Heath Evans thinks EVERY one of our draft picks will fail! What!?!

How much homework can the scouts do on a guys personality and character?

We don't need to look very far for an example of the inherent risk. Nobody in Miami knew Brandon Marshall was mentally ill when they traded for him. They had to find out the hard way. You know who knew? The Denver Broncos, which is why they never were dumb enough to pay him.

 

So no big trades or free agent spending? They do have tape of every single snap wallace has taken, but your right he could be crazy.

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Brandon Marshall didn't even know. he was diagnosed after coming to Miami but his extra curricular activities were and Miami still took a chance on him because of his talents. he is still a talented receiver even tho he only seems to make an effort for Cutler but not even the Broncos knew about his illness because he wasn't diagnosed until he came to Miami. the point is Miami had the money, did the research they felt was adequate and and made the move. Evans crapped on that decision because he felt we paid too much for him. almost every other analyst has given examples of how they think Wallace will fit or wont fit in Miami based on his known skill set...that is fine because it is tangible and relevant to the situation. Evans basic argument is that we spent too much for him...hmmm makes sense to me NOT

 

Heath Evans is a hack. He is more properly prepared to lick sweat from a fat mans nipples. He never did much in the nfl and now he believes he can be a GM. I care more about why the nfl network would hire such a fool. NFLN quality control please.

He trys to make points that arent true . Wallace was pursued and offered a contract from pitt we outbid. Ellerbe was wanted and expected to take over a probowl players roll and instrumental in there superbowl run. We picked ther pocket and we out bid.

We had the cash, and we know we saved money while getting younger and more aggressive at the position same with Wheeler. Heath is alot of hot air he needs someone to do research for him.

Now on Dion sure he's rookie but with alot of upside, the majority of scouts and GM's had him top 5 and best defensive player avail. so whys it a reach. and he thinks it Dion jordan won't hurt the Patsies ok but with Dion the Krakken will.

 

Not just crazy. There are certain types of personalities that you want, and certain types you don't. That's a big part of building a winning team.

I think it's fine to trade for or sign players in the right context. As I said earlier, I like the Wheeler signing. He plays a position that isn't prohibitive. By that I mean his position isn't in overwhelming demand. QB, pass rusher, WR, LT, and probably receiving TE are positions where you simply don't see young, talented players available. If you do, there is usually a catch. Wheeler also came from a team with a new front office. Their front office likely relied on whatever they were told by coaches still there, but they had no first hand experience. And Wheeler isn't really getting all that much guaranteed money.

 

You can't overpay for touchdowns when 1 in each of 5 occasions would have seen you win 4 games and send another into OT. That's 11-4-1 and a playoff berth.

Debate all there is to debate. We paid Mike Wallace for the same reason the Rams traded up for Tevon Austin. I don't hear anyone criticising that move.

Is it the money? Oh, well geez, okay, you've got me there. "Hey Jeffy ol boy ol pal of mine. We spent too much on Mikey. Lets givem back and take all them buckaroonies and spread them around these wonderful Dolfan folk here about. What's that? Can't do that? Well heavens to Betsy why not? Not the fans money? No? Well what can we do to try and please these do-gooders? Speak up, sonny. Spend the dough on the most explosive player in FA you say? Sure sounds mighty good to me. We can't? Why not? We did? Can we get him back?"

Don't forget to tip your waitress.

 

I can't believe this is all about Heath F'ing Evans. I also can not believe some people giving him as much credit as they are. We constantly discuss or complain how practically everyone in the sports media sucks and now Heath is some credible, smart analyst with some "inside sources". LOL! This whole issue with him has been completely over-analyzed. Look, he, obviously, has some negative feelings about the Phins. It's now become a little pet issue or stance with him. It's now his little hook and he needs to run with it. These guys have to have something, some stance to separate themselves and get the ratings and keep their jobs. There's plenty of ex-players waiting in line to take his place, but if you have a shred of common sense, you can see the obvious little negative pet issues he has with the Phins. Ones which are not just based off of objective analysis. Big f'ing deal and we as Phin fans should ***** about it....for a couple of posts. That's part of the fun of being a diehard fan.

With that said, I'll throw in my bit for the hell of it. "Pressure from the edge doesn't effect Brady. You need pressure from the middle". LOL! Seriously? If we're discussing football, pressure from the edge will effect EVERY QB!! We didn't have a complete team or great coach at that time, but I remember JT and Ogunleye having a big effect coming off the edge. It is obvious that, outside of Wake, the team didn't have much of a pass rush threat. That's clear.

Also, you don't have to have DTs break into the backfield for sacks, but our DL is very solid. Pressure can come off the edge and if nothing else, can get in his face and disrupt him and help stop those killer screens Brady has thrown. So, if the pressure comes off the edge and Brady is good at taking the couple of steps up to avoid the pressure, he runs into a pretty formidable DL. It's not like our DL are slouches. I don't really fear Brady constantly tucking and going for twenty yards on this DL. Even if you take the arbitrary number of 18 sacks or something close to that, does he think that any of those sacks may be against Brady? ..and if so, does he think that they will have no effect on the game?

Regarding Wallace, people look at him in and of himself and not in the context of his possible role and fit on the team. It's a much more balanced receiving unit. We have very good possession types in Hartline and Gibson. We have guys who can run slot, seem and shorter stuff in Keller, and again Gibson and good receiving RBs. Hopefully Egnew and or Sims can be good, but we needed a guy with the speed and ability to go deep and stretch the D, get chunk yardage and score TDs. Also, as Philbin has stated or implied, a guy who can also run more routes than just the deep route.

People also often forget the influence and effect from Philbin and the coaching staff. This a totally new team, guided by a new vision, plan and scheme, etc, etc, etc. A lot of the talking heads or, depending on your opinion, talking meat heads, just isolate certain issues without seeing the big picture. They probably don't even have the time or will to do so. So be it.

 

It is time to move on from Heath Evans. Time to talk about the team, and training camp soon I hope.

 

You don't need a formal diagnosis to know someone isn't right in the head.

 

My wife says this all the time.

 

Says the sane guy.

 

IMO, that is true about any QB. Adding outside pressure does make your middle pressure more effective though.

 

That's interesting, since he went to Georgia Tech...

 

Has any draft analyst said he is a liability against the run? Playing standing up as a OLB, while he's no Carl Banks, I didn't see him as a liability against the run personally. So, when it goes against all the published scouting reports, to say he is only a pass rusher is indeed controversial.

Actually, the word is "linchpin" not lynchpin.

 

o...m...g...


really?

so the scouting wasn't really needed then huh....

 

LMAO.

Do you really think that people smart enough to ignore professional opinions (like some of the people here) will stop to consider professional opinions? Not likely. This thread is still alive b/c of a) mods who will say anything to keep discussion alive and b) people who fancy themselves smarter than anyone employed by the Dolphins.

INOW not the kind of people you will ever win an argument with.

 

Even if he was a liability vs the run, the rest of our front 7 excels vs the run and it'd be an easy weakness to compensate for. Not that NFL coordinators are dumb enough to cast away their well crafted game plans in order to do exactly what we're expecting them to do to begin with.

 

Why was I thinking Anthony spencer..lol

 

Sometimes when I sit in meetings I doodle, and yesterday I wrote down the names of all the players I could think of that made up the 90 man roster (of course without cheating). There are a ton of offensive linemen on this team (well if you count Jerry anyway). There will be some competition at least at the backup level. I hope there are some surprises in this unit. Would like to see a guy like Samuda continue to develop. Would like to see a young tackle assert himself like McDonald, Yeatman, or Adams. And Ireland signed arguably two of the better undrafted free agents in Brenner and Barker. Both had draftable grades.
I also like the linebacker, corner, and running back competition, even if it might be more about specific roles or backup situations. I haven't been this excited about some of the youth on a Dolphin roster in a long time.

 

One thing that Evans said is that Brady isn't adversely affected by outside pressure, but by inside pressure. What Evans is missing there is that our inside pressure is very good. It's also been hampered by lack of outside pressure and we'd be in a lot of trouble if we didn't have Wake the last few years to supply at least some outside pressure.

But you know what.... If Wake and Jordan are applying enough pressure to make Brady step up in the pocket, our DTs are more than good enough to cause him problems in the middle....They only have so many blockers and someone, if in fact Jordan is that answer on the right side this coming season, is gonna get to Brady.... I'm not a former player, nor am I guru, but if you add the pressure from the right with what we got from the middle guys and Wake....Brady may have some issues...

 

There is a catch though, the steelers are in cap trouble. They couldn't pay both brown and wallace with out major sacrifices. I think that we knew what we were getting with marshal, his contract was easy to get out of, and the reports were out there. He just is that much of a talent, his diagnoses was public and the bears still gave up two thirds. Our team priorities shifted and we were no longer willing to put up with the extra crap for that talent.

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Gotta keep in mind that the Wallace thing came about from a different regime than the Marshall dealings... This move has Philbin written all over it, even if Wallace is a little less than what Philbin looks for in a complete WR. What he lacks can be taught...the speed part of his game can't be... I am giddy thinking about what Philbin can do with that kind of speed in his offense...

 

I don't really care much for Evan's analysis b/c it's based on such limited thinking. His main beef is that Jordan will be a liability against the run b/c of his weight. He believes that you just can't be a good run defender at 245. The thing is that Evans has already been proven wrong. JT played at the same weight (actually a little lighter) and was always very good against the run. In fact his first three years here that was really all he did. Evans next complaint is about Wallace's contract. I do agree that there he has a point there, but what he misses is that we are in pretty good cap shape so we can afford to have a few bigger contracts. There is no question that Wallace fills a need for us as a player. Evan's third beef is about replacing the LBs. I would have preferred to keep Dansby (the Dolphins did too) for his man coverage ability, but there is no question that the additions increase our LB speed and range. Evans also is fixated on the overall numbers of the contracts they got and doesn't seem to understand that those contracts fit well within our salary structure.

 

Thats exactly my point. The fact that they weren't willing to make sacrifices says something about Wallace. You make it a point to keep your best players.

 

Or Brown...could be that they felt that Brown's price was going to be more reasonable, even tho Wallace might have been the better option...??

 

They actually tried to keep Wallace first. My understanding is that Brown basically accepted the same contract amount that Wallace turned down.

 

Which tells us, that Pitt had only X to spend, regardless of the absolute insanity Stringer is trying to make fact.

 

It also says something about the Steelers that they weren't willing to keep their best WR. Him not being worth 12M to the Steelers, who got Brown for 8M, doesn't mean he isn't worth that to the Dolphins. We didn't have a Brown to fall back on, and we had much more cap room.

 

They gave Brown about 10 million less than what they offered Wallace last year, also the steelers were about 15 mill over the salary cap going into this last offseason, so after only one year, they had to, out of desperation restructure Antonio browns contract, and they did this past February.

Basically if the meathead said, the steelers couldn't afford mike Wallace, he would of been accurate, cause that's the researched truth, they wanted mike Wallace bad, but I guess he forgot to add that tidbit of information as it would not of made Ireland look as bad as he wanted him to look.

 

But, but, but...he knows people in the Steeler's organization, he's on their speed dial and everything.

 

Lol..15 mill over the cap..restructured Browns contract after a year...and they lost the player they wanted really bad...

Lol

 

Obviously the steeler organization got insulted by the rejection, and made an example out of Wallace, doesn't mean they didnt want his *** in their team.

 

You don't let great players go just to make an example of them. Could anyone here imagine letting Pouncey or Wake go, simply to make a point? That happens with guys like Jake Long and Sean Smith.

 

You do if you can't afford them. Which is what happened. Its been documented and reported. You have no leg to stand on.

 

This is just misleading. They absolutely could afford Mike Wallace. They chose to put their money elsewhere.

EDIT: and history is actually the biggest leg to stand on, and history is pretty clear on the odds of success in free agency, especially from successful teams.

 

I think the best example you brought up was when you said imagine that Ryan Tannehill becomes a great quarterback for us but when it comes time for Ryan Tannehill's contract to expire, we just don't have the money available to re-sign him. By the logic of a lot of people in this thread, I guess we're just supposed to say "C'est la vie!"

But we all know that's not the case. If he's important to the team, you set money aside for him.

 

Can't you answer that with the Ravens current situation losing Kruger, Ellerbe and Boldin? Teams have to make decisions and prioritize based on their current roster. The Steelers thought they could replace Mike Wallace - that doesn't mean they don't think Mike Wallace is a good player. He just may have more value to Miami than he does Pittsburgh.

I don't understand the Pittsburgh part of this. Miami was competing against teams that viewed Wallace as a similar need. If we're arguing they paid more than Minnesota would have, that's fair - but assuming that every single FA that leaves was not prioritized by their team and therefor a bad signing is pretty flawed logic.

 

Stringer, they tried to sign him for a little over 10 mill a year, when he rejected their offer they immediately signed Brown to a forty million dollar contract 2 years before his contract was up, if you don't think they wanted him bad your mistaken..I wish you would please stop being so defiant in the face of the truth, they offered him the biggest contract ever, how you twist that up is beyond frustrating.

They wanted him..stop playin.

 

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