On Paper Dion Sims is everything we lack at the TE position.

Sub out Logan Ryan for Kayvon Webster and we're cooking.

 

I think Sims definitely serves a purpose on a couple of fronts, but if Egnew doesn't develop like the coaching staff is hoping I see TE being a priority again next year, unless they're willing (and able) to re-sign Keller.

 

hmmm, no I wouldnt take Kelce over Taylor, I like Jamar Taylor, and if we didnt get Eifert, I didnt see the need to go to the 2nd tier prospects when we already have that in Egnew..

If we stayed at 12, Eifert should be the pick, not for need but because your confident that you just selected a great player and it's worth it to cater your offense to that elite skillset..

 

I would have preferred Eifert and Menelik Watson over Dion Jordan, and then draft Alex Okafor and Devin Taylor in rounds 3 and 4 for some added pass rush. That would work well with the two pricey LBs that we signed in FA imo.

 

LOL before the draft I actually said I thought he was the best TE in this class:

http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?73772-Dion-Jordan&p=1952380&viewfull=1#post1952380

Unfortunately I'm not sure he would be able to get the reps to really be an option at TE. Maybe as a gimmick near the GL, at most.

 

I hear ya' I love the Jordan pick. I also like Gilislee.

 

Got a tight end for ya in the club.

 

I know you would of Jim because your not that high on Dion, There's no doubt in my mind that a combination of Eifert/Watson is on par with one Dion Jordan on paper..I can't debate that because I loved both players,especially Eifert, but If I'm gonna sacrifice that combo for one player in this draft, it's DJ..I also think that the selection of JT helps this scenarios look better on paper..we got a talent at a low 2nd round pick.

Dion Jordan has to become a superstar..

 

I read this out of context I think.

 

I have high hopes for Jordan, I just have to call it as I see it, and what I've seen on film is a questionable ability from Jordan to consistently beat OTs and a penchant for getting ridden wide outside.

I was shocked that Lane Johnson wasn't the #3 pick, and then after a moment I reflected on how disappointed I would be if Menelik Watson made it to #42. And he did.

 

No you did not. Club level is nothing but debauchery.

 

The club is off the charts right now imo, on many levels....even FinD is in there..

 

There's no doubt that Dion does take the outside path to the Qb more than I would like, but I've seen him execute multiple moves in the pass rushing repertoire,and I've seen him look good from a technique standpoint on all of them..I don't want him trying out moves on NFL tackles on the fly, he's got to have that feel for which move to make instantaneously, he's really raw in this dept,2 and half years at the position total, and dropping in coverage half the time contributed highly to that rawness..

 

Good, points- again, I have high hopes for Jordan, but I see risk there as well. I'd rather not rely on the notion of developmental potential when it comes to a #3 overall pick- that's code speak for he isn't doing it yet.

What I wanted in the draft was a better pass rush, another WR or two, an OT and a CB or two.

We could have had:

1. Eifert
2. Watson
2. Jamar Taylor
3. Marquise Goodwin / Marcus Wheaton / Steadman Bailey
3. Alex Okafor
4. Devin Taylor
4. Brandon McGee or AJ Klein

Maybe Ryan Swope in the late 5th as well, I lost track with all the 4's and 5's flying around in trades.

Call me crazy, but I'd rather have the list above over what we got, and especially before the Will Davis trade we could have had shots at Marquess Wilson and DE Cornelious Washington, or Da'Rick Rogers who amazingly imo wasn't drafted.

 

Sob can rush the damn passer like that...lol

 

We differ on one theory in the draft..I don't mind drafting potential high..

 

I think that may be going a bit too far- he's more than just big. And when I say that I'm focusing on speed and quicks, not the soft hands or from what I've seen pretty darned good blocking.

I like his quick feet, more so than outright speed and quicks. I look at those quick feet when he's blocking and going out on a passing route and I wonder, maybe if this guy gained 20 lbs from 280 instead of dropping 20 he might have made a good OT.

That being said, this is a 280 lb guy that has short area quickness, but- he was 280 lbs. That's a lot of weight to be particularly seam busting fast. I don't think that the Fasano comparison was bad at all- that's a good thing in terms of Sims being an all around TE, a bad thing if you want a seam buster to pair up with Keller. But- if this guy is 260 now as opposed to 280, I can see it happening, him gaining a significant amount of speed. The film I saw- I was hardly floored by his speed, but it wasn't awful- just not what you'd ideally want in a TE, same problem with Fasano. But this isn't a lumbering TE in my opinion- he was just too damn big. 280 lbs is a lot of weight to be busting a seam (I guess that goes for pants as well as a football field). 260 lbs.- not so much.

Look at the film at 1:10 and elsewhere in the clip- this isn't some big stiff. It shows short area quicks and speed, but I think that it's indicative of what could be with him slimmed down, ie more downfield speed. Dion Sims at 260 lbs is something I'm looking forward to seeing, he could work out well paired up with Keller, or dare I say Egnew if he can get his act together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0oKsK8MCHQ

 

I don't either, but here's the thing- I like Damontre Moore, but some of the criticism was him getting tangled up by OTs- I watched more film and, well, the critics were right. I like Dion Jordan, but I watched a bunch of film of him and although he's a compelling talent and one heck of an athlete, he gets tied up by OTs and ridden out wide- plenty. That concerns me. Dude is fast as hell getting to a QB on a straight shot, but those are the easy ones. You want to see this guy beating OTs more 1 on 1, because he's going to be giving up 50-70 lbs every freaking week in the NFL. Jason Taylor pulled off that trick as a thin DE, Jack Youngblood as well. Jordan has a LOT to prove in that regard imo- what concerns me is that we'll see a deja vu of a painful memory, Jason Taylor going up against Tony Boselli years ago. As good as JT was, against Boselli he showed the downside of a lighter DE getting dominated by a much bigger and skilled OT.

The point is, against Boselli JT got handled- from the film I saw of Jordan I'm concerned that Boselli type OTs AND lesser OTs will
get the better of him, controlling him at the LOS and riding him out wide. I'm hopeful and Jordan sure is talented, but that concerns me.

Speaking of OTs, it would have been nice to sign Xavier Nixon as a FA, and speaking of FA's Da'Rick Rogers as well. That would have helped to make up for a very vanilla draft imo.

 

IMO, the 3rd was too early for Webster. IMO, he appears to be a workout warrior without the on field production to match it.

 

I hate to be close-minded but I just can't fathom how one can logically deduce otherwise. You cannot draft potential at 3. What's more, you cannot trade up to draft potential at 3. I mean that's... that's utter lunacy. What are you guys talking about? I am beside myself right now. There is a reason why the 1st three players drafted are usually- almost ALWAYS- known before the drat even nears.

If Ireland drafted Jordan, if Ireland traded up to draft Jordan, on potential; the race is lost before the gun. Forget about it

 

Strange comment from a guy who is visiting a Dolphins draft forum.

 

#1. We weren't the only team to consider him a Top 5 pick, it was pretty much the league wide consensus.
#2. Outside of injury, there's no way this guy is a bust. Guys with that kind of talent, mixed with brains, determination, drive and leadership, simply do not bust out.
#3. The "potential" that's discussed with Jordan isn't really about him making it in the NFL, its more about the very best way to use him so you get maximum value out such an athletic specimen. Basically, most feel certain he'll succeed at a given position, its just how else can they use him.

 

If he's used as a DE he has to prove that he can hold his own at the LOS and consistently beat OTs to the Quarterback.

If he's used as a OLB he has to prove that he can play in space.

Or both.

 

Good! We can go back to armchair English teacher!

Would have, could have, should have.

Also why the hell did you visit a DRAFT FORUM if you dont want to read "armchair analysts"?

 

What I like about this pick is he seems to have similar measurables and somewhat comparable skills to Eifert, but we didn't give up our 12 to get him. Not saying this guy is even close to Eifert, but he could develop into a comparable player for us who can be a seam buster and red zone target, yet we still used much higher picks to fill very important needs. If this kid turns into what we hope he can, Ireland will look pretty sharp on this draft.

 

I think he has already proved he can play in space.

 

Since no picks have yet played a single down in the NFL, every pick at any position is based on potential. Yes, you like to see a player have good production at the college level, but that just further illustrates and reinforces his potential as an NFL player. Also, it's not like he didn't show any good skills in college.

 

He moves well, he's fast and laterally quick and he has a nice backpedal for a DE, but my point is, how sure are we that he can play OLB? The tools are there, but you never know. I don't much care for projections on position switches, especially at #3 overall that cost a #42.

It's not that I don't like him, I just have some questions. Personally, in terms of bolstering the pass rush I would have drafted Alex Okafor and Devin Taylor, maybe Cornelious Washington as a steal in what, the 6th round? I have my doubts about him for sure, hated the regular season tape, but he's a physical marvel and certainly showed up at the Senior Bowl. He goes in the 6th round and Ansah goes #5 overall, there's a head scratcher for you if a lot of importance is to be placed on physical attributes and Senior Bowl practices and the game itself. Washington played- in both- very well. If we didn't trade away all those picks we could have had them all and maybe Quinton Patton in the 4th rd as well.

I don't want it to be misconstrued in that I'm slamming Jordan, I'm not. But again, I would have rather had Eifert, maybe Lotuleilei depending on future roster plans and maybe Rhodes and then Menlik Watson at #42. Most would diagree I think, but I would have considered Alec Ogletree as well, as just too good to pass up. He fell way too far imo, and don;t get me started on Da'Rick Rogers. Bills got him for free, Marquise Goodwin and Robert Woods- that's taking care of your shiny new rookie QB.

My confusion with this draft, post 1st rd trade, started with the Dallas Thomas pick, given that he's considered a better Guard prospect than OT. Then again, maybe he'll work out just fine, who knows. I thought that we were primed to do so much damage in this draft, and the result was imo, quite frankly, deflating.

 

Here's some film of him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdpzGUxkek4

Go to :55 and watch the following two plays that illustrate how wide he gets pushed out when pass rushing, and these aren't exceptions to the rule.

I like the clips from this guy on youtube, because it they aren't just highlights- they show the good and bad, warts and all.

As to your point-Jordan has compelling ability and moves like a big cat- but does that mean that he'd necessarily transition well from DE to OLB? I'd say no- I'd be hopeful, but seriously who knows? He'll probably be all over the place in the 2013 defense, my best guess, a wildcard attack kind of player combo DE/OLB. A post modern Eric Kumerow type position, just a way better athlete and player.

Very, very compelling talent- with some questions attaches, including a major shoulder injury- but he's aready proven that he can play in space? He sure can move around and he uses his hands and leverage well, but I'll have to see more before I'm full in that he can play OLB. Just my opinion.

 

True, but you could say the same thing about Huey Richardson from UF and Pitt 1st rd pick. That didn;t work out so well at DE or LB- with the Dolphins, either. I'm just saying- you never know. I'm even less sure when trying to project him to LB.

 

Bump....According to Barry Jackson of the Herald ### We've heard positive feedback on tight end Dion Sims during rookie minicamp, and it would be surprising if he doesn’t emerge as the Dolphins’ No. 2 tight end right away.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...ots-of-heat-chatter-dolphins-canes-notes.html​

 

He looked in good shape in the minicamp pictures, 265 or thereabouts is a much better weight for him than the 280 he played at last season in Michigan St.

I haven't given up on Egnew yet, and if the lightbulb went on this offseason for him, then three TE's in Keller, Sims and Egnew could be a good strength for this team.

 

Ah, and I'd suggest that is a preformed conclusion, if one looks at Oregon's 2012 season, Dion J tore his pec up Oct 27th vs Colorado, they played USC on Nov 4, a week later.

IE, he was playing with a torn labrum in the USC game and couldn't counter move off of his speed rush.