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Dion Jordan?

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by jim1, Apr 25, 2013.

  1. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Wow.
     
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  2. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    Good luck blocking us NFL.
     
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  3. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Love this pick, absolutely love it.
     
  4. Not So Fast

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  5. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    If you're expecting a great pass rusher in Jordan, I just don't see it. He's an intriguing athlete, but this is not a top level pass rusher, certainly not an Aldon Smith caliber pass rusher. Watch the film, Jordan consistently gets ridden out wide by OTs, big time.
     
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  6. Bpk

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    Agreed. He is a great 3-4 OLB. Amazing from two pony stance moving laterally.

    I hope he supplants Misi on run downs
     
  7. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Kinda what was said about JT.
     
  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yep, and I'd suggest one does not quite realize what one is seeing.

    Meaning, gosh, a college player in that damnable semi pro league has not counter moves b/c the staff wouldn't teach him any as their time was spent elsewhere..sure.

    Now watch his first step, watch when he drops his shoulder and bends his ankles..that Jim1, is what a speed rusher looks like

    Everything works off of it, one has it, or one does not, want to see counter moves with no real speed then watch Demontre' Moore
     
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  9. Canad-phin

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    Padre I couldn't agree more. This guy could totally be a Aldon Smith like effect, or Bruce Irvin. If he brings us 8-12 sacks as a rook I will go nuts.
     
  10. azfinfanmang

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    Right, well here's the rub.

    To move up to the #3 overall for him, he better get that many and then consistently get better.

    I really don't get this pick.....at all.
     
  11. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I am very, very interested in seeing how he's used by Coyle.

    That's the biggest mystery to me. I know what he is and I've always liked what he is. I'm just not sure exactly in what way he fits. But Kevin Coyle knows a lot more about his own plans than I do!
     
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  12. azfinfanmang

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    Well, he almost has to play Sam I would imagine, and that's maybe nit a bad thing.

    As far as being a straight up pass-rusher, I honestly don't see it. I will say that his athleticism will allow them to flex what he does as linebacker. While I'm not high in him, he does have the ability to cover guys very well or stunt and blitz. That, I would imagine, is where he will get sacks.
     
  13. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    I like the JT comparison a bit; but, of course, JT was a 3rd round pick.

    The potential is here, for sure, he's pretty freakishly athletic at nearly 6'7 and running 4.6. But, it was a costly trade (not by the beloved trade chart standards; but in other ways).
     
  14. ckparrothead

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    The nickel defense is pretty much the NFL's base defense nowadays, so it'll be most interesting seeing how he's used there.
     
  15. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Someone mentioned Ted Hendricks (the Stork) and I like that comparison as well (I'm always about old-school). He needs to work hard but he has potential. I am not looking for huge things in his first year (JT took time to develop as a pass rusher); but if we have some good blitz packages from Coyle (who I think will also use the new ILBs in blitzes) this kid could wreak havoc when freed up!

    Aldon Smith is another useful picture. I don't think he's going to be quite as ready as Smith was (Smith is stronger at this stage, imo). But, Smith didn't start a game his rookie season and worked the nickel package - which is, as CK noted, a standard D these days; and Smith garnered 14.5 sacks.

    If Jordan can be a poor man's Smith his rookie season that would be a benefit to us. If he is 2/3 of Smith - that would give us 9.5 sacks.
     
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  16. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    I'd suggest that you need to watch more film of Jordan. He's one heck of a good athlete- fast and quick, strong, good use of leverage, good against the run and he can cover TE's, excellent back pedal. The problem is that he gets locked up by OTs and ridden out wide too often. He's just not a great pass rusher imo.

    Jordan is a member of a very flawed DE class, including Moore, but imo Moore is better and more talented than you make him out to be. Not nearly as talented as Jordan, but a good player.

    Carradine strikes me as the least flawed DE, except for the blown out knee.

    Anyway, what I'm hoping for now is that Watson makes it to our 2nd rd pick at #54.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdpzGUxkek4
     
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  17. padre31

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    Funny thing is, JT was the second best young DL on that team, we had a player named Lorenzo Brommell who outplayed him as a Rook.
     
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  18. CRL

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    I seriously think we could immediately switch back to a 3-4 and be super effective. Wake is the perfect RUSH while Dion Jordan is the perfect SAM (ability to rush the passer but tons of experience dropping into coverage). I mean, look at this..

    DE - Jared Odrick - Better fit for a 3-4 5-tech anyways.
    NT - Paul Soliai - Better fit as a 3-4 NT.
    DT - Randy Starks - Actually probably better in a 4-3, but very solid 3-4 5-tech.
    SAM - Dion Jordan - Absolutely perfect for this position, solid pass rush ability while having a ton of experience dropping into coverage.
    MIKE - Dannell Ellerbe - The same position he took over for Ray Lewis when he was hurt and became dominate.
    WILL - Phillip Wheeler - Very nice WILL prospect due to coverage ability. Better fit for a 4-3, though.
    RUSH - Cameron Wake - This hurts as he is a better fit for a 4-3 DE but he is an elite player regardless and with Dion Jordan on the opposite side, he'd be great!!

    I know it won't happen and I know we already run a hybrid scheme to a degree anyways, but I am just saying, we can call our base whatever because our front 7 looks great for both scenarios.
     
  19. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    it comes with age
     
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  20. bmicO

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    I'm not that worried about the sack production at college level; a lot of the top rushers in the NFL now didn't have great sack totals their senior years ( Aldon Smith(5.5), Cameron Wake (1), Clay Matthews (4.5),Geno Atkins (3) and Chris Clemons[FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica] (1)) plus he was asked to do a lot of different things and was playing with a hurt shoulder.[/FONT]

    [FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica]To me the mans a freak athlete who you can coach and make better while already being a very good player, i said throughout the build up he was best suited a 3-4 OLB and i hope we see him in that role for us a bit more than some expect. That said if you can't find a way to let this guy make your defense better you shouldn't have a coordinator job in the NFL.[/FONT]
     
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  21. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Lorenzo Bromell was drafted in 1998 along with Kenny Mixon.

    Jason was drafted in 1997.
     
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  22. Bpk

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    I think pressures are overlooked, an he does get those.

    Also, his versatility allows the defense as a whole to do more things, leading to systemic success even if it doesn't show on Dions individual stat sheet.
     
  23. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Bromell with one m. He was a rookie in 1998, a year after Taylor. Taylor had 9 sacks in 1998, more than Bromell.
     
  24. djphinfan

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    :up:
     
  25. padre31

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    Brommel holds our rookie sack record atm, that is what I had in mind
     
  26. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    fixed.
     
  27. Zeke0123

    Zeke0123 message board ******* Club Member

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    Bromell was one of the "Jason Taylor" millionaire club...I think three or four guys were in that club.
     
  28. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    just saw that highlight clip of michael clay the UDFA from oregon, i'm kind of getting worried here a little, dion jordan gets blocked easily on the outside on some plays


    Sent from my iPhone 5 using Tapatalk
     
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  29. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    Just noticed this, and I will probably regret asking this..........but what exactly is a two pony stance?
     
  30. ckparrothead

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    Haven't you ever seen those trick riders like in the circus where they ride around standing up on two horses with one foot on one horse's saddle and the other foot on the other horse?

    What team could block that?
     
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  31. unluckyluciano

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    A team with a moat.
     
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    Lucky with the post of the day
     
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    perhaps a moat is something ross should look into with his renovations,,,, may help "the fan experience" ya know,,, gotta think outside the box
     
  34. unluckyluciano

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    "And now for our half time show, watch a real life dolphin fight the moat's dragon"
     
  35. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    A team of Cowboys. Oh wait...................that's already taken. Damn it.

    Hmmmmm............
     
  36. Ronnie Bass

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    Ohhhh lucky, you should have pulled a George Constanza and exited on the high note
     
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  37. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Rise and Fall: the Lucky Story.
     
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  38. Pandarilla

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    Man, the glorious stop by Brommell on Michael Vick's furious comeback attempt as a rookie was very memorable and impressive.
     
  39. MDHQ

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    Love his game, you can move him all over the place
     

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