That's pretty low. Sounds like a post a jets fan would make. I'd never wish a player's career to end just because he's good at playing.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...fourth-surgery-left-forearm-according-sources needs a 4th surgery
Apparently he is going to need disc surgery again as well. When he was a prospect his health was the major concern and it's surprising it's coming up so early in his career.
Not being as careful as he could be and not taking care of your body is another. He's one of the most well-conditioned TEs out there and he stays in the gym. Was he immature at times, sure, but he's def hard-working as well. And there's nothing that definitively says his infection was a result of him not being careful.
Being conditioned is different than taking care of an injury. I mean he's had to have more than one surgery on his arm, most likely due to his not being careful with it...like wrestling, for example, and that many surgeries can be why there was an infection. And really being immature enough to re-injure your arm multiple times is kinda the same as not caring about recovery. If he cared, he would have been more careful.
Being conditioned is taking care of your body though. You really can't say most likely due to not being careful when an infection can occur after any surgery. If I'm not mistaken didn't he have a plate put in his arm that became infected? That's somewhat common when they have to add hardware and screws to your bones. If we don't know for sure how he re-injured it then you can't automatically chalk it up to not being careful. Same thing w his back. And to wish him illwill and hope he's just not healthy enough to play against us is pretty weak, imo. The guy who said that sounds like a Jets fan comment was spot on.
FTR, I didn't wish him ill will. I only wish Vick and Big Rape ill will, cause **** those guys. Right, we don't know why he needed 4 surgeries for one arm break. We do know he didn't rest the injury after it happened and didn't each time after each surgery, until the last one. My point was that's pretty strong circumstantial evidence and if it turns out to be right, then with each surgery due to not taking it easy increased his chance of infection. Maybe not taking it easy didn't cause the problems with needing more surgeries, but if he had taken it easy, we'd know for sure. Know what I mean?
Are we supposed to blame him for playing with it in the playoffs? That was where he initially re-broke it.
Will point out Slickj, there is a difference between being well conditioned and being healthy. Was it the night after the SB he was out clubbing? Do not wish him or anyone to be injured, however cannot say I'm really surprised that his recovery has been complicated.
No, as in his ankle was still jacked up (among other things) and the first thing he does is.. Nothing wrong with going out and having fun etc, however you have to take care of your body as well. If there is an issue, you handle it then go out. Superman's syndrome leads to your body throwing some kryptonite in your game. As for "well conditioned" vs "healthy" if you pump enough meds into your backside, one can get into great condition, but you are more than likely not very healthy.
So basically bc he was hurt like every other football player and went out on the night of the year that'd give him the most time to rest before the next season, he's Superman and we might as well assume he juices? Ok...
Hurt and played a month deeper into the season then 28 other teams did, ie, "superman". As for juicing, nope, again, what one should understand is these players are shot with all manner of stuff to make it through a season, stuff like effecting your internal processes is not a real big concern for the players. Liver and kidney function, stress on the heart and immune system, a injury that would sideline you or I from work for weeks they play 6 days later on them, that does not happen out of just "oh they are tough". Think the body needs time to heal fully?
And how does any of that make him more unhealthy or less-conditioned than any other football player? It doesn't.
Yea you said his body needs time to heal while he had the entire offseason ahead of him. Don't know how that doesn't make sense.
Well no, but then not taking that lesson into the offseason before 2 more surgeries, certainly indicates a disconnect in his thought process in regards to protecting his arm while it heals.
For all we know that initial re-brake was the start and cause of all the problems he's had since then.
Sure, but then if you're having problems with an arm that's been rebroken, why would you wrestle? I honestly don't understand your defense here....do you think it was good idea to not take it easy on arm that has been broken or and broken again before it healed?
lol You guys are trying so hard to make that video out to be a way bigger thing than it was. He's immature and goofy at times off the field but you guys are taking it to another level. Is screwing around going to make an infection worse? Did his immaturity make him break it again after the Texans game?
I ask again, do you think it was good idea to not take it easy on an arm that has been broken and broken again before it healed? Whether doing that lead to the issues he's having now or not, was it a good idea? Does it really demonstrate a thought process that shows a concern for his health? I seriously don't understand why you're even arguing this.
Of course it's not a good idea but does it mean that he's not concerned at all for his health? Absolutely not. He's taking a risk by doing that but as far as we know he hasn't made it any worse. I'm arguing it bc people act like his issues all stem from immaturity when in reality he went out there too early to help his team win a playoff game and ended up paying the price for it. A lot different than what's been thrown around here.
Ok, so it was a bad idea. That we can agree on. Now, why did Gronk take the avenue that was (as we agreed) a bad idea? Did it occur to him that it was a bad idea and he did it anyway or did it just never occur to him? If he knew it was a bad idea and did it anyway, then he doesn't care about his health. If it never occurred to him, then he's a dimwit. Are those fair "if, then" statements?
Ah I see we're going to act like there's no degrees of risk. I'm sure horsing around with a cast on is the same as going on a meth bender but just making sure. I'd guess it occurred to him to be careful seeing as you can see him make sure to not involve the arm w the cast on it when he was fooling around. Assuming you've seen the video.
You said earlier that not taking it easy on arm that was trying to heal from being broken a second time was a bad idea....are you now changing what you meant?
Well it's right there w the meth bender and diving into a vat of dirty needles. Clearly it negates all the hard work and training he's done continuously for the last 15 or so years. Just as unhealthy as Lindsey Lohan and Charlie Sheen's crack baby, obviously.
The only person making those comparisons are you. All I'm saying is that you admitted it was bad idea, then you seemed to change from that.
