give tickets to friends, co-workers, clients. I wouldn't turn down free tickets, even to watch the Marlins.
     
  7. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    He's a huge fan who has a sense of business. It's really as simple as that, IMO.
     
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  8. I'm all over that. I just sent my kids in there to start rolling quarters as we speak. Shouldn't be long now...
     
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  9. electrolyte

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    Yeah, I would like more events down here. As I recall, around 2006 or so, people wanted to host events down here but there was complaining in the news that our stadiums and arena are not adequate for it. I think the 2006 MTV music awards was down here and they used the AAA but they said it was too small and they didn't really want to come back if they could help it.

    Los angeles and New york have a bunch of suitable venues. We need some more.
     
  10. sports24/7

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    I thought that part of the plan was to move the seats close to the field? That would definitely give us more of a home field advantage, being on top of the field instead of 100 ft away from it.
     
  11. jw3102

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    As a long time Dolphin fan and a season ticket holder, I agree with you. Yet as I have stated many times, the vast majority of the voters in Miami-Dade County are NOT Dolphin fans and all they seem to care about is that they have no interest in voting for any type of tax money for another sports stadium in this county.

    Hopefully only those of us who are willing to vote for the referendum will show up at the polls on the day the issue is put before voters, but I already have heard many voters who have stated they will vote no. They just don't believe that any tax dollars should be used to help pay for renovations on a privately owned stadium. The fact that the vast majority of these dollars will be paid by visitors who stay in hotels in Miami-Dade County appears to be irrelevant to them.

    I really don't see anything Ross or the Dolphin organization can do to change the minds of voters who oppose this referendum. They just don't have enough time to educate the voters before the election and when the majority of the voters could care less about the football team, it just doesn't look good for the passage of this referendum. I just hope I am wrong about which way this vote will turn out.
     
  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You don't have to be a dolphin a dolphin fan to understand the importance of this situation, it's about your city staying relevant, it's about your city being able to compete with other world class cities, it's about your image and ability to lure clients and tourists from around the world, bottom line, it's about your city making money, and none of that requires you to be a fan of a football team, just a wee bit of common sense and a sense of developing culture and vision..When Ross talks about that he's from real estate and he understands the importance of this project and what it means long term to the economy and world image, I understand that point, not from a dolphin fan perspective.
     
  13. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    Except a vast majority of the non Dolphins fans are Jets fans, mixed in with Bills and Pats fans. They will never vote yes because of the rivalry. Them voting yes could mean a harder time for them to purchase tickets to games when their team visits.

    A vast majority of them will never see any of the future revenues go into their individual pockets so it won't matter one bit for them to vote no. Many of them do not consider Miami anything more than their winter homes so they won't give two chits about other sporting events here because they will occur mostly during the times when they're back up north.

    It's not going to be easy for the Dolphins to win this vote. But I do think it will be a lot closer than many people seem to think.
     
  14. Stringer Bell

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    Think it gets passed.

    Special elections usually have an extremely low turnout. This one is in May. Is a non-Dolphins fan really going to stand in the heat just to vote against a $0.01 bed-tax increase?

    Also important to note that most major business organizations in Miami-Dade support this. There is a pretty substantial voter base that wants to see this passed. Money is a huge factor in special elections.
     
  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    thats an excellent point, and something that hasn't been talked about, it's actually a motivating factor for rival fans to go out and vote against...not good..
     
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  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Like Oz said, a jet fan would..your thoughts on that point?
     
  17. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Unfortunately in Miami, you do have to be a Dolphin fan to care about this issue. I just haven't run into many voters who are not Dolphins fans who are in favor of supporting this referendum. Most people who never go to the stadium or are not Dolphin fans seem to feel that if Ross wants to upgrade his stadium, he should spend his own money to do so.

    You state that you understand Ross's viewpoint from an economic and world image perspective. Personally the only benefit I see in upgrading the stadium with tax dollars is that it will guarantee that the Dolphins remain in South Florida for at least another 30 years. As a Dolphin fan, that is my only concern. I have no problem with the stadium as it is right now and I have attended hundreds of Dolphin and Hurricane games over the years in the stadium.

    I don't understand the need for the covering they are purposing for the stadium. It looks terrible and it won't make the stadium any cooler during the early part of the season. If they are putting on this covering to satisfy the NFL, because the NFL is concerned about possible rain during a SB, that is crazy. The SB game will be played outdoors next year in New Jersey. The chances of bad weather in early February in New Jersey is much greater than bad weather in Miami during that time of year. Yet the NFL has no problem holding a SB in New Jersey in the middle of the winter.

    I will vote for the referendum because it will keep the Dolphins in Miami for another 30 years. If not for this agreement, I really would see no other reason to support a tax increase. We have plenty of tourist in South Florida in the winter months, SB or no SB. I don't go to concerts at the stadium and I have absolutely no interest in attending soccer matches at the stadium, or anywhere else for that matter. I like watching the Dolphins and Hurricanes at the stadium now and I really don't see the need for renovations. I just want to see the Dolphins remain in Miami and the only way I can assure they will be here for the next 30 years is to vote for the referendum.

    As a Dolphin fan, I have no problem voting to ensure they will remain in Miami. Unfortunately the vast majority of the voters in Miami are not Dolphin fans and I just don't think many of them care if the Dolphins remain in Miami or not. In a few weeks, the vote will take place and we will see how the majority of the voters who show up at the voting booth actually feel about this issue. Of course that is if the bill passes the state legislature supporting the Dolphins getting these tax dollars. Right now there is still a very big question if this bill will be passed before the legislature ends it session in just a couple of weeks. If it doesn't pass the state legislature, it is a dead issue anyway.
     
  18. Stringer Bell

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    I dont buy it. Why would a Jet fan necessarily be motivated to actually go vote against it? Is the benefit to him/her enough to justify taking hours out of their work day to vote? This isn't sitting on your computer and clicking a mouse, it's a chore that takes up valuable time.

    Also consider that Jet fans sit in that stadium too, and would benefit from the canopy, better seats, better food, etc.
     
  19. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Jet fans, if they go to the game in the first place, only go to one game a year at the stadium. If you only go to one game a year, why would you care about the food, the seats, or a canopy over your head?
    I go to at least 13 games in the stadium each year, between the Dolphins and the Hurricanes and I really don't care about such things. All I care about is the product on the field.

    I guess I attended too many games at the old Orange Bowl to be concerned with such ridiculous items. I eat before I go to the game and the seats are much more comfortable than what I used to sit on in the old Orange Bowl. As far as the canopy is concerned, it is a complete waste of money. There is absolutely nothing wrong with sitting in the heat, humidity and sometimes rain to watch a football game in South Florida.
    We have been doing it forever and I don't see the need to change it.

    As I have stated many times. This vote is about keeping the Dolphins in Miami for another 30 years and that is why I am voting for the referendum. As far as all the upgrades are concerned, we really don't need them at all. There appears to be a lot of spoiled fans who only want to go to games if they are sitting in a state of the art facility. Sorry, but those aren't real fans, as far as I am concerned. In fact I would still be going to the old dilapidated Orange Bowl to watch games if it were still standing and Dolphins and Hurricanes still played there. It isn't the stadium which is important to true fans. It is the game itself and that is all that really matters.

    Improvement to stadiums are done for one reason only. To raise the revenues for the owner of the team. You can talk all you want to about providing jobs or helping the locale economy, but these are merely code phrases for the team raking in more money for every event held in the stadium. I love the Dolphins and I want them to stay for at least 30 more years. But please don't try to convince me that upgrading the stadium will provide a great big economic benefit for the entire county, because I just don't buy it.
     
  20. djphinfan

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    The stadium is not a draw, the venue is and has been, flawed, the residual impact of that is being felt, by both your favorite programs, and the Super Bowl committee..

    This is about staying in competition with other big cities who now have first class facilities, or ones that are building them, something we do not have..first class facilities is the draw..

    He's laying it out in black and white J-Dub..it's not hard to grasp the concept..

    See Jerry jones..

    The roof needs to happen because of shade, plain and simple..the 1 clock sun is ruining the energy of the crowd, that is absolutely true, it's keeping people away, it's making people show up late, stand in the hallways, or simply putting them on their *** in their seats, their focus is not on supporting the players it's on hydrating themselves and their kids, it impedes their ability to engage into the game, I think it's about the only good thing that will come of this whole renovation..

    There's no way for 350 mill they can gut the joint and structurally move the stands closer, so we will continue to have home field issues, but like I've said a million times, anything, a few extra rows added is better than the situation that their in now.
     
  21. UMiamiAlum

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    Not only does this need to happen for the Dolphins, it also needs to happen for the Hurricanes.
     
  22. gamblerx

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    who votes in dade county?
     
  23. jw3102

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    I don't buy it. The Dolphins have been playing one o'clock games since 1966. I remember over 75,000 fans sitting in the sun enjoying the Dolphins playing week after week and there was plenty of energy in the stands because the Dolphins were a winning organization. What is keeping people away from the stadium is the constant losing which has been taking place with the Dolphin organization for the past decade.

    I'm 62 years old and I can sit through a game without having to constantly hydrate myself every few minutes. Last year my wife and I took our grandsons, ages 4 and 6 to a one o'clock game. My wife took extra water into the stadium and the only time I had to get up to get food and drink for my grandsons was during halftime. Yes it was hot and humid, but that is the weather in Miami during the early part of the football season. My grandsons never complained about the heat. All they wanted to know after the game was when I was going to bring them to another game. They said that being at the game was a lot more fun than watching it on TV.

    The Marlins organization complained about having to play at Sun Life stadium. They claimed that they needed a new stadium with a roof that they could open and close, depending on the weather conditions. They now have one of the top stadiums in the entire major league. They also still have one of the lowest attendance figures in all of baseball. The reason is because they are a losing team and South Florida fans will not fill up stadiums for losing teams. It is as simple as that.

    You seem to think that attracting SB's and other events to Sun Life stadium is important to the South Florida economy. I don't think having a Super Bowl or even a College National Championship game really does much for the overall economy, because these events are held at a time of the year when South Florida is already full of tourists. As I have stated numerous times, I will vote for the referendum only because it will guarantee that the Dolphins remain in Miami for another 30 years. Certainly not because the renovations may or may not bring more events to the stadium and most certainly not because of a covering, which I think is totally unnecessary.

    I know a lot of former season ticket holders who have given up their tickets in recent years. I also know some people who used to go to a few games a year and they no longer attend games. Not a single person I know who have stopped going to games have stated that they no longer go because of the stadium or the lack of a covering for the stadium. They quit going because they no longer wanted to go to the games because they felt the Dolphins were not putting a good product on the field. Start winning and the stadium will once again fill up, renovations or no renovations.

    You and I may not agree on why this referendum needs to pass, but when all is said and done, we both want to see the voters vote in favor of it.
     
  24. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I do for one. I have voted in every single election held in Miami-Dade county since 1968. If you don't vote, you have no right to complain about the results or the politicians elected to serve you. Heck. I even voted by absentee ballot when I was serving out of the country, while in military in the early 1970's.
     
  25. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The orange bowl and it's venue dynamics engaged you into a football game..

    "You seem to think that attracting SB's and other events to Sun Life stadium is important to the South Florida economy, I dont"

    This is your quote...ok, wait a minute, wait a second, listen.....Screeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!

    Yes, I think it's important to maintain a competitive facility, a facility that doesn't give reasons not to come to Miami, or give reasons to go somewhere else..no disrespect, you seem not to not understand the concept of exposure.
     
  26. jw3102

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    I don't buy it. The Dolphins have been playing one o'clock games since 1966. I remember over 75,000 fans sitting in the sun enjoying the Dolphins playing week after week and their was plenty of energy in the stands because the Dolphins were a winning organization. What is keeping people away from the stadium is the constant losing which has been taking place with the Dolphin organization for the past decade.

    I'm 62 years old and I can sit through a game without having to constantly hydrate myself every few minutes. Last year my wife and I took our grandsons, ages 4 and 6 to a one o'clock game. My wife took extra water into the stadium and the only time I had to get up to get food and drink for my grandsons was during halftime. Yes it was hot and humid, but that is the weather in Miami during the early part of the football season. My grandsons never complained about the heat. All they wanted to know after the game was when I was going to bring them to another game. They said that being at the game was a lot more fun than watching it on TV.

    The Marlins organization complained about having to play at Sun Life stadium. They claimed that they needed a new stadium with a roof that they could open and close, depending on the weather conditions. They now have one of the top stadiums in the entire major league. They also still have one of the lowest attendance figures in all of baseball. The reason is because they are a losing team and South Florida fans will not fill up stadiums for losing teams. It is as simple as that.

    You seem to think that attracting SB's and other events to Sun Life stadium is important to the South Florida economy. I don't think having a Super Bowl or even a College National Championship game really does much for the overall economy, because these events are held at a time of the year when South Florida is already full of tourists. As I have stated numerous times, I will vote for the referendum only because it will guarantee that the Dolphins remain in Miami for another 30 years. Certainly not because the renovations may or may not bring more events to the stadium and most certainly not because of a covering, which I think is totally unnecessary.

    I know a lot of former season ticket holders who have given up their tickets in recent years. I also know some people who used to go to a few games a year and they no longer attend games. Not a single person I know who have stopped going to games have stated that they no longer go because of the stadium or the lack of a covering for the stadium. They quit going because they no longer wanted to go to the games because they felt the Dolphins were not putting a good product on the field. Start winning and the stadium will once again fill up, renovations or no renovations.

    You and I may not agree on why this referendum needs to pass, but when all is said and done, we both want to see the voters vote in favor of it.
     
  27. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I also agree that the most important issue about it passing is to keep the dolphin here for a long time, but that also completely affects the economic dynamics of south Florida, your talking about securing an NFl franchise long term, that J-dub, will have tremendous economic impact.
     
  28. jw3102

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    I do agree that keeping the Dolphins long term does create a positive economic impact over time. I just am not sold on the idea that a Super or a College National championship held during the height of the South Florida tourism season really has much effect at all on the economy. Hotels are already full during January and February. All these games do is give a reason for the hotel industry to raise hotel rates for these events.
    This raising of rates actually hurts the pocketbooks of those tourist who want to visit South Florida during the time of these events, but have no other interest in actually watching or being involved in activities related to these games. I have always felt that the dollar amounts quoted to show the economic impact of these events have been greatly exaggerated.

    Don't worry though, you still have by yes vote for the referendum, because I want to see the Dolphins remain in South Florida for long time.
     
  29. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Superbowls help the local economy..come on man, I don't have the energy to argue that no brainer...your not even accounting for the exposure part of the city showcasing itself for two weeks while the eyes of the world are upon us, that exposure will have great economic impact on tourism. Image is everything..exposure is everything.
     
  30. jw3102

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    Sorry but I remember when over 75,000 fans used to show up at Joe Robbie stadium. The games were exciting and the crowds were loud and into the games. Of course the Dolphins were also highly competitive and were a playoff team on a regular basis. I don't think any fans had trouble remaining engaged in the dynamics of the game because they were sitting in Joe Robbie stadium and not in the old Orange Bowl.

    As far as me thinking attracting SB's and other events are important to the economy. It certainly isn't me trying to sell that idea. That is the idea that Ross and the Dolphins organization is trying to sell to the voting public. They are the ones saying that if the Dolphins don't get one of two future SB's or a certain number of events in the future, they will not go forward with the planned renovations or they will pay a certain amount of money back to the county. They are trying to get the votes by trying to convince the voting public that these events will create a huge economic impact for the area.

    As far as your comment that it is important we maintain a competitive facility. This is where you and I have a major difference. I see nothing wrong with the stadium the way it is right now. I am comfortable when I go to the games and it is quite loud when the Dolphins actually give their fans reason to cheer.

    As far as me not understanding the concept of exposure for South Florida. I certainly understand why people should want to come to visit South Florida. We have great winter weather and you can basically be outside 365 days a year. We have great dining establishments, great beaches, golf courses, and outstanding hotels. We have a muti-cultural community that is open to visitors from all over the world. If not having a state of the art football stadium is the reason someone or some league wants to avoid coming to Miami for an event. I really have no interest in them visiting South Florida in the first place. If the stadium is good enough for thousands of Dolphin fans each year, it should be good enough for a few infrequent visitors to our great city.
     
  31. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I wasn't aware that we needed this exposure to increase tourism in South Florida. The last I heard, the hotels are basically full during the winter tourist season and we haven't had a SB in Miami for the past few years.
    There are plenty of events which give a lot of exposure to South Florida during that time of year and they happen year in and year out.

    These include the South Florida boat show, the PGA golf tournaments in South Florida, and the tennis tournament in Key Biscayne. Also hundreds of thousands of people are exposed to South Florida when they take cruises out of the ports in Miami and Broward county. If tourism were down, maybe the exposure during a SB would be important. That just isn't the case and South Florida has seen an increase every year in tourism since the economy rebounded in 2010.

    Just so you know, many more visitors come to South Florida every year to play golf and enjoy the beaches than to attend a football game. I am sure a SB helps some economies up north which have few tourist during the middle of the winter. Whatever impact it has in Miami and South Florida would be minimal in comparison to the economic impact it would have on these Northern sites. In fact if the NFL is looking to have the largest economic impact for the area a Super Bowl is played. They should hold all the SB's in stadiums up north in an effort to increase tourism and help the economics of these communities during the winter months.
     
  32. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    Not going to turn this into politics, but I'm 48 and have never voted on politicians. Never have and never will and I do have a right to complain. One, I pay my taxes, so I can say whatever I want about those scumbags. Two, give me someone worth while of voting for and I might vote. Until then, I have no interest in voting
     
  33. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

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    [/FONT] I have to think the county residents who would vote against this referendum are those who don’t know what they’re voting on or have an agenda.

    Here is the agreement.
    http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2013/04/10/00/24/1bOjYd.So.56.pdf

    This is what I read, I could be wrong. It wouldn’t be the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] time.

    The sales tax credit ($3M) is a state issue but I’m going to guess the increase in property value for Sun Life Stadium will balance out the local impact of the credit.

    The Dolphins will be in Miami for 30 years.

    If the Dolphins actually receive the estimated $289M over the next 26 years the county will also receive at least $96M. There is no way the Dolphins receive more.

    The county pockets all overages from the bed tax once a $4M shortfall account is funded.


    There is no payment by the county until the funds have been deposited from the bed tax.

    If the bed tax estimates are underestimated the Dolphins and the county split the pot 75%/25%.

    Stephen Ross has signed a personal guarantee to cover any shortfalls as far as his financing is concerned.

    Stephen Rose has guaranteed a floor as far as prime-time events are concerned. He’s liable for penalties up to $120M if not delivered.

    Am I missing something?
     
  34. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    no your not missing anything, just some folks who refuse to open their minds a crack, and keep regurgitating the same ole sh&$..

    There's no fu&$ing risk, only gain..

    But he's a billionaire and he should pay for it himself..waaaaaawaaaaaaawaaaa.

    Ps, the marlins fu&$ed this city so vote no on the dolphin referendum..

    Big city needs to start thinking acting like one that has some pride.
     
  35. Ozzy

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    I highly doubt that the turnout will be very low. Lots of people are talking about voting that I've spoke to. Just this morning I talked 3 females into voting yes but had I not filled them in on things they were going, and going to vote no. All three are Dolphins fans and none of them had read a single sentence on how the proposal was worded. They simply said the Marlins screwed the City already and they were spreading the word to go vote no. Glad I changed their minds. Or should I say, I hope no one else changes them back...

    As for fans like the Jets taking the time out of their day to vote no. With no renovations the Dolphins will have to be damned good for the Jets fans to have trouble getting GREAT seats. With renovations and some wins it will be much more difficult.
     
  36. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Dallas cowboys announced that they will host the first annual college football playoffs at Jerry world..

    This is important, it's another huuuuuuge event that we will not be in play for if the stadium is not renovated, imagine if we get into that rotation holy sh&$...

    Spread it around..
     
  37. So because Dallas won that bid it leads you to the conclusion that Miami is unable to win that bid unless they renovate their stadium. Get real dude..... What else you gonna fling at the wall or do you have some evidence to support your claim?
     
  38. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Why do you think the NCAA went to Dallas first?, gilleys?... Chili?
     

  39. No NO No it's obviously because Miami has not approved stadium renovations as you suggest. You speculation is the only evidence I need. I am very sure they would of begged Miami if they had only renovated Sun Life. :shifty:
     
  40. Stringer Bell

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    What other reason would there be for Miami not getting that bid?
     

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