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Mike Dee: "The future looks bleak."

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, May 5, 2013.

  1. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    You can bet that the blackouts are coming. They are not going to let you stout home and watch the game now. Ross isn't going to keep eating those tickets. The stadium may suck,but it's going to be the only way you see a game in Miami for a while.

    Have we thought about taking this to the federal government? What's another 300 million to Barack? Just tell him we are making the stadium greener.x
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Just a Few questions so i can try to figure this out Des..

    So you think trying to get the renovations done was an alterior motive to increase the worth of the franchise so when he sells he makes more?.

    You think not getting the renovations done will not affect our chances of future superbowls?.was Goodell not specific in his requests?

    The BCS gorilla is interesting, before, the orange bowl was automatic to get a BCS game here, now that the BCS won't exist next year, you think sun life stadium can compete with the Dallas's, atlanta's, New Orleans, Houston's, San Jose's of the world that will eventually bid to host the incredible possibility of a final four in college football?

    Are you sure there wasn't language in the deal that had Ross covering all risks regardless of ownership?

    Your thoughts on the damage if we fall out of the rotation on both these large events and the loss of exposure that comes with it? Economically speaking?

    Do you think Ross realized he made a huge mistake in assessing the value of the stadium when he bought the team for 1.1 billion, and is now trying to recoup some of that loss?

    Do you think that Goodell is not serious about renovations to the stadium?

    Do you think it's possible that the man has a vision for himself and his home town making a lot of money based on the modernization of your only football stadium and is trying to lay out a deal that makes the most sense with the least amount of risk with good intentions?

    And lastly, do you think the venue itself can be a determining factor in whether or not your city gets future events?
     
  3. dirwuf

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    I don't understand what the big deal is financially about the 50th Super Bowl...are more people going to come and spend money than at the 49th or 53rd Super Bowls?
     
  4. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    As Fins fans, we all have a beef. Im not a fan of Steve Ross. I'm a fan of the Miami Dolphins. Its a huge part of my personal identity, and comes only after my wife and daughter in importance in my life. If they were to move and cease to exist......I have no words. This piece of **** in the Fla. House may have screwed over the Fins, and in turn, could have altered a major part of my life. That affects me, and it pisses me off.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's gonna be interesting to see how that plays..hope the fanbase rallies around their young team is all that I can say.
     
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  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Everyone you miss because the stadium is not up to par, have pretty severe monetary consequences for the city and owner.
     
  7. PhinishLine

    PhinishLine Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The irony in this whole thing is that Santa Clara stadium (Probable Site of SB 50) is a Private-Public funding partnership.
     
  8. UMiamiAlum

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    If the Dolphins leave this state, weatherford will never recover politically. That SOB just dug his grave.
     
  9. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

  10. PhinishLine

    PhinishLine Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  11. PhinishLine

    PhinishLine Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This should be good:

    This is the most I've posted in a long time. I need to go back to lurking.
     
  12. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I'm just wondering if the franchise has appreciated enough for Mr Ross to sell it at a profit if the stadium and attached property aren't involved.
     
  13. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Two words. Norman Braman.

    It's kind of funny. My brother is the property manager of an affluent community in Palm City. Many of the retired executive residents muck up the works all of the time just for something to do. He's actually had to deal with filibusters at annual meetings.
     
  14. VanDolPhan

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    Ironically with you being in Virginia........your area would be in probably the top 5 places the NFL would like to fill out.
     
  15. Stringer Bell

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  16. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    You again fail to differentiate between levels of government and Ross' approach to each.

    By the way, I have a couple of sources in the Florida state government, particularly the legislature and the lobbying community around it. I'm still waiting for additional detail, but word I'm hearing is that Ross' lobbying efforts were indeed the problem. In particular, he made a bad choice of lobbyist in Ron Book.
     
  17. Stringer Bell

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    No the value is pretty much the same I would bet. I don't think he's going to sell in the near future though.
     
  18. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    that's what I was thinking as well. I don't see why it would be in his best interest to sell any time soon.
     
  19. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    No. I think now that Ross isn't going to get the renovations he wants at the price he wants, he's mentally closer to selling the team. I think he wanted to hang on to the team for a decade; he might now start to look for a buyer, especially with the level of hype around the roster at the moment.

    Of course it will affect Miami's chances. But what I specifically referred to was whether or not Miami would even bid for a Super Bowl; Miami will continue to bid.

    Sun Life Stadium was part of a four stadium rotation for the BCS championship game. SLS hosted the BCS game every 4 years, most recently Alabama vs Notre Dame. Now that the rotation system is gone, Miami is getting the 2014 BCS game. You can buy tickets to it right now. Miami will continue to get BCS title games; Miami can support the visitors, the visitors treat it like a vacation and spend a week in town, and the venue looks excellent on TV. Just watch Alabama vs Notre Dame.

    Ross would have covered cost overruns. He would not have made the repayments after selling the franchise. The Dolphins, not Ross, would have owed the money to Miami-Dade.

    SLS is not in any danger of losing BCS title games. Miami is one of the few cities in the country that can reliably host the influx of fans. The other three cities in the now-defunct rotation were Glendale (Cardinals stadium), Pasadena (Rose Bowl), and New Orleans (Superdome).

    Yes. Huizenga took him for a ride.

    Yes, he is.

    Intentions are meaningless. The only factors that mattered were those that were written down and placed in front of a legislative body. Ross couldn't convince the Florida House to raise taxes to renovate a football stadium because he screwed up his lobbying.

    Of course. But it's not nearly as important as the infrastructure surrounding it. The Rose Bowl is 90 years old but got a BCS title game every four years as part of the rotation because LA can support the event. Miami is the same way.
     
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  20. dirwuf

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    So what's Dee's purpose in these interviews? The time for threats was last week, not now.
     
  21. smahtaz

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    That seems odd. There were close to a dozen separate votes taken during the entire process and the results were overwhelming until the measure stalled in the House.
     
  22. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Temper tantrum. That's basically about it.

    Honestly, I can't wait for Dee to move on from the Dolphins. The guy's temperament is awful, he doesn't understand the market, and he conducts himself poorly.
     
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  23. Desides

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    Right, the issue is what happened with lobbying the House. Ron Book was a bad choice for that job. That's all I know right now.
     
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  24. PhinishLine

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    Last ditch effort to get the governor involved I presume..

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
     
  25. ASOT

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    Been saying the same thing for several years. Ross would do himself and his team a favor and boot Dee out. Since he's taken over nothing he's done has turned out in favor of the team. From championing Gator Day to this latest fiasco (that lost his employer $ 10 million for absolutely nothing) he needs to go.

    This may have been what Ross needed to throw this guy out so he can go back to the Boston Red Sox and John Henry.
     
  26. ASOT

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    Could the Governor call a special session just for this issue ? And would that be politically advisable for him ? Scott does intend to run for governor again next year I presume.
     
  27. CANDolphan

    CANDolphan Well-Known Member

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    ... no. The governor does not have such power.
     
  28. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Scott is likely running for re-election, yes. But good luck trying to advise a political campaign that a tax increase is a winnable platform.
     
  29. Coral Reefer

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    Jesus... the amount of doom and gloom in this thread.

    The stadium is untenable, the Dolphins are moving and according to Stringer S. Florida is a third world country. :lol:
     
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  30. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Except that I agree with moves to rebrand the brand, the uni, the logo, the exciting venue were all moves I think needed to be done..being screwed by a politician does not spoil the effort and vision.
     
  31. Rocky Raccoon

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    Desides, knowing as much as you do about this, do you think there's any chance of the team moving in the future? Even the thought of it makes me sick and I'm not even in Miami.
     
  32. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So your saying that Ross sent a lobbyist into the house that wasn't prepared?.. In what ways could he of not been prepared?
     
  33. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I said nothing about preparedness. Ron Book is a lot of things, but he isn't unprepared.
     
  34. vt_dolfan

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    Heres my question....

    Given the economic climate....the fact that the Marlins just pissed all over South Florida, everyone knew the chances of getting this were slim.

    Given that....and given that Ross owns this team, whats his back up plan? OK...you lost in the legislature...move on. Figure out a way to pay for this yourself. He had to know that was likely going to be the scenario any ways.
     
  35. PhinishLine

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    I think the pain point is that people thought that winning the vote would be slim. I don't think they imagine the vote would get struck down in the House. It wasn't even struck down...it was just pocketed without a vote. I think that is where people are kind of surprised. Maybe chances weren't as slim as we thought for the speaker to not eem let it be voted on. Who knows.
     
  36. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He actually tried to get the legislature to redraw the county lines at one point in order to get the stadium in Broward County.
     
  37. Stringer Bell

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    There's no backup plan. The team will keep playing in the stadium without renovations. Miami will not get SBs. This falls on the county more than Ross.
     
  38. arsenal

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    It still baffles me about the folks that are against it... the main issues here are

    1) Would superbowls, BCS games, international soccer events, etc benefit the local economy?

    if yes

    2) Would stadium upgrades increase the likelihood of getting these events?

    Thats it, who cares if Ross makes money on it or not, that is not what it is about. If you think Miami is still guaranteed getting Superbowls because of the climate, look at San Diego not having a Superbowl in 10 years because of their outdated stadium. Not only that Ross gave a sweetheart deal to Miami-Dade that no other city has been given by a sports team.

    Seems like such a no brainer, can't believe there was any opposition.
     
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  39. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Heard back from my contacts in Tallahassee. Weatherford backed himself into a corner by taking a position on the issue before seeing how the Senate voted; I don't think he expected the Senate to pass the bill, which put him in the position of either going back on his word (voting yes) or pissing the Senate off by voting no. Thus the solution was to not hold a vote. Bad calculation on his part. Additionally, Weatherford made promises to the pro side and promises to the con side, and couldn't reconcile them. I don't know if this means Dee's allegation that Weatherford privately told them it would pass is true.

    On the lobbying side, Ron Book tried to put language giving the Dolphins what they wanted in unrelated bills; pork spending, basically. Florida House members already dislike Ron Book for a variety of reasons, so his multiple attempts at legislative end-arounds didn't sit well at all. They saw a chance to stick it to Book and simultaneously avoid pissing one of two groups off, and took it.

    Ross and Dee's childish complaining about Weatherford and the House is going to bite them, because if they had waited for the next session and used a different lobbyist with less slimy tactics, they likely would have gotten their bill passed. Weatherford was their best chance to get this passed; the two guys in line to be Speaker in the future both wanted nothing to do with this bill, and will not pass it if brought up during their presumptive terms as Speaker, which is another reason why Weatherford did not hold a vote on it.

    This is far from chiseled in stone.

    Of the events you named, the only one that is demanding renovations and upgrades to the stadium is the Super Bowl. SLS will host the BCS title game two years in a row and already has plenty of soccer events.
     
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  40. schmolioot

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    It also didn't help that pretty much the entire Dade County delegation was against the deal, Republicans and Democrats. If the home county people don't support the bill, or don't really care about it, what's the incentive for the speaker to bring it up for a vote?

    The Dolphins gambit was simple, create a false deadline ("WE MUST GET SB 50!!!!!!"), and try to ram through that bill/referendum in about 90 days time based on the fear of missing the arbitrary deadline. Well, it almost worked. But the fact that it failed was no reason to take the foolish tone they did. Just bring it up again, with more time on the legislative calendar and for god sakes get your own freaking county delegation to support it.

    Instead Ross and Dee took a petulant, whiny tone whioch has now probably doomed this thing for the forseeable future. I don't think the Dolphins moving to LA or anywhere else out of ststae is a realistic possibility but it's possible you could start seeing overtures made to Broward and Palm Beach counties.
     
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