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Tyson Clabo finalizing deal with Dolphins

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by peakz, May 5, 2013.

  1. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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  2. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    I'm VERY worried about Martin at LT.
     
  3. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    I was much more worried about that before Clabo was signed. You can scheme one side but not both.
     
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  4. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    I don't think Martin will make us forget about Long ( at least a healthy Long) this season, but keep in mind that Martins performance on the left side last season came after he switched from the left side in college ( where he was pretty good protecting Luck), to the right side last offseason, back to the left side. We'll have to wait and see, but he wasn't quite terrible on the left side on all 4 starts, only a couple of them. Lets give him a decent shot with a full offseason, with a little better strength before he's hung in effigy....
     
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  5. Perfectville_USA

    Perfectville_USA Mr Perfect

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    Matin very worried about you, the players & coaches feel your not ready to lead a tailgate party. PFF had you rated very low and the tape showed you leaving a game early. Another time you dropped a beer & not going to talk about how you screwed up and did not see a opening kickoff Vs the Jets.
     
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  6. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    When Ireland passed on Lane Johnson and didn't trade for Brandon Albert.
     
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  7. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Logic is a *****.
     
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  8. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    The coaches will start who they choose. Ireland isn't the "Czar". He is just GM. Philbin decides who starts.

    Ireland is a complete idiot and may actually have confidence in Martin but Philbin is a different story.

    Philbin has not said Martin is the starting LT and every time I have seen him asked he has avoided making any such statements.

    Martin finished 76th out 78 OT's in ranking last year. That means several backups played better than him.

    Martin led the NFL in QB hurries.

    Martin was worse in his run blocking than his pass protection.

    Martin embarrassed himself and the team by getting knocked flat on his arse several times.

    If you think Philbin is going to ignore all that and name Martin the starter without competition it's you who is out of touch with reality.

    That kind of performance isn't rewarded.

    There will be competition, and after last year, I seriously doubt Martin is getting the benefit of the doubt.

    Seriously, he ranked 76th, how hard is it to replace a guy who is that pathetic?

    I wouldn't just give it to Martin just yet.
     
  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Phillip started him all year last season
     
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  10. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I wanted to make that point at 8:51, but I simply couldn't bring myself to do it that simply instead of sounding like an *** hole....so I choose to not say anything.

    I think that shows progress in my posting.
     
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  11. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Within reason, I agree Philbin calls the shots on the field, however, don't forget that Ireland IS Philbin's boss. Philbin will choose who starts and who doesn't based on the play in practice (ota's minicamps) and finally TC. What Martin did last year isn't totally a reflection on what he can do or will do this coming season. I agree with most here that Ireland and Philbin must have felt good enough about starting Martin at LT that they didn't go out and get one of the LTs in the draft (and they had that option open to them), nor did they trade for someone nor did they sign a street FA to replace Martin... While it's not the same as publicly coming out and saying "Martin is our starting LT", it's virtually the same as them saying it....PFF be damned...

    As to the benefit of the doubt, the only benefit he gets is that they have him penciled in right now as our LT...that's it...the rest is up to him. And if Ireland is such a complete idiot, why is he still our GM ?? Maybe, just maybe your opinion of him isn't what Ross thinks of him...
     
  12. Bofin

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    your growth is astounding fin d, you are truly becoming a being of radiant light, completely unfettered.
     
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  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Isn't this post a step back?
     
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  14. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Dammit!
     
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  15. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I've forgotten what a healthy Long plays like since it's been 3 years of mediocrity since the last time he was healthy.
     
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  16. Fineas

    Fineas Club Member Luxury Box

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    When was Winston not very good on the left side. I don't think he has ever played there in the pros, but he was a good LT in college. IMO, physically, he better fits the traditional mold for a LT than a RT. I assume his NFL coaches have thought he was a better fit at RT or they would have moved him, but I wouldn't rule out the idea that he could play LT.
     
  17. Ohio Fanatic

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    once again, as always, stats are useless without context. I'm not saying you're wrong, Philbin is the one that makes the starting position calls, but the rankings of tackles is kind of silly. We know Martin sucked when he first started, especially when he was out of position at RT. unless I see stats for the 2nd half of the season vs the 1st half, to see if he showed improvement, then the stats are meaningless

    and of course there's competition, there always is.
     
  18. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Look at you! Well done sir... :wink2:
     
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  19. bmicO

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    Funny most people's attitude to our LT position; everyone hated the idea of trading up for Lane Johnson but if he goes on to be a pro bowl LT then that move would easily have been justified. After that people didn't want to give Brandon Albert his money despite the fact that he's an established player in the league and would have cost a second round pick at most.

    Now people are all concerned over Martin starting there, you don't get good left tackles on the cheap very often; either you have to be prepared to give up high draft picks and or money, or you have to develop someone you picked later. Personally i wouldn't mind us exploring what the Jags want for Monroe, they just took Joeckel 2 overall and he's a LT prospect who they have to move at the moment, Monroe is 26, a top 10 LT and hasn't struggled with injuries throughout his career. He's coming to the end of his contract next year so they might want to get something for him before he presumably moves on, if that is a second round pick i'd be ok with it.

    Other than that i'm happy to give Martin his shot, it's where we drafted him to play and he was slightly better there last year, give him an entire offseason to work on his weaknesses and a season's experience and he should be better. If he's good then we've got a bargain, if he's not then we aren't a LT away from the Superbowl this year and Monroe and maybe others will be available next free agency.
     
  20. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Well, now.. Isn't this just a cheery little post full of valuable and scintillating analysis? I haven't been so less thrilled about such an idea since Wayne H. hired Jimmy!
     
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  21. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Not me. I was hoping we'd take him there. But really, I thought we should have just paid Jake Long what he wanted. It was stupid not to.
     
  22. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    The Jags had absolutely no one to play RT before the draft. Getting Joeckel helps solidify their OL even if he isn't at his eventual position as a rookie. IMO, they won't totally know what they have at QB unless they can give them some decent protection. Maybe now with Joeckel and Monroe as bookends they can. JMO.
     
  23. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    FTR, some of us weren't about moving up for a tackle that is unproven when the cost at the time was our 1st, 2nd AND 3rd, when the proven Albert was available for just a second.
     
  24. bmicO

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    I'm not saying he won't improve their OL at RT just that that's not where they drafted him to eventually play, i'm not saying they're looking for a deal but i wouldn't mind us having a conversation. There are still RT options out there for them if they were to trade Monroe (Eric Winston) and he will be in free agency next year, why not get something for him now?
     
  25. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Rick, there were a few things about Long...
    1) he wanted a contract that protected HIM against injury (lots of up front money),
    2) there is no denying that his play declined the last two years due likely to the injuries. Is/was he going to get past that ? We didn't know and neither did Irephil...
    3) He really was a non-fit for the style of player that Sherman/Philbin wanted on the OL. A mauler, a great pass-protector, but not agile enough for what Sherman wants from his OL...
    4) He really didn't want to stay here. I know, I know...he and his wife put up a good show with the doggie twitter and all that, but his heart had left South Beach when his contract expired...you could just feel it and if the reports are right, that feeling is justified since he arguably took a little less to move on...(albeit, not as much guaranteed money).
    5) That said, I think they would have liked if he'd stayed, but he made it pretty clear that wasn't his #1 option. I would have liked if he'd stayed for the right price...

    I don't think it was all that stupid a move. It was a business move and one that both parties are satisfied with.

    What does suprise me is the apparent feeling that Martin can handle the LT spot by Irephil... Even tho there hasn't been a lot of public talk about it and even in the interviews they've kinda avoided that question (admittedly likely because of, at the time, ongoing negotiations with Clabo, Winston, Albert, McKinnie, etc). The fact that they didn't go head over heals to replace Long with a guy from the draft (and they had that opportunity) or McKinnie or even with the Albert flirtation shows, to me, that they have enough confidence in Martin to do the job. We'll have to see. The reports are that he's bulked up some and has been working with Hudson Houck in the offseason is encouraging. Soon we'll see what's really happening...
     
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  26. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    I think if Ireland had moved up and taken Johnson it would have shown to be a move of desperation. The one thing that I'm starting to see a little better with this regime is that they seem to really have a plan. We, as fans, don't know what that plan exactly is and that causes consternation and discussion on these boards, but they seem to follow their 'master plan' to the tee. I also was not one of the guys who want us to trade up for an OT. Had we stayed at 12 and Johnson had fallen to us, that would have been fine with me, but to have the opportunity to take an OT and go with a guy with an arguably better upside shows that their interest is to look to the future in the draft. I'm not sure that Martin is the answer at LT, but they (Ireland and Philbin) seem to not have too much concern about it...if they did, they'd have done things differently when they could have...
     
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  27. jw3102

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    Yes they lost Brady for the year and yet they still finished the season with the same 11-5 record as the Miami Dolphins. They did this with a backup QB who had never started an NFL game prior to that season.
    The Dolphins only won the division that season because of a tie breaker with the Patriots. I doubt if the Dolphins could have lost their starting QB, Chad Pennington, in 2008 and still finished the season with a 11-5 record.

    I guess those players on the Patriots in 2008 must still been talented enough to finish the season 6 games over 500, even with Brady out the entire season.
     
  28. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    hey hit on one pick 199 overall some years ago and that player only saw action because the original starting QB was put on the sideline with a freaking injury that caused serious internal bleeding, hell yeah i would say their draft have sucked the last few years, all hype they missed on a lot of picks and they had many...so to make a long story short...they have tom brady, they once lost him in week 1 4 years ago, we won the division that year....there is more than sour grapes to it...


    Yeah, good point JW...same as some team in 83 hitting on pick #27....makes all the difference in the world to an NFL franchise...hope #8 last year does the same for us...
     

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