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Aaron Hernandez

Discussion in 'AFC East Rivals' started by aboome, Jun 18, 2013.

  1. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Anyone not the difference between a b I t c h and a Ho? A Ho sleeps with everyone, a b I t c h sleeps with everyone but you.

    Lucky is more like a Ho.
     
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  2. padre31

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    How is it known that he smashed it? Or was driving the car?

    This is one of the perils of trial by media.

    For example the "last" subject of trail via media, George Zimmerman's actual day in court started a couple of days ago and all of the strutting fury beforehand has now..disappeared.

    THAT is how easily people are manipulated.
     
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  3. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    thats basically what I was saying.

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  4. Stringer Bell

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    Losing the cell phone would mean they could possibly find it.

    What else is he going to do with the car? Burn it?
     
  5. Justright

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    IMO, if he was involved it would make more sense to leave it there than take it home or return it back to Enterprise. He can play it off like he loaned to someone. It's also a good defense, "Why would I leave my car there? Do I look that stupid to you?"

    FTR, he could have had other incriminating stuff on his phone/security cameras other than murder. Drug deals, male escorts, Tom Brady in a thong and heels blowing the team etc etc. However, I'd rather get pinched for buying weed than murder.
     
  6. Stringer Bell

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    Leaving the car there would automatically implicate him. At the time he likely believed they would have no idea that his car was at the scene of the murder.
     
  7. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    It would be so much easier for him if he lived in the Game of Thrones universe
     
  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Actually, that is the worst defense one can mount "..do you think I'm that stupid..?"

    Doesn't matter, all that matters is what a jury believes and they rarely believe that one.

    Have to think he did not know his two knuckleheaded friends would not leave a rental car there.
     
  9. Justright

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  10. Ronnie Bass

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    Yeah, because California is full of nutjobs. I trust a jury in Massachusetts would be a bit more stable.
     
  11. Justright

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    Bandwagon Patriot fans on the jury will not find him guilty.
     
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  12. Ronnie Bass

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    I wouldn't be worried about it, if this was something more minor like assault or DUI accident I would agree but execution style murder, nothing pretty about that.
     
  13. Ronnie Bass

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    Seeing a lot tweets that the warrant for his arrest has been issued, to tell the truth they have been popping up all day but these look like the real deal.
     
  14. Ronnie Bass

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  15. Samphin

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    Nothing new. I doubt we see any movement until Monday.
     
  16. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    BB can take the cap money saved from this, sign TO and Moss oldest FA's just hanging around and Brady can beat the Jets two times with ez and save money.
     
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  17. Ronnie Bass

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    I think that's up to the police and AH's lawyers, strike a deal to bring him in. I'm sure his lawyers will try to push it to Monday, but I also don't think AH did himself any favors by trying to destroy evidence, they very well might say **** that ****, we want his *** in here now.
     
  18. Jt0323

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  19. The police may arrest him but the obstruction of justice charge will never stick. It will be dismissed by the judge.
     
  20. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Depends what can of Judge it is.....I have personally seen people get 5 years on obstruction....

    this isn't about the charge this it's the authorities say "cooperate"....and at this point he does and should.
     
  21. The 5th amendment protects him from having to cooperate.

    5th ammendment- No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation


    The problem he has is that he is the last person known to be seen with the vicitim
     
  22. Ronnie Bass

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    Does the 5th amendment protect him when he willfully destroy evidence? And I can't understand for the ****ing life of me why you're defending this scumbag.
     
  23. Stringer Bell

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    Difference btw not coooerating and willfully destroying evidence.

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  24. GreysonWinfield

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    The 5th doesn't cover obstruction of justice, nor does any other amendment. The part you are referencing allows you not to testify against yourself in court. He could be called to testify by the prosecutor at trial. Does he have to admit to destroying evidence? No, at that point he could plead the 5th. If the evidence presented shows beyond a resonable doubt that he did, he would be convicted.
     
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  25. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Must be a keeper on his fantasy team.
     
  26. I'm not defending him. I'm defending his right of presumed innocence and his ability to defend himself by not assisting the police. There is no proof that that he has deystroyed any evidence.

    There is no crime in breaking your cell phone, erasing a hard drive, or having your home cleaned. Any halfway decent lawyer will be able to beat the obstruction charge. The bigger problem he has is that he was the last person seen with Odin. That is something that he will need to explain.
     
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  27. finyank13

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    Agreed those principals apply, but when there is evidence directly against you as opposed to someone who has no evidence against them, it is a totally different story. Those liberties we have will always apply but it comes to a game of chess. And when they seat a jury in the box and the DA comes with all the evidence (and again there is some being published right now nevermind what isn't published) it becomes A) very one sided and B) almost never works in the defendants behavior. I cannot tell you the countless numbers of people and JJ can attest as well you take the 5th and don't cooperate, only to be made to look like fools and tact on 7-10 extra years for no reason. Hernandez needs to be very real with himself right now and realize if he did play a part in this the last thing he should be doing is saving his existence, the game is over, cooperate and plea out. Be a man, if he took part in taking a life of another innocent human being, he needs to man up repent and do the time instead of trying to duck everything. This isn't TV. Not to mention also you piss off the Judge whom at sentencing time remembers that.....Again I am not talking like if the cops come up to me or you and say "you killed Odin Lloyd confess" we would obviously say "prove it, where the evidence?" In this case the evidence if what's being reported is true exist.
     
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  28. finyank13

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    You are assuming that's all they have is that they he broke stuff, what if upon searching the house they have DNA evidence as well....that is something that wouldn't be reported.....
     
  29. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    and thank GOD for that, because many killers would be on the street still...
     
  30. padre31

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    Would have to be proven that he actually destroyed it..himself.

    INOW, the charge of "obstruction of justice" is a bit of a catch all and one quite frankly, I'd not be too worried about if I were Hernandez, the real problem is he shot a man in the face in Florida (assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder) and there is a dead guy that it looks like he is attached to (conspiracy to committ murder etc)

    DA can think what he wants to, plain fact is he also has to show there was actual evidence destroyed, atm his personal property was damaged it remains to be seen if there was actually evidence attached to it, his problem is the actual shot men.

    FWIW Greyson, not 100% that the DA can call a defendant to the witness stand, if it were a seperate trial then sure, but he can take a blanket 5th amendment privilege at that point b/c he is charged in connection with the case.
     
  31. Stringer Bell

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    A halfway decent prosecutor will find a way to make it stick. Hernandez will have to lie about how and why these things happened, and at some point the lies catch up with themselves.

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  32. daphins

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    I honestly don't see how he gets out of a murder charge short of someone else confessing

    1. You have a murdered man and his body

    2. You have Hernansez rental car in the area

    3. You have a personal connection between the 2 individuals

    4. You have video evidence that he was with the deceased before he was deceased

    5. After getting a warrant for evidence, that evidence was destroyed


    There's enough to warrant connecting him to the murder, an impeding the investigation. There's no way that the judicial system will let him get away with destroying evidence in a capital murder case, especially one this high-profile.
     
  33. GreysonWinfield

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    In trial it would need to be proven. To get it to that point you only need to convince the grand jury that the evidence that you have is enough to move it forward.

    I was just using an example of if he was called as a witness. If there is no connection of the witness to the case they would not allow it, otherwise it would be an open invitation to invite every swinging dick on the stand.
     
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  34. padre31

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    Indictments mean jackola really, it's merely a formal statement of charges, the process was hijacked long long ago.

    From my pov, he has to consult with his lawyer and see if indeed he is "caught" if so then it is in his interest to turn state's witness, if not, he should not say a word.

    That really is how it chops out, this is one of the reasons why we see these "leaks", they are designed to build pressure on him imo.
     
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  35. djphinfan

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    If your innocent why not just talk to the cops?

    Oh he did some shady sh$),or he's covering up some shady sh$$ done by his friends, either way, he gone.
     
  36. Frumundah Finnatic

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    Boy I cant wait to hear what Heath Evans says about this.
     
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  37. GreysonWinfield

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    They better have better evidence than that to convict him and I doubt the prosecutors office wants to look like asses by trying the case with just those 5 pieces of string. Even if he destroyed the evidence they have to directly tie him to the murder if they want to bring him to trial on those charges.
     
  38. unluckyluciano

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    im thinking they get something off of the security camera. If they catch him lying about that, they can cast more doubt.
     
  39. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    Yeah. Police departments are usually closed on weekends :p

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  40. I'm not assuming anyhing. If the da has a case they should charge him and have a trial. You are innocent until proved guilty. The burden of proof is on the prosecution. You guys all have out your pitchforks and torches out based on what?
     

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