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Travon Martin Trial

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by RickyBobby, Jun 26, 2013.

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  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Which is what the physical evidence also shows
     
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    You know this for a fact how? I think it patently obvious some would find Zimmerman guilty no matter what he did... Two can play that game buddy ;)
     
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  3. Justright

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    And? Don't play dumb. You're the one who foolishly wrote what you did. I showed you an example as to why you're wrong.

    It's not a fact. Zimmerman claims that he lost Martin BEFORE he got out of his truck and that he was trying to walk to the front of a house in order to get an address. He couldn't drive through the yards, so he walked. Again, if this is true, and a jury believes it to be true then Zimmerman wasn't chasing anyone. You claiming it as fact just shows your bias.

    You don't understand the legal definition of assault. The definition you provided. Getting out of your car is not assault. Following someone is not assault. If Zimmerman pulled out his pistol and started shooting it in the air cowboy style and pointing it at Martin BEFORE Martin punches him in the face, then yes, it could be deemed assault. However, from all accounts nothing of the sort happened. Zimmerman told the dispatcher that he lost Martin. He told the dispatcher that he was looking for an address....because the dispatcher kept asking him for an address. According to Zimmerman as he was returning to his truck Martin approached him. Does that sound like a poor, scared, little kid?

    Again, you're presuming that Zimmerman "chased" him. Following someone is not a crime. I'll tell you what. Tell me where you live and at what time you'll be walking down your street. I'll come and follow you. I want you to then turn around punch me in the face and bash my head into the ground. I'll call the cops and you'll be arrested or I'll shoot you. Now, I'll put this all on tape and if it happens like I just described...you'll either get arrested or be dead and I won't be held after the cops see my video.

    Now, if every time you walk down your street I follow you...that's called "stalking", which is a crime, but it's stalking, not assault.
     
  4. padre31

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    "Beating on him MMA style"

    Martin is on top of him, hitting him in that manner, of course, I'd guess some would then say "Well Zimmerman had it coming!"
     
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  5. Fin D

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    The difference being, I'm not playing a game, I'm very serious and have actual points based in facts.
     
  6. Justright

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    Scratches?

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    These injuries are very consistent to what would happen if a person where punched in the face and hit their head on a sidewalk. Do you think Zimmerman just went limp and allowed Martin to bash his head without resisting? lol
     
  7. Fin D

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    What does MMA style mean exactly?

    I've shown that Zimmerman chasing Martin while armed is assault. Since it was assault, Martin had every right "MMA Style" on Zimmerman.

    Prove what Zimmerman did by chasing Martin wasn't assault then we'll talk.
     
  8. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    OK. He was clearly an idiot and thought he was a police officer. Yeah it's possible. It may play into a jury's mind if they think he had other motivations. But I still think you have to pull that away from the struggle. Even if he followed him because he was black it doesn't have to change anything. A black guy can break into the house of someone from the KKK and end up dead in a struggle. I dont know that it really matters if the force was justified.
     
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  9. Fin D

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    Who had the worse injuries, Zimmerman or Martin?
     
  10. Fin D

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    So Zimmerman's motivation is completely irrelevant?
     
  11. padre31

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    -mounted on top punching in face
    -no, you did not, as has been pointed out, several times, Zimmerman did NOT assault Martin
    -no, Zimmerman did not chase Martin, and was out of his vehicle at the request of the dispatcher to try and find an address.

    Martin confronted Zimmerman directly and proceeded to beat him mma style, I'm still awaiting a rebuttal of that from one based on the facts as presented.

    Basically, one seems to think following a black male at night is assault, and whatever happened afterwards was "their" fault, thus "delusional" or perhaps better said "delusion-ally biased to predetermined outcome"

    So far, the only ones who have come across as racists that night were the States witness "Rachel" and Martin himself.
     
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  12. jdang307

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    Lol at "scratches" on the back of his head.
    A 1" laceration is not a "scratch.

    He had a broken nose, two black eyes, two lacerations (not scratches) to the back of his head, bruising in his upper lip and cheek.

    The craziest part of this whole story is it would NOT be a story if everyone didn't think Zimmerman was a white guy. If it was George Hernandez (no relation to Aaron) this would have been another tragic killing that would make the local news.

    Think about it. How many black kids get killed every weekend in Chicago? They just had a weekend with over 40 shootings from Friday to Sunday. Last year too.

    When it came out Zimmerman was hispanic some newspapers tried to call him a White Hispanic. Funny, never heard the NYT call Barack Obama a white black guy!

    Media and activists latched on because they thought George was a white guy, with a last name Zimmerman. It's been blown way out of proportion.
     
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  13. Justright

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  14. slickj101

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    And how many stiches did these gigantic gashes need to close?
     
  15. Fin D

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    lol. Padre says its not a assault therefore it isn't, even though it is by the absolute criteria in the actual statute, like I've shown. He chased him. He chased him with a gun. Assault. Simple.
     
  16. Justright

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    You sure do seem to have all the facts! have you contacted the Stanford PD? You really should. They'd love to know all about these facts. lol
     
  17. Justright

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    Sure it does. It shows a rash of break-ins that were done by black males
     
  18. Fin D

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    That's just a lie.

    The outrage was that a black kid was shot and killed under suspicious circumstances and the notoriously racist Sanford justice system did nothing about it.
     
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    Maybe he shot martin before martin could do more damage.

    After all, it's a FACT that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating him MMA style. ;)
     
  20. Fin D

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    It was Sanford, not Stanford, Sport. Again facts..get some and then get them straight, then come back here.
     
  21. Justright

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    Sure it is. Cops stop people all the time who are acting weird.
     
  22. Fin D

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    I'm sure if you were being chased by an armed man you didn't know at night, wouldn't make you feel threatened at all.

    I'm gonna say it right now....if you say you would not, you're a liar.
     
  23. maynard

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    How narrow is the question? Can you not use legal deadly force on people you hate?
     
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  24. Justright

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    Top mount, ground-and-pound.

    You've shown nothing except your bias and knee-jerk, racist, accusations.
     
  25. Fin D

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    Yes, cops do. Raise your hand if Zimmerman was a cop. See you need training to be a cop. Zimmerman didn't have the training. He wasn't allowed to be a cop....why was that?
     
  26. slickj101

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    And they were proven guilty?
     
  27. Justright

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    Who was legally allowed to use force? This is why you sound foolish. Posts like this.
     
  28. Fin D

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    You mean I've shown nothing except that Zimmerman committed assault by the actual statute.......meanwhile, you're pissy people are questioning why its ok to shoot black kids to death.
     
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    Following someone is not assault.
     
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  30. Fin D

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    Martin. He was assaulted.
     
  31. Justright

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    And you have John Q. Public, AKA FinD, eating it up hook, line, and sinker.
     
  32. Fin D

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    1st of all, it was brought up.
    2nd of all, it is assault.

    When you chase someone down while armed, that's assault by definition.
     
  33. Justright

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    Typos? Really? That's what you've been reduced to? haha
     
  34. padre31

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    -you've yet to show Zimmerman chased him
    -you've yet to show who confronted who
    -you've yet to prove "chasing" is assualt, if one knows anything about the law binky, one then reads the subsections where the exact elements are detailed, may want to start there, and you may want to look at actual case law to bolster your assertion..go ahead..I'll wait..
    -you've yet to rebutt Martin bashing Zimmerman's head into the pavement

    One continues to reference "the racist Sanford PD!" what does that have to do with what happened that evening other to show your bias that "he shot a young black man and the Sanford PD was not going to charge him as they are known to be racists"

    You've yet to engage the fact that only people who said anything remotely racist that evening was not George Zimmerman, it was "Rachel" and Martin.


    Thus delusion-ally biased.
     
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    Did Martin know Zimmerman was armed? You do realize that Martin was about 50yrds from his house, right? If he was truly scared he would have ran home instead of confronting Zimmerman.
     
  36. Justright

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    Learn the law and learn that what Zimmerman did was not illegal. Why do you think they have police recommended Neighborhood Watch programs? Is it so they DON'T report suspicious activity? lol
     
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    They were arrested. did you not read my post? And witnesses all said they were black in those cases I posted. Are these witnesses racists too? Are they racist enough to have their house robbed, see a white guy robbing it, and then tell police a black guy did it? lol
     
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    Again, you've shown nothing. And I haven't mentioned race except when asked specifically about it. Your little, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, passive-aggressive racist pandering it getting old. I could care less if Martin was white and Zimmerman was black....race has NO BEARING ON THIS CASE. The only people who think it does are either race baiters or stupid.
     
  39. Justright

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    No it's not...
     
  40. Fin D

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    Yes i have and its been established fact from day one. Just because you don't like what it means doesn't mean it didn't happen.

    Yes I did. Zimmerman assaulted Martin.

    I read it. I showed it. Its you that hasn't actually had any kind of factual rebuttal about that. In the entirety of your argument is..."its not assault". Bravo. Tell you what. Get out a car and start chasing a girl at night with a gun. Let's see if that assault or not.
    yes i have. I said the injuries don't show someone whose head is being beat into the concrete and even they did, its ok because Martin was standing his ground from Zimmerman's assault.

    I've been pretty clear about why race is part this issue. I didn't accuse Zimmerman of racism. So either, learn to read or piss off. Either or, your choice.
     
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