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Grade the Dolphins 2013 Draft

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, Apr 27, 2013.

Grade?

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  2. B

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  3. C

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  4. D

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  5. F

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  1. USArmyFinFan

    USArmyFinFan Maximum Effort

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    I give our draft class an A, why the only tape I studied were the highlights I watched after we drafted them. They all looked kick *** to me. Also I am a true homer
     
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  2. Stitches

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    :lol:
     
  3. Die_Nasty

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    Ridiculous grading a draft before they even see the field. Some people's continual negativity is really mind numbing.
     
  4. AdamC13

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    I am giving it a solid B at this point. I think we got one blue-chip player in Jordan and drafted system players that addressed the actual needs on this team...pass rush, CB, OL, RB and TE. More than anything else Miami was lacking depth and this draft provided that.

    Signing a T via FA is all I see that needs to be done this off season or perhaps swinging a deal for Albert is still not out of the question. Ireland may be willing to send over next year's 2nd rounder since this is likely a must win year.
     
  5. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    I think I will be referring to this team and FO as "J.I. Joe" from now on.
     
  6. USArmyFinFan

    USArmyFinFan Maximum Effort

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    I don't get it........ a little help here......
     
  7. padre31

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    Think "GI Joe"

    And, there is a difference between liking moves for prospects in a draft situation and actually disliking or making affirmation before they ever even practice.

    For example I really like Jelani Jenkins' game, and wonder if he an Aldalius Thomas type of player.

    Will he be?

    Have no idea, good sort of prospect to have though.
     
  8. Not So Fast

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    It's good to have depth. It isn't sexy, but you'll be glad those guys are there if the starters are injured.
     
  9. Finfan7273

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    B, I was hoping we would get a safety in the 2-3 round and I don't agree with some of the trading but overall a good draft for us.
     
  10. ToddPhin

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    With this year's free agency and subsequent draft to cover what we did/spent in FA, we're hopefully back on track as an organization moving forward to where next year we can spend more draft picks on top talent available like San Fran admirably did this year.
     
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  11. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    J.I. (Jeff Ireland) Joe (Philbin) = JI Joe
     
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  12. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    How is this a surprise? Did the $90M in FA money not make this pretty predictable???
     
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  13. ToddPhin

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    D minus
     
  14. Vertical Limit

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    I would have liked Shamarko Thomas with one of our early fourth round picks, he would have been nice next to Jones, and eventually replace Clemons.
     
  15. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    Exact grade I give most of your posts...:tongue2:
     
  16. Drowning

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    IMO, staying put would've granted us much better value with not much decrease in skill if any at all, for more talent on our roster. I'll say it and get killed but I'll say it: Dion Jordan is a lot more raw than what you would like to see in a # 3 pick in the draft. A lot more. You guys keep posting highlight videos but it's right there on those very highlights if you can put down the koolade and take off the glasses for 2 shakes of a lamb's tail.

    On the other hand, I am extremely excited about Dion Jordan. There's just so much than can go right with this kid and not very much that can go wrong. Worst case scenario, we have ourselves a DE/OLB that is solid in coverage and contains extremely well. That's worst case.

    Dion Jordan or the trade up is far from why I gave the draft a C. We were bi-polar with trading all draft long. Too much dancing when IMO quantity over quality would've done us more justice. Who knows what you have with these 4-7 guys. Stay put, take BOP at a lacking position ang go into training camp young-heavy.

    We could not afford for the 3rd round to be a wash and as if this moment (lord knows Will Davis may one day break the record for INTs in a season), to me- absolute wash.

    But my biggest concern, our Oline needed fresh blood more than any other position after needs were met. We took 1 olineman in 9 selections with John Jerry liable to eat one of those picks while the tumbleweeds at LT blow by in the background.
     
  17. djphinfan

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    Chris Clemons fits the template of our defense..fast and physical..still an ascending player, been in three systems, this year will be his 2nd in this one, I remember when he came into his 2nd year in Nolan's system, he looked much more comfortable..that first game on the road against buffalo he was the best player on the field...dominated that game.
     
  18. USArmyFinFan

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    Omg so simple lol
     
  19. ToddPhin

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    I take that as a compliment coming from you. Had you given them an A+ I'd be worried. lol
     
  20. PhinishLine

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    Corners don't have to be first Rounders if the QB stays on his ***. Welcome to Miami Dion.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
     
  21. Rocky Raccoon

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    Same here. I'm a big defense guy and I'm really excited about Jenkins. The guy is an athletic freak.
     
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  22. GISH

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    Considering we drafted 3 players who will end up in the ring if honor, and 2 of them in the hof, I give this draft an A.
     
  23. brandon27

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    Meh... I read the first sentence of your post, after flying through the draft picks, and I wrote this off as a waste of my time. Your first few words sum the entire post/thread up to your agenda of hating Ireland, and all of his decisions. Been there, read that.

    If after all the changes this team has undergone this season, people still want to be this negative, then there's no helping them. This team has improved. Through free agency, and through the draft.

    I wasnt the biggest Ireland supporter coming into this offseason either, but... he's done a fine job IMO re-assembling this team to Philbin's needs.

    Just for the sake of being complete... I read through the post now... you end it by being upset saying Ireland didn't draft your favorite player, and that Ireland didnt draft a WR and its baffling to you... Well... we re-signed Hartline. Signed Wallace. Signed Gibson, to replace Bess (which most of us knew was going to happen once Gibson signed), they apparently like Matthews even though he's a bit raw. You really just can't expect after that many changes to the WR position, to actually expect us to draft a WR when we desperately needed a LT, DE/OLB (pass rusher), CB, RB, and TE. I mean... come on... lets be realistic here.

    Then to be even more realistic... to grade a draft now, its pretty insane. We have no idea how these guys are going to perform in the NFL. IMO... if you want to grade it, you need to look at the fact we filled our needs, with great value, good talent, and it should help us tremendously moving forward. How you can grade that as low as you have, is beyond me. Just because its not a guy you're a fan of, or you wanted, doesn't mean its a bad pick. Just because you hate the GM doesnt mean they are bad picks. Wait and see how they develop, then lets have this discussion.

    Ireland gets a pass IMO right now, he's done a solid job this offseason rebuilding the offense, and now the defense through the draft. Things look promising. Nothing less than that. As I said, I wanted to see Ireland replaced after last year, but I've got to say, he's done a nice job rebuilding both sides of the ball to apparently fit Philbin's schemes.
     
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  24. rafael

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    I would have done it a bit differently. Reportedly the Dolphins plan going in was to take Austin or Eifert if Austin went earlier. They had Jordan rated higher, but figured they had no shot at him. I would have preferred a draft of Eifert, Menelik Watson, Jamar Taylor and Bailey at the top. I did have Jordan rated above Eifert and I had pass rusher as a top need as well so I can't be upset with how they went. I just had Watson and Bailey as two guys with best in the draft at their position potential. Of the guys they did pick, I am happy with Jordan whom I had as the best DE in the draft. I'm happy with Taylor who I had as the third best CB for us in terms of fit (behind Hayden and Millner). I really liked Rhodes, but he struggled in off-man on the field and that's what we need our CBs to do. Thomas, I haven't scouted, but he fits positionally and seems like a versatile, smart if perhaps athletically limited prospect. I actually like Will Davis. I get several Utah State games on out here and I think he's got very good ball skills. I like how quickly he reacts and breaks on the ball. Good instincts. He should thrive in off man in the pros. I didn't see the tackling issues many complained about. My guess is that he must have had a bad tackling game that I missed b/c overall, I didn't think he was a bad tackler. I was also good with Jenkins, Sims, Gilleslie and Sturgis. I watch a ton of Gator games. Jenkins is athletic and rangy. At a minimum he should be a STs contributor, but could be more. Gilleslie is intriguing in that he doesn't seem to be great at anything, but he is good at everything. He doesn't have any holes in his game. And he's a guy who got better every year. Sturgis, I like. He struggled a bit last season but is generally very reliable. At a minimum he should be as good as what we had last year in Carpenter and most likely better at about 10% of the cost. I see Sims fitting in the Fasano role. He blocks well and has consistent hands. He should be able to make the same short zone and redzone catches that Fasano made for us last year. I'm not a fan of Don Jones. I think he takes poor angles, reacts slowly and doesn't show great instincts. But he seems very athletic. Maybe Coyle can make something out of that. Overall I would say we got a possible top 5 at his position player in Jordan, a potentially very good starter in Taylor, a potentially very good slot CB in Davis and contributors at TE, RB, K and STs. I gave that a solid 'B' grade FWIW at this point.
     
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  25. azfinfanmang

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    You on medication again GISH?
     
  26. ckparrothead

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    People are entitled to their opinions.

    What I personally dislike is that any grade less than a B is flatly disregarded and marginalized.
     
  27. SF Dolfan

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    I love what we did being aggressive for Jordan. Going after a playmaker on D is just as big as going after playmakers on O. Having a fast, athletic bookend to pair with Wake changes the whole dynamic of our defense. I never expected this and whether or not it works out, I like that we took the shot for one of the guys with truly high-end elite potential. I was pulling for Taylor with our 2nd so that pick excites me too. He's just a good, solid, fast, all-around player at a position of need. If these 2 guys alone do what I anticipate over the next few years, it was a successful draft.

    The rest of the draft did not particularly excite me. Thomas is a good player and a safe pick who seems like he can come in and compete right away. I don't see him as a guy who is likely to become a top tier LT, however. I really liked Watson who went in the pick we traded or a Barret Jones for his versatility and value later on. Even a Quessenberry or Fragel late to develop. I saw primarily need over value with most of our later picks though I really haven't seen enough of most of the guys to make to feel all that strongly. I think Jenkins and Sims are likely to contribute right away and Sturgis is likely to be our kicker. Davis feels like a developmental guy with some upside, but it might take a year or 2. If we get 2 studs and 5 contributors in all that's a definite success.

    I really like that we drafted several db's as it was a very strong class this year.

    I really don't like that we didn't take at least one WR as this was a really deep and strong receiver draft as well. I was drooling over Keenan Allen with how far he fell. Bailey seemed like a great value as well. Heck, take a flyer on Rogers with our 7th before he became an UDFA. I really don't care who it was, I just think there was a ton of value at WR and it would have been wise to take someone. Just because we have 3 locks at the position doesn't mean we should pass on all that talent.
     
  28. ckparrothead

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    I mean look at the distribution of grades and then read the narrative below them. Take an objective look at it all. Everyone gives the draft a B, some give it an A, and the people who give a C (read: 'C' stands for 'average') are the "haters".

    Try and tell me this group are being objective.
     
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  29. TooGoodForDez

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    I gave it a C even tho I feel we did not meet expectations, so I graded a C leaning to D. But I do feel that our draft is top 7-12 draft in the league, 70 percentile. The thing that kept me from giving it a B is: 1) we had 5 picks in top 82 and did not get 5 top 82 players, 2) we traded 3 picks for Davis, 3) we did not come out of the draft with a stud offensive weapon.
     
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  30. azfinfanmang

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    Everybody knows I wasn't down with the Jordan pick..and that's fine. I realize that IF he lives up to expectations, that is one hell of a great deal. Only a 2nd for the chance to move up that high is incredible actually..and so that's fine.

    What I also don't like is the incredible talent that was still on the board after him, and we seem to mostly have whiffed. We did fill CB...maybe, but I still can't figure out how we squandered all those high picks.
     
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  31. TooGoodForDez

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    I don't think he was worth moving up to get. I understand the need to get a DE, but there were plenty that went after him with high grades.

    Yes we did. I am counting will Davis as a backup at best to Taylor and Grimes. This gives them flexibility to unload some salaries in the backfield. I also think Thomas will be the starting guard, so they can unload one of the guards. this gives them flexibility to get Albert. Jelani will be in the rotation. They have completely revamped the LB position. Gillislee is a good pick, but I did not feel they needed a RB, as opposed to Rambo. Sturgis allows them to unload Carpenter too, so that's saving money. This draft was all about needs, to save money, and go after a tackle or tackles, imo. No BPA mentality.
     
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    Have to strongly disagree on a few comments.

    We most certainly DID need an RB. I think we really needed one higher, but I honestly don't know the first thing about Gillislee, so we will see.
    Jelani might or might not be in the rotation. I think he will be a ST player first. Then they MIGHT bring him in on certain passing downs...but I still think that is a maybe at this juncture.

    Taylor should contribute early on. I watched a handful of games last year, and the kid certainly stood out on the smurf-turf.
    I actually do like the Dallas Thomas pick...just think our O-line is still going to seriously struggle. I think Thomas could be the end for Jerry..and that is a good thing.

    Albert won't be available. He won't get cut. Why would they? They can cut him next year and probably get a 3rd Comp pick at the worst.
     
  33. GMJohnson

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    Werd. The D just got a helluva lot more versatile and athletic.
     
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  34. TooGoodForDez

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    I am happy with lamar as #1. Gillislee is deceptively goodat just about everything a RB needs to do. So he is a good #2. Who did you want us to get?
    I would be shocked if Jelani does not make as at least #2 with significant snaps.

    Albert is available now. Reid said he does not mind having him, but he allows teams to talk to his agent about salary terms. We've done that and know what we need to do roster wise to get him. We did not get a tackle in the draft. In one month we'll know more, by June 1st. We can trade future picks for Albert.
     
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    B/c Dallas Thomas seems like a waste pick, was rarely mentioned etc.

    Think Jenkins is going to surprise everyone.

    One thing people are missing is Ireland broke his pattern more than people realize:

    -Dion Jordan-labrum
    -Jelani Jenkins-broken foot, hammy issues, broken thumb
    -Dallas Thomas-torn labrum
    -Dion Sims-got into a gang of trouble with his father in a scheme to steal 100 laptops

    These are not exactly the typical guys we've taken in the past, there is risk here, there is a lot of physical talent.
     
  36. GMJohnson

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    Gillislee and Miller have very similar skill sets. Ideally it'll be those two splitting carries in the base and Thomas as the full time 3rd down/short yardage back.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpE-btmDr28
     
  37. GMJohnson

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    Jordan and Jenkins have they play making ability that the Staff has been talking about since Day 1. They'll be on the field as soon as they learn the playbook. 100% agree on both Taylor and Davis. If I were Marshall or Patterson I'd be very worried, a tie or anything resembling a tie goes to the cheaper guy. Ditto for you Dan Carpenter. I would've liked Rambo, I'd have loved Josh Evans. Dude has some serious Dashon Goldson to his game. Gillislee in the 5th round is a good pickup. Sims gives us the inline blocking that we lost when Fasano went to KC. Thomas is a better OG for the offense (tempo) than Jerry, if he's at LG then Cogs can slide over to right. Not sure what we're gonna do at OT but overall it looks like very well thought out draft.
     
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    LOL. Fans are never objective, but we don't have to be, do we?
    This draft (And offseason) perfectly illustrates Ireland as a GM. A B is the perfect grade for the draft based on perception now vs the reality of what all the players drafted will become later. (Which we as fans are allowed to do.)

    Dion Jordan is a swing for the fence type of player. He is either boom or bust. i view him the same way as I do Tannehill. If they work out and become the stars we hope for, wonderful. If they bust, I'm still happy Ireland went after them. They weren't solid starters who be the core of a mediocre team, but the stars who would get us to the playoffs and beyond. i'm just happy Ireland had the balls...

    The mid part of the draft he went back to being his conservative self, and at the end he took chances again. So I give him a B. But if you rate a C or lower, I understand. Taylor and Jordan should be starters. The rest? Good picks to add depth and maybe develop into solid starters.

    I lament his adversion to WR's for some reason in the draft. I wanted another. We have Three good ones, but if one goes down, then what? I understand we couldn't get it all. (Lack of a starting tackle) But maybe next season...or in FA this year.

    But I am very grateful, he is going out and getting the players to fill his coaching staff's needs. And getting players that will hopefully attack NE's stranglehold on the division.

    But if you give him a D for not adding Wr's for depth in case one of the big three goes down, I'm not going to critisize...
     
  39. Rocky Raccoon

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    Meh, these injuries are mostly freak accidents. I mean, you never know what can happen but it's football, players are always hurt.
     
  40. GMJohnson

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    Ironically, any grade less than a B probably means that Ireland's FA signings are being disregarded and marginalized.
     

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