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Travon Martin Trial

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  1. Justright

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    You keep pretending. The call clearly proves that Martin ran BEFORE Zimmerman even got out of his car.
     
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    The censored words are the slang word for mentally challenged. lol

    She lied about a lot. Read about her. And a lot of white people are deemed racist because they say the "n" word.
     
  3. Justright

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    Look at the map. If Martin had kept running the same direction he would have ended up home in about 10 seconds. Instead he either waited on Zimmerman inbetween the houses and then approached Zimmerman from behind as Zimmerman was walking or he turned around and was walking back to the area that Zimmerman was last seen and they ran into each other.
     
  4. Justright

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    He knew the roads. He didn't, however, know the address of each individual home. That's what he was looking for.
     
  5. RickyBobby

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    so you believe Martin ran with the intention to hide and attack?

    I think a lot of what's going on is people are believing one side or the other and then using accounts of the story from whichever side they believe to bolster their assumptions while totally disregarding the other side of the story.

    Keep in mind only two people know what happened and one is dead.
    I'm just saying, don't take one side as gospel.

    Most here would make horrible detectives.


    I wanted to try to debate stories but it seems like people are talking about accounts of this as fact when that's just not the case
     
  6. Justright

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    See my "wink" emoticon? It's there for a purpose. FinD asserts everything he THINKS about this case as a fact. It's a fact that a key witness said this happened. It will only be a fact if/when a jury believes that happened. This reasoning escapes FinD so I decided to play his game for a moment.
     
  7. Justright

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    He never claimed Martin jumped from behind some bushes. lol...Watch the entire, 20 minute walk through.
     
  8. RickyBobby

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    And audio call cannot prove when he ran.
     
  9. RickyBobby

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    What did she lie about?

    Again I'm bot going to debate that.

    Finally, you are a ****ing *******. You don't know her.

    Just adds to all other assumptions you made in this thread while treating then as facts.
     
  10. Justright

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    An alley or alleyway is a narrow lane found in urban areas, often for pedestrians only, which usually runs between or behind buildings.

    a narrow street; especially : a thoroughfare through the middle of a block giving access to the rear of lots or buildings

    It's an alley...
     
  11. RickyBobby

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    Or maybe he stopped running, which was testified to, and Zimmerman was chasing him.

    This is what I'm talking about with assumptions
     
  12. Justright

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    I think Martin ran because he saw Zimmerman on the phone. When he then saw Zimmerman off the phone he confronted him...And in doing so lost his life.
     
  13. Justright

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    Yes it can...Have you listened to the call?
     
  14. Justright

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    Nope. Have you listened to the call? Zimmerman is in his truck. Martin starts to run. You then hear Zimmerman's door chime (because he's now getting out of his truck) and wind noise (because he's out of his truck). Then Zimmerman states that he doesn't want to give out his info because Martin may still be in hearing range. He's CLEARLY not running and CLEARLY not chasing anyone at this point.

    It's not assumptions. You're assuming because you haven't listened to the call.
     
  15. RickyBobby

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    why is it either/or? It's neither

    It's a dog walking pathway between the rear of two buildings with a concrete walkway down the middle.

    You can use the dictionary all you want but you really only need to use your brain
     
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    So he ran because Zimmerman was on the phone then saw Zimmerman on the phone, so he confronted him?

    Huh, what?
     
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    So I can use a directionary for the definition of something. And when that definition matches EXACTLY what we're talking about I should ignore it and "use my brain"? Come on man. It's a damn alley. Is it not a pathway through the middle of the block that gives acces to the backs/rear of those houses? lol
     
  18. RickyBobby

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    Please explain how and audio call can prove when/if Martin ran.

    Is this because Zimmerman said he ran? That doesn't prove it
     
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    I have. So the wind doesn't indicate Zimmerman was running?

    You are simply picking and choosing what you accept as facts
     
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  21. RickyBobby

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    Why is he looking for a house number when he didn't know where Martin went. Besides he told them police to call him when they got there.

    To me, that's bc he was NOT stationary
     
  22. Justright

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    HAve you listened to the call?
     
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    If Zimmerman (from now on he will be GZ and Trayvon will be TM) ran it may have been for a very short distance AFTER he lost sight of Martin and was trying to see which direction Martin was running.
     
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    He knew that TM went one of two directions and dispatch wanted to know a house number. Have you listened to the call?
     
  25. RickyBobby

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    This was not an urban area.

    Not very narrow.

    No cars drive it bc its not a narrow road.

    It's a dog walkway. It's the backyard or residents. It is most definitely not an alley.
     
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    Yes, now please explain how AUDIO can PROVE someone was running?

    Please.
     
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    Tony, your position on this case is quite clear as we've debated it over and over in the PoFo but let me ask you this. Disregard the "Stand Your Ground" law; set that aside; forget who started the fist fight; forget who threw the first punch. Forget all of that. If the back of your head is being slammed against sidewalk by someone who's atop of you and you have the means to protect yourself, at what point do you pull out the gun you had and shoot?
    -Before your head is slammed against the concrete the first time?
    -After it's slammed against the concret once?
    -After it's slammed against the concrete 5 times?
    -After your face is punched and punched?
    -After you've called out for help and no one comes?

    Or do you just surrender your life to someone on top of you beating you and beating you and beating you?

    Self preservation dictates that after a while, you're going to save your own life by any means necessary.

    Food for thought
     
  28. Justright

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    I may be an *******, but she is most definetly an r-tard. lol
     
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    lol...Sure it's not a passagway between a block that gives access to the backs of houses.


    On another note...aren't you the guy who tried to tell everyone that bullet ballistics are not circumstantial evidence? lmao
     
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    Do you believe that GZ was making fake sound effects? lol
     
  31. RickyBobby

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    That's why he will be found not guilty.

    I feel he is not being truthful as far as who started what and when but the only other witness being dead is his trump card.

    If I could not stop someone from banging my head and they were reaching for my gun they would be dead. I just feel so strongly that it should have never come to this.

    But then again Maybe martin did attack Zimmerman first, got Jim on the ground, bangs his head a few times then reached for his gun
     

  32. Why do you feel he is being untruthful?

    GZs version of the events seem reasonable and so far the prosecution hasn't really disproved his version.
     
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    You don't know that and you don't know her.

    I agree, she seemed dumb.

    But she also acted like most black urban youths in Miami...hostile. she isn't use to the process of a trial and I'm sure she felt like they were calling her out
     
  34. She sounded like an ignorant racist to me
     
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    Listen to the call starting here:

    Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. **** he's running. (Sounds of car door opening and wind after Martin already took of running)


    Dispatcher: Are you following him?


    Zimmerman: Yeah


    Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.


    Zimmerman: Ok


    Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name?


    Zimmerman: George...He ran.
     
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    I bet her IQ is somewhere around 75-80. In other words, a re-tard.

    And thank God I don't know her.
     
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    I feel he has given different stories in interviews.
    I think he was running, looking for tm, during the 911 call.

    Ultimately I feel he is fake and is putting on an act for everyone.

    I feel he has been very deceptive.

    Also, jmho, I think he is one of those wannabe cops, who think he's smarter than everyone else.

    Imo he chased down Martin(to a certain extent), started getting his *** kicked, cried like a little girl, then shot the kid because he honestly thought he was going to die.

    To me, tm is dead because gz was being irresponsible.

    A officer in the same situation would have been more aware and tm would have never gotten within arms reach.
     
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    I agree. But I don't think that's all she is. And where she is from her being both ignorant and racist is understandable
     
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    again, that doesn't prove he ran.


    I agree that he ran but the tape proves nothing.



    Also I think Zimmerman gets out of his car and starts jogging, even after being advised to stop. I say this because of the rhythmic wind sounds and gz sounding short of breath
     
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    You can hear when GZ starts, and stops running or as the 911 operator stated:

     
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