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Despite offseason progress this organization continues to shoot itself in the foot

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Bumrush, May 6, 2013.

  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    We'll be in the rotation, but so is everyone but Buffalo.
     
  2. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    For hardcore Dolphin fans like us - Ross
    For people that could care less about football or publicly funding the stadium, it will have no impact. Weatherford is not going to be removed from office in Wesley Chapel because of this. In fact, it may help his political career and clout in Tallahassee.

    The Miami Dolphins are the clear losers now and in the future. Especially with how they reacted by going fully crazy when they didn't get the predicted outcome.
     
  3. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    This has nothing to do with hardcore fans.

    Ross has way more ability to reach the entire public than Weatherford does. More reason to as well.
     
  4. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    The entire public doesn't care. They had to call a special election that was rushed and took a calculated gamble on the outcome.

    Give this one year to be discussed and put on a real ballot and the measure probably gets soundly defeated. The public DOES NOT want to pay for stadium upgrades anymore. This was their best shot to expedite the process and do it under the nose of the average voter in Miami Dade county.
     
  5. Fin D

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    I'm not making myself clear.

    Ross has the resources to make the public care. Its called marketing...or are you doubting the ability of people with money to make the public care about things they didn't care about previously?
     
  6. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Under his leadership and marketing this team has seen Gator Day, Harbaugh Hunt, Celebrity Red Carpets and dwindling attendance and numbers.

    Sorry, but I don't trust his ability to shape public opinion. I've been a Ross and Ireland defender for a long time but I'm taking the blinders off. This, coupled with his recent bashing of Sparano and the Marlins is making it hard for me to support him any longer.

    Not that he was wrong to have those opinions, but it seems to me like their focus is misguided. And that some things are better off left unsaid. Let the dust settle then work the right angles. Don't come out swinging like a petulent child when you don't get your way. Don't make vieled threats about the long term viability of the team when franchises like the Vikings and 49ers were engaged in decade long debates on publicly funded stadium issues and we failed in 6 months to get it rammed through.
     
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  7. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    They had to wait for the Marlins to leave. The renovations would not happen until Football season was over and it would run directly right into baseball season.
     
  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    But that doesn't take into account the fact that Miami can facilitate such an event of this magnitude while providing the visitors a memorable experience,thats worth something in the decision I would imagine.
     
  9. Fin D

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    You're comparing different things and using the fact that they don't match up to prove your point. It doesn't really make sense.

    All those things you're talking about, were to convince diehards to go games, when the diehards would only accept winning. And we also have no idea how effect it was. Attendance could have down even further for all we know.

    This is a different animal altogether. He would have to convince the average citizen their elected official broke promises and denied them their say.
     
  10. Fin D

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    It doesn't matter. There are plenty of teams that can handle it, now that weather isn't a factor. Its why we'll be in the "rotation", which doesn't actually mean anything.
     
  11. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    It does matter. You are asking me to trust that Ross can shape public opinion to the teams advantage. I'm telling you that I don't, in large part due to the reasons mentioned.
     
  12. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there
    I feel anyone would be a bit pissed off if they lost 4.7 Million dollars.
    Maybe that's just me.
     
  13. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    I've changed my opinion. I used to thing he was a bumbling buffoon. Now I think he is a pretty solid owner.
     
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  14. WhiteIbanez

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    Somehow I knew there would be a "Dolphins are to blame for this" thread.
    Ross was trying to a good thing for the team and it's ungrateful fans and it bites him in the ***. The only doom and gloom I see hanging over this team's head is the god damn city they play in and it's ignorant residents.
     
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  15. WHAT wasn't realistic?? You mean the part where he was paying for almost everything except the part he was BORROWING from the county? What other owner ever planned to pay back the money for new stadiums?? What is so EXPEDITED ?? Just because he didn't call you up and tell you his every move doesn't mean it hasn't been planned for years. The public has a very short attention span. The longer you drag things out the less people think about it. He did every thing right and got fu cked over. I wouldn't blame him one bit if he decided to move the team elsewhere.
     
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  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I do think its an excellent deal on a few levels, I also think the city does need a kick the *** when it comes to their football team..
     
  17. No I think he should call a personal hit man to send Weatherford on a one way boat trip to the middle of the Gulf, and no he shouldn't make veiled threats he should come straight out and say "I have no other choice now but to seriously consider relocating the Miami Dolphins", and if you think telling the world when someone in public office stabs you in the back is throwing a hissy fit, then you don't understand simplest of politics.
     
  18. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    is anyone going to disagree with these points??
     
  19. SO you think the better solution is to keep quiet and let him get away with it. This is the EXACT thing that needs to be public. The public needs to know when dirty politicians short change the public because they know the public will agree to something they personally do not want. This country is supposed to be ran by the people for the people, not some dirty power hungry politician hiding behind closed doors pulling the strings for the highest bidder. Let the PEOPLE decide. If the vote went against Ross I have no problem, but to not even have a vote is criminal.
     
  20. And that right there should convince you he did EVERYTHING right. You know who is greasing their pockets.
     
  21. Do you have any idea what this is even about?? The average citizen of Dade isn't going to pay one red cent under his deal. This was a one cent tax on hotels. This would be paid by people outside Dade, then on top of that it wasn't anything more than a loan that would be paid back. No business owner is going to be against a 1 cent tax hike on hotels when they are going to get the money back AND get hundreds of millions of dollars brought in to the county over the next 30 years, from the benefits of the improvements to the stadium.
     
  22. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    no lol, I think I wanna agree with you lol..I'm just not good at politics..but what your saying makes sense..Desides came in and screwed my sh&$ up for a second but now I'm back.lol.
     
  23. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    They have reason to be upset. One guy alone brought this down. This dude Weatherford, by himself, decided he knew best and killed this deal. By all accounts Dolphins had the votes in the state house to pass the approval for the referendum, but this guy Weatherford just decided that he knew best.

    Dolphins are not mad the deal died, they are upset at the way it died. By the will of one lone guy. Dolphins knew this deal had more chances than not to die. It had to pass this vote. It had to pass the referendum. Then it had to acquire superbowl 50 in order to seal the deal. They are just upset to be undone by one guy.
     
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  24. Fin D

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    I'm actually not asking you to trust anything or anyone. I'm just saying the rationale you're using to judge his level of effectiveness makes no sense.
     
  25. ASOT

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    Huh ? We've hosted two in the past 5 years (Colts / Bears and Colts / Saints).
     
  26. ASOT

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    Dude, have you been living in the clouds the last week or so ? How are the "fans" ungrateful ? How are the residents ignorant ? They had NOTHING to do with the failure of this project. How is it they are to blame ?

    <==== incredulous
     
  27. ASOT

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    So you're saying, punish the fans & the local government who were backing this, because some redneck yahoo from West-Central Florida, decided to screw over the Dolphins ?

    Geeee......makes a lot of sense........

    <==== stunned

    What can one say when confronted by such idiotic logic........
     
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  28. djphinfan

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    there wasn't a lot of evidence that Ross had going into this that it would be supported, I mean from what they know they have to buy up 10 mill a season on tickets.
     
  29. ASOT

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    Well DJ I don't agree with NC blaming the fans & government when it was some yahoo with an Anti-Dolphins agenda who screwed this all up. Ross should have showed more restraint and played this behind closed doors, and just made sure he contributed heavily to Weatherford's next opponent.
     
  30. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    There is nothing wrong with publicly calling out Weatherford for what he did. People should be as upset at him as the Dolphins are. He effectively took the choice out of the people's hands. That should upset everyone.

    Dee was disappointed and rightly so, however he took it a bit far with that "bleak future" part. I have no problem with calling out Weatherford.
     
  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    i agree that it's not fair that this dude was allowed to put down the bill, I thought there was a small swell of support building, they lost 10 mill on the campaign and got screwed, I just don't know what the proper approach should be at this point and time, it looks as though Dee was talking with a purpose, but I could be wrong, maybe they got bad legal advice right after the hearing.
     
  32. ASOT

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    DJ he didn't HAVE to buy up anything. He chose to do that.

    DJ why don't you ask the question of why a once very loyal fanbase has turned its back on the team ? Your answer to the 10 million in ticket buys is in that answer.
     
  33. ASOT

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    I guess I can agree with that.....the veiled threat of relocation was the inexcusable part of his rant. That was unnecessary and potentially toxic. It also is unfair to the any faithful fans you do have -- as subtle as it is, it is still a direct threat to the fans, which I think is extremely cruel and unfair.
     
  34. ASOT

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    I'm not sure they ran this past their PR people 1st, who I am sure would have had them tone it down.
     
  35. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    did he buy the tickets for the wrong reasons??

    The venue, combined with bad teams, combined with poor fan support, combined with the bad venue that inspires some bad fan support..it's a messy situation for two programs.
     
  36. djphinfan

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    Man, he looked like an eager bug in that Interview.
     
  37. WhiteIbanez

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    Ah hell I know all that.
    With all the garbage I've read from this fan base lately, makes me wonder.
    It is definitely an unappreciated football team. Sure I hear they will come back if we win. Sounds pretty damn fair weathered to me.
     
  38. ASOT

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    Dee certainly had a message and he made sure it got out. However the old saying says "speak softly but carry a big stick" could apply to this case. Keep it civil on the surface, but make sure to let Weatherford know what is what behind close doors.

    If you did it that way, it makes you look like the classy one, deserving of sympathy and worthy in the future of support.
     
  39. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Agreed..
     
  40. WhiteIbanez

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    Payoff slipped to a Democrat. :shifty:
     

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