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Jason La Canfora: The Miami Dolphins are overhyped

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Section126, May 10, 2013.

  1. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I'm glad to know your not worried about the Colts and Bengals. I really don't think the fans of those two teams are worried too much about the Dolphins either. Just as you probably look at the Dolphins 2013 schedule and pencil these two games in as wins. I have no doubt the fans of the Bengals and Colts look at their teams schedule and see the Dolphins on it and they pencil in wins for their team.

    Fortunately the Dolphins will play both these teams on the playing field and we will all get the opportunity to see which fans should have been worried about playing against the other team.
     
  2. GMJohnson

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    Very true, every team trots out the "we're better this year" line but it's not hard to see who's serious and who's full of ****.

    Everyone knows the additions, but the list of players who WONT be playing as much, or at all for us this year is impressive as well. Nannee, Ocho, Gaffney, Armstrong, Mastrud, DThomas, Brice McCann, Nolan Caroll, and Jimmy Wilson for starters. Even Denney and Carpenter have been out on notice.

    Then there's Long, Bush, Fasano, Bess, S Smith Dansby and Burnett. JMartin is a question mark at LT, so is Lamar Miller at RB, but they appear to have been drafted a year early, specifically for the role they are now being asked to play. The other 5 guys were replaced by younger, proven, veteran NFL players, with even more reinforcements coming via the draft. I don't think I've ever seen a team lose so many veterans w/o a discernible drop in talent to accompany the losses. That's the type of quick turnover you see in Tuscaloosa or Tallahassee, not in an NFL city.
     
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  3. GMJohnson

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    Cincinnati couldn't beat the JV squad we put on the field last year, even with the bogus calls on the muffed punt and the AJ Green fumble. As for Indy, I've watched that game at least 4 times. A million and 1 3rd and long conversions later, they squeaked out a win vs our JV squad, just like they did vs the Lions, Titans, Browns and Vikings. Congrats to them. Cant wait to beat their asses this year.
     
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  4. vt_dolfan

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    Jason is over paid

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  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We needed a #1 speed receiver...Wallace.

    We needed a tackle..Clabo.

    We needed to get rid of Sean Smith..we did..

    We needed to get rid of Reggie Bush's skillset..we did.

    We needed someone to replace Smith..pro bowler Brent Grimes..oh, he's heathy.

    We needed a young corner in the draft with upside..4.37 Jamar Taylor..talented corner who isn't afraid to hit somebody like his predecessor.

    We needed a player that could threat opposite of wake..Avatar.

    We were aggressive and replaced two linebackers that were not producing, for two young fast ones who have good talent and better production.

    I'll take the experience of the youthful Ellerbe being on a Super Bowl and being taught by Lewis, than years in the league that Dansby and Burnett had.

    We didn't take an Olineman with our first pick..nope.

    We didnt give up a hi draft pick and a hi salary for Albert..

    Jake long didnt want to be a Miami dolphin.

    Are there different players out there that could of been aquired instead of the ones we did?..sure, but everyone is on paper at this point, so why not be stoked about the aggressive approach..

    Well, before everything started I would say that Wallace, Grimes, and Ellerbe were the top choices at their positions on the market..all three are Miami dolphins..

    Lets give the paper a chance to come to life before we rip it up..
     
  6. Ohio Fanatic

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    sensible post. Is that you LB?
     
  7. Larryfinfan

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    Actually, Deej...where have you seen that Grimes is healthy...he's coming back from an Achilles' Heal injury.... It could be a year before he's normal or never (see our very own Dan Marino, late in his career). I could be wrong but counting Grimes in as 'healthy' is probably a reach at this point...
     
  8. Ohio Fanatic

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    Like that nickname
     
  9. Ohio Fanatic

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    Yeah, but as much as I support Carpenter, which I still do, he did miss two kicks last season, so Sturgis probably won't be a dropoff on FGs
    besides, unless a kicker misses an XP or a 20 yard FG, I don't blame kickers for "losing games". they either can win the games for you or your offense didn't do a good enough job
     
  10. Zeke0123

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    IMO the paper difference from last year moved the floor up 2 wins and the ceiling up 1....last year I figured best case 10 wins worst case 4 wins..this season I think it's 11 at the ceiling and 6 at the floor if you try and look at it from an outsiders perspective.
     
  11. Ohio Fanatic

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    Hmm, reasonable, although I'd adjust the ceiling my -1 on both accounts. ceiling of 9 last year and 10 this year. takes time to gel as a team.
     
  12. gamblerx

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    We will be in a rude awakening if La Canfora is right...
     
  13. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    When did La Canfora become quotable? Oh, I see now. From the history shown below it was when he said Bill Cowher will be the next Dolphins coach.
     
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  14. gamblerx

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    ^lol
     
  15. ASOT

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    It's interesting how people keep giving Ireland credit for the cap and the new FA contracts when it's actually Dawn Aponte that takes care of all of that. She is a resident cap-manager for the team. Ireland identifies the players and she negotiates the contracts. At least that's the way it's been explained here before.
     
  16. ASOT

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    I don't think too many here are drinking the kool-aid. Most are reasonable and right around what La Canfora predicted - 7/9, 8/8 or 9/7. Not that many think we'll make the playoffs. I see us actually being much better in 2014, hopefully with a new WCO oriented GM at the helm.
     
  17. Larryfinfan

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    Well, I think that is an oversimplification of the end product. Yes, Apponte is the designated main 'money' manager but Ireland has the say-so on all deals and is the designated 'stalemate' breaker within the organization.... When negotiations break down or begin to break down it falls on Irish to make it happen. I'm very glad we have Apponte, as I suspect she will be grabbed up by some team in the near future. Remember that Irish at one time was to jj/Quitcells as Apponte's is now to him in this organization... The question on Apponte might be her ability to see talent, but I don't know if that is part of her responsibilities now or just negotiations...I think it's way to simple to assume that's all she does in the organization...

    Even tho the head of the snake gets the credit/blame, it's still a team effort to make it happen.
     
  18. CD13

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    So if St. Louis signed Wallace then they would be overhyped ? There is some truth about adding a bunch of players and not having it evolve into maximum results for a couple of years (or busting), but the fact that folks are recognizing that Miami is a team on the rise is hardly overhyping imo. We lost a lot of close games last year and then made some great improvements. Hell if Jeff Ireland did nothing, then everyone would be bashing him. Sometimes I think until Miami wins a playoff game that the media won't recognize them...and maybe that is fair...but as a fan tired of it. Lastly If New England signed Wallace everyone would be picking them to win the Super Bowl and probably the World Series too...just saying.
     
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  19. VManis

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    I find this line in his article interesting:

    Can anyone think of an example where a team brought in a lot of "outside" talent and it didn't click the first year but ended up working? In most cases when a team brings in a bunch of outside talent its a last ditch effort by the coach and front office to win now (think Andy Reid or Don Shula). When it doesn't work, the coach and much of the team is sent packing. This is why it seems to me that the Dolphins are in a unique situation, in that as long as they remain respectible in 2013 the FO has a pass to continue to the rebuidling process.
     
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  20. PlanB

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    About time we are being hyped again. Better then being laughed at.
     
  21. Clark Kent

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    if it wasn't for our kicker, we would of been competing for the playoffs. If Tannehill improves, we are a 10-6/11-5 team. We've upgraded every position with the exception of LT. Which may turn out just fine.

    And don't get your hopes up for Ross to dump Ireland. He's here to stay.
     
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  22. muscle979

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    Overhyped? Nobody is picking Miami to unseat New England at the top of the division. I have no idea what this guy is talking about. Being looked at as a possible sleeper by a handful of media people is not exactly being 'over-hyped.' Miami is generally projected to remain in second place, not sure how this guy sees the Jets or Bills changing that.
     
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  23. ckparrothead

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    First off...is Denney on notice?? When did I miss us signing a long snapper?

    Second...that's a really great point and an interesting way of looking at things. I like it.

    Third...Ocho never took any snaps here. Just a nit pick.

    Legedu Naanee took 121 total snaps. Armstrong took 70. Gaffney took 95. Daniel Thomas took (ugh) 332. Jeron Mastrud took 100. Jimmy Wilson took 605. R.J. Stanford took 147. Jonathan Freeny took 39 and Spitler took 11. You could definitely argue that players of this caliber won't take these snaps this year.

    Armstrong and Gaffney weren't necessarily bad players, just in bad situations. New to the team, not allowed time to get any chemistry. But the point remains the Dolphins shouldn't end up having to rely on guys so new to the team this year as they should have better depth. This time next year we could be looking at 100 snaps of Michael Egnew instead of Jeron Mastrud and thinking the same thing about those snaps being upgraded in 2014. I refuse to put Nolan Carroll in there because quite frankly, we don't know that we're going to see better corner play from any of the guys outside of Brent Grimes than what we saw out of Carroll. Jimmy Wilson I'll give you though, and I'll even toss in R.J. Stanford for you. Bryan McCann I refuse. He was actually GOOD. Just watch the tape if you don't believe me. No idea why they didn't renew him.

    That's 1420 bad snaps that should be upgraded just by improving the bottom of the roster. That's somewhere between one and two players' worth. Add onto that the fact that Mike Wallace provides improvement over Bess (460 pass snaps), and Dion Jordan provides improvement over Vernon's pass rush snaps (289), you've got a fair amount of improvement built in...about 2 whole 100% players' worth.

    I just worry about the downgrades we either can't anticipate, or refuse to. An example of a downgrade we refuse to anticipate could be going from Reggie Bush to Lamar Miller. Bush was a consistent play maker despite everyone suddenly jumping on his @ss (which they didn't do until it was clear Miami wasn't having him back, mind you) about him not being fit for the scheme. Fit for the scheme or not he averaged 4.3 yards per carry and scored 8 touchdowns which was the best on offense. An example of a downgrade we can't anticipate would be if Dustin Keller just turns out to be not as good a player as Anthony Fasano all the way around. Keller's coming off injury and didn't get a ton of attention on the market. He scored 2 touchdowns last year where Fasano scored 5 and I don't think Keller is the seam threat people want to say he is. Meanwhile, obviously Keller isn't going to block anywhere near as well as Fasano. Another example of a downgrade we can't anticipate would be the linebacker swap. I'm not sure why we should default to the belief that this is an automatic upgrade. They blitz better but I've never considered that an important skill because it's more about timing and the scheme than anything. It's more than an argument that Dannell Ellerbe isn't as good in coverage as the guys Miami shipped out, I think it's closer to a certainty based on the tape and based on the way he was coached. Wheeler may not be as accomplished either. The bottom line is these two guys are completely unknown in this scheme and they're replacing two guys who actually played pretty well.
     
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  24. djphinfan

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    I've watched a bunch of stuff with his workouts from a couple of months ago til present ( their available on you tube), I'm confident I know what to look for in a rehabilitation, and imo he will be ready to go full soeed this training camp..
     
  25. djphinfan

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    I didn't come up with it, I really liked the Mantis, but he doesn't seem to like that one or understand it I should say, lol, so I'll go with avatar..
     
  26. djphinfan

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    I agree with padre here, Dan carpenter is a fine kicker, excellent with kickoff depth, very accurate since entering the league, he missed a couple kicks at crucial times, then came right out and finished strong, he's still young and those two missed kicks were the first time he's let us down, but, kickers will miss a few kicks here and there, but if you believe he has solid mechanics, they usually wind back into form in no time..basically if your kicker has given you four very good years, then misses two kicks in a season that cost you, I don't believe you move on, I think you let him work it out based in the totality of his game.

    I do understand bringing in competition, last year I stated that Carpenter was not taking care of his body like he should, so I think this is why Sturgis was drafted..
     
  27. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Your right, he's not quotable worthy.
     
  28. P h i N s A N i T y

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    I missed out on the hype...... who actually said this was going to be a good team ? I know we made more signings than usual, but there hasnt been any "look out for the dolphins" hype. But this guy thinks the Rams will out do us ? Pretty silly write-up if you ask me.
     
  29. ckparrothead

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    The most common theme here seems to be that the Dolphins can't be overhyped if they weren't hyped to begin with but I don't buy that because I think the general consensus has been that Miami has had a really positive off season that should vault them into the playoff hunt. Maybe not above New England but there's definitely a consensus building among the media (not Vegas) that Miami is a 9-7 type of team and on a big up trend with Ryan Tannehill.
     
  30. Stringer Bell

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    You could have made this argument before the offseason began.
     
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  31. Pauly

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    Miami are built to be on the upswing. Part of the LB carousel was to get younger at the position so we would get more years out of the core group of players. Lamar Miller and Jonas Gray weren't signed to replace Reggie Bush/Daniel Thomas in 2012, but in 2013. This years draft seems to be about finding players who will contribute in 2014 onwards.

    I do believe that the Dolphins are going to be a 9-7 and in the WC hunt kind of team, but the question marks at OL, RB and DB are such that expecting more would be silly and that 7-9 or 8-8 would not be a disgrace.

    The risks that Philbin is taking on players is that he is taking risks on talented players who need to be coached to develop. Your level of optimism in the team will depend on your faith in Philbin to develop talent.
     
  32. Desides

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    You would have had little ammunition for that argument.

    Patrick Scales signed April 8.
     
  33. Fin D

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    Why is that?

    We were 2 missed kicks away from being 9-7. No reason to think if our team had stayed completely intact, we couldn't get to 9-7.
     
  34. Stringer Bell

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    Expecting marginal improvement from the QB.
     
  35. LBsFinest

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    I would say a 5th straight year without a winning record would be pretty pathetic.
     
  36. ckparrothead

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    Since I just did Omar a favor and actually subjected myself to Daniel Thomas' full season of film in order to create a video...it brings to mind that our depth at tailback is worrisome.

    Lamar Miller came into the league with an injury. I wouldn't accuse him of being one of those guys that never gets hurt. If he does get hurt we're down to a rookie 5th rounder Gilislee, Daniel Thomas, and an unproven Jonas Gray. That's not good.
     
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  37. djphinfan

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    Can we expect him to use you as part of his scouting staff?.. Which is pretty cool if you think about it, as long as he admits that his scouting staff did the work on the guy he's talking about, it's actually a pretty cool angle for a reporter.
     
  38. Pauly

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    IF Tannehill plays well and our rookies show signs of development, I wouldn't say the year would be write off if the W-L column isn't in our favour. This year is building for a serous run from 2014+.
     
  39. Ohio Fanatic

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    I wasn't disagreeing with Padre or dissing Carpenter. I'm on record for supporting Carpenter even when all the idiots were crying for his head when he missed those two kicks. If Sturgis can have kickoffs like Carpenter (I have no idea one way or other) then you have to think about the 3+ million Carpenter is making.
     
  40. Fin D

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    I was one of those idiots.

    His job is to make kicks. He missed ones that cost us games.
     
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