....Main anyway In the 6 handed $2500 buy in about 5 years ago Andy Bloch knocked me out his q10 vs 99 Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2
Let me clarify I'm not *****ing, pot was raised and called by super aggressive kid I shove those 2 obviously fold, he tanks amd with his stack reluctantly calls. Q on turn. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2
Sec, if you've got the scratch to play the $5/$10 PLO in the Bellagio you could play in one of the bracelet events. Only $1000 to $2500 for them and, while difficult, making the money in them is not the Herculean effort it is in the main event. I DESPERATELY want a bracelet lol. The problem with the main event isn't just the 7000 or so people in it. It's that the level of comp is ridiculous. In most bracelet events there are usually 2-3 people at your table you can hone in on as targets to felt. In the main event you're lucky if there is one at your table and everyone goes after them like a pirrhana after a bleeding cow. Fin I hate 99. Nothing good ever happens to me with it. Unless I'm on a low m and desperate I almost treat it like a low pair these days. We're you anywhere near the money when Bloch busted you?
Not really, I was lower than average in chips and with the wild kids raise and a flat call from Bloch and player X I just thought it was a good spot to chip up to about avg. With the $ in pot I liked my situation in a flip, when you are forced to play against 3300 people kinda gotta take your medicine. Update here got a top 5-6 stack 28 ppl left. Structure sucks but its more of a day out with the boss. He's a true degenerate. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2
Surprised Bloch called with something as weak as Q 10. But he's such a math wiz I'm sure the numbers supported it. The Aggressive kid probably sweetened the pot enough to bring him in.
My thoughts also...he was limping trying to catch the uber aggressive fish n found himself in an odd spot. He tanked for a few and called. Even funnier is next tournament I'm in I'm playing another event. Right after dinner break I get KK raise 4.5 bb...flop is Qc 6s 9s I lead out the pot..he thinks re pops all in barely has me covered. ..turns over Q-10spades. Turns a 10. Game over Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2
OK this was bugging me so I tried to logic out why Bloch would call with such a weak holding and a player left to act behind him. Mind you I don't know amounts involved but I think I see the logic. He raised with a marginal holding. I doubt he did it in early position. Probably mid position figuring he might secure the blinds or hit a flop and get a payday. If not no biggie, he just dumps it on the flop. A pleyer who is identified as super aggressive calls behind him. Since this player is identified as aggressive he probably makes him for a marginal holding such as a small pair or mid suited connectors. The kind of hand he could be paid for if her hits and can also bluff position if he misses. Further behind another player (Obviously no idea on how he made you) on a semi small stack shoves. Normally the player who is left behind him would probably scare most people out without the consideration of the all in player. However, in this case a super aggressive player who you already make for a marginal hand is going to fold to the all in raise. If this was a tighter player I think he has to dump it. So if we are disregarding the middle player the thorny issue becomes what do you have? A complete bluff is possible but not likely. This kind of bet in this situation usually means a couple of things, A. you would be happy taking the blinds. B. You are still willing to tangle if you get called. Most likely you have some kind of hand. Personally given that you are the instigator I would put your range on mid pairs and up. (77's through AA's.) It's an aggressive move with 77''s or 88's but definitely possible. Especially since you are running an effective squeeze play. Also the higher pairs could still make this play on a semi small stack so you can't discount them. QQ would suck for him if you had it, but since he is holding a Q the probability of it is discounted. On non pair hands I think very few of them are not a bluff. Since I don't think you are bluffing I would say you could very easily have made the bet with AK. It makes a lot of sense if you think I have a mid pair. Since you get to see all five cards by going in you have the 50% shot to beat me instead of the only 30% to hit an A or K on a flop with a lesser bet and you know I would put you in on the flop with a smaller pair and no bigs on the flop. I also think AQ could make the bet, but after that I think it starts to stretch it into the bluffing zone with lesser hands. So lets say I think AK or has about a 20% chance of being the hand. AQ about 10% AA or KK about a 15% QQ about 5% 1010 or JJ about 15% 77-99 about 25% and a bluff of some kind about 10% For Q 10 to beat you he would be 40% against AK (*.25) = .1 25% against AQ (*.10) = .025 20% against KK or AA (*.15) = .03 10% against QQ (*.05) = .005 30% against 1010 or JJ (*.15) = .045 50% against 77-99 (*.15) = .075 Against a bluff its a little hard to calculate but let's say 60% vs bluff (*.10) = .06 So cumulatively based off of this he would be roughly 34% to win the hand against the likely distribution of what you had. He would need a little less than 2 to 1 to make a call worthwhile so with the sweetener from the other player in the pot my guess is he was getting odds of probably pretty close to this knowing what a math based player Andy is. Conversely if the other player in the pot was tighter it would have made it harder to make your all in bet, but I think he absolutely would have had to fold if he didn't also perceive the extra player as very aggressive. The squeeze part of the bet probably is what sent him in the tank even more than the odds. Sorry to take the conversation so far astray but I find mental situations like this fascinating. This is the kind of hand where the average guy playing at home thinks Andy is calling like a maniac when in fact the numbers support it.
every year around December, I resolve to take a 2 week trip to play events, and every year, life intrudes.
There is a flip side to this coin, and it always bumps up against the math players. Why would you call thin, if you consider yourself a bigger favorite than 2 to 1 vs. your opponent (in the long run)?
IMO, a player such as Bloch calling against a known maniac (the kid) and an unknown..for what is in essence your tournament with QT...he almost HAS TO KNOW he is flipping vs. 99.
It's an argument you can make but A it's a known that Bloch is a big time math player so this would be exactly how he thinks. And B unless you make a guy as an out and out poor player it is hard to think that you are better than 2 to 1 against even unknowns in these events. The average Joe player that shows up these days isn't a chump. Plus in a tourney with escalating blinds you have to take your shots when they come. The blinds move too much for you to wait for perfect spots. Your logic betrays you as a cash game player where this type of thinking is 100% correct.
I'll reply to your lengthy post when I'm on a regular computer. By the way 6 place finish pretty much got me my money back waste of time. Reason being he was the last person to act so maybe I explained it wrong. Will clarify it soon as I can Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2
That is THE reason i hate tournament poker. All that grinding away and your are most likely to only get your money back in the end. The payouts arent enough in tourneys IMO. I'd much prefer cash games. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
For starters thanks to Boik for letting us go completely off topic for a lil while. Even though there are like 9-10 of us on here regularly(unless the Heat win something then here comes the herd) technically we are being "bad boys" and straying from the threads purpose. Love you Boik. As far as the hand goes I can give you a better explanation because you and Section clearly have the poker aptitude to understand the situation. And the more it's coming back to me he was NOT last to act he was the little blind because the goofball was to his left and while Andy was contemplating the call he was obviously uninterested and was folding to my raise and the player who just called obviously had a marginal hand aswell. I don't remember the chipstacks obviously so I'm going to try and MOCK the situation to the best of my memory. Blinds 6-1200 Guessing 5-6 limpers.. Aggressive kid(55k) big blind...raises it up to 4800 Another LAG (45k) flat calls Around to me (20k) shoves all in 9-9 Bloch (60k) small blind Q-10 off. Call. I remember being a little baffled by his call, but was so distraught didnt bother to factor in the math and just chalked it up to that being the case since the dude was smart enough to count cards for a living. The reason I didn't raise in early position is because to me I didn't want to take a flop out of position with that kind of hand. My plan was to shove on a raise or hope to flop a set vs the limpers. Honestly I remember being happy the kid raised and the guy next too him Just called. I figured he had built a good pot for me too take down with a pretty decent size shove. I sure didnt put Andy on a call since he just limped. So I was 100% banking on taking it down Pre, or going up against a Kj or something. Was the math right or did his reads of the other 2 throwing out dead money tempt him into a call?? Dunno. I know I wasn't playing many hands so a middle pair had to be best case for him vs me. The fact that it was a pretty good chunk of his chips still has me puzzled, I wouldn't take that chance math or not. Ofcourse he plays in every event they offer so taking those chances make more sense if you can just wake up and play another tournament tommorow.
Agree, the return on investment isn't there in most cases. More than the $ I just like needling the boss that in 8 tournaments I have 2 wins(1 split) and 2 final tables, while in 9 he has one cash. So it's more for fun and practice incase I find my way in an event this June. Tournaments provide life changing $ and as Tree said, sporting one of those shiny bracelets sure would be nice.
Thanks for the explanation. I'm now really confused. He was only getting 1.8 to 1 with minimal investment and TWO players behind with large enough stacks to put him on life support. He's a bright guy so I have to believe he has a reason but that would have been an insta-fold from me. Was actually an awesome situation for you. 50/50 on a chance to increase your stack to 275% it's current size. Ill take that every day. And thanks for letting us veer off course Boik!
Yea, even if my chipstack estimations were off I still remember telling my GF I hated his call in that spot afterward, and I still do. And yea, I was happy about my spot until the queen peeled. Those big MTT's are just so emotionally draining, me n her just watched movies the rest of the evening. I had thought my WSOP was over then I took down a 500 sit n go winner take all. (Actually split with one guy) bought in the 1500 event and sold the 1k. Already told you the results of that one, lol. And thanks, now my blood is boiling and I'm going to piss of my woman and go play another event this year.
Even more than the amounts it's about the two players behind him. Too much risk too little reward to me. I love being a bad influence!
If it ends up true I certainly won't be happy but I'll hope for the best. Much like the Dolphins, I will get over decisions I don't agree with and root for the results I want.
Its probably not why he mentioned that it sucks to be Cleveland. The real reason is still a while away. This probably wont help though.
Just a completely uninspired, ill considered hire. Simply ridiculous. I feel for you my friend. The last time an NBA team felt it needed to "right a wrong", the Orlando Magic rehired Brian Hill several years after he had been forced out by Penny Hardaway. As anyone with an ounce of intelligence or critical thinking skills could have figured out, Penny Hardaway was completely correct in his assessment of Hill who proved, for the second time, to be a terrible coach and he was fired less than 3 years later...again. As a Heat fan, I love it, since the Cavs have basically conceded any shot at LBJ, which leaves only the Lakers as semi-legitimate competition afetr next season.
Alright, time to get back on topic. Melo will truely show Lebron what "efficiency" is tonight... I'm thinking 33-9-5 on 13 shots and one solid elbow too KG's head.
Lets hope for all those things and a Knicks win. But i want 2 elbows to KG's head. From Kmart and Tyson. I dont want Melo getting involved in BS.
