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Travon Martin Trial

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by RickyBobby, Jun 26, 2013.

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  1. Fin D

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    Those maps absolutely prove Zimmerman followed Martin in his truck while Martin was running and when Martin ran to where Zimmerman couldn't drive, he hoped out of the car and gave chase on foot. Then they show that Zimmerman deviated from the direct path back to his vehicle.
     
  2. Justright

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    As we can see, it appears unlikely that Zimmerman ever “chased down” Martin. Zimmerman only pursued long enough to maintain visual contact to see what direction Trayvon was going.
     
  3. Justright

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    Nope. While on the phone with dispatch you hear GZ state that he passed TM and then parked his truck. TM then approached GZ..not the other way around. If RickyBobby is correct, you can hear GZ put his truck into park, tell the dispatcher that TM is approaching him, and then states that TM ran.
     
  4. She sounded like she had an agenda. You really believe that she is so dumb that she does not understand that the term cracker is racist? I think its more likely that she was refusing to admit that because she thinks it hurts the prosecution and she wants Zimmerman convicted. I think it impugned her character by showing that she is willing to lie to advance her agenda
     
  5. Justright

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    0:15 – The best address I can give you is the clubhouse. [A]
    0:45 – He’s just staring at the houses. Now he’s staring at me.
    1:00 – He’s coming towards me.
    1:20 – He’s coming to check me out.
    2:08 – ****, he’s running.
    2:14 – Sound of truck door being closed. [C]
    2:20 – He’s heading towards the back entrance. [referring to E]
    2:25 – Are you following him? Yep.
    2:45 – He ran… Zimmerman stops and completes the 911 call. [E]
     
  6. RickyBobby

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    Yes, but I wouldn't say with the intent to shoot.

    But I do think he was looking for a problem and that he was very aware he had a 9mm on his hip.

    And let's not act there aren't people in this world who impersonate cop and kill people or others that that look for trouble.

    Ultimately I think GZ created the perfect storm. TM was initially doing NOTHING WRONG! THAT'S. A. FACT.
     
  7. What are you trying to say? :lol:
     
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  8. RickyBobby

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    First responders called him DOA.

    The bullet exploded his main chamber in his heart.
     
  9. RickyBobby

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    No, but I think it would be understandable if a Jew in Germany is scared of Nazis or a black to be afraid of those backwoods rednecks in West Virginia. Have you seen CIF? He's supposedly top notch up there.
     
  10. I was not agreeing or disagreeing with you. I just wanted to understand where you are coming from on this.

    As far as TM doing anything wrong or not, that is unknown but like Zimmerman I give Martin the benefit of the doubt until someone can prove otherwise.

    What I have a hard time getting around is there evidence that Zimmerman was assaulted and as sad as it turned out. He has the right to defend himself with deadly force.

    Zim saw somebody he perceived as suspicious and he called the police. He decided to maintain visual contact so the police could locate the kid once they arrived. That was brave of him. An assault occurred and he defended himself.

    What I would like to know is what kind of wounds were on TM other then the gun shot wound.
     
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  11. jdang307

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    The cuts would have warranted stitches, but since he waited too long they began to heal on their own. That is what some medical personnel said.

    A one inch laceration is pretty big.
     
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  12. RickyBobby

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    A one inch laceration = A one inch cut

    Not very big at all. Wasn't it just they next day?
     
  13. :lol:
     
  14. slickj101

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    The whole point of stitches is that they're needed bc the cuts are too big to heal on their own.
     
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  15. is it understandable if a Nazi is afraid of a jew or a clansman afraid of a negro too?
     
  16. RickyBobby

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    At this point I can only say, you're right.
     
  17. Im just saying that kind of logic cuts both ways. Either its tolerable or its not
     
  18. Justright

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    None other than the marks on his hands consistent with punching someone in the face.

     
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  19. Justright

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    Usually 12 hrs is too late to stitch.

    A 1 inch cut/laceration is not small.
     
  20. Justright

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    Partly true. The two main reasons for stitches is to lessen the chance of infection and reduce scarring. Nearly ALL types of lacs/cuts will heal on their own and without the aid of stitches.
     
  21. Justright

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    And just what do you think the "main chamber" of the heart is? If anything, the "main chamber" would be the left ventricle.

    In reality, the bullet perforated his right ventricle and nothing "exploded". The round broke apart into three pieces. Part of the round was still inside the heart's pericardium while the other two pieces punctured and collapsed his right lung. He bled to death and most likely relatively slowly...More than likely he was alive for minutes after being shot.
     
  22. If this is true it further adds credibility to Zimmermans version.
     
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  23. Justright

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    Police have also said that GZ's back was wet and grass stained. Further proof showing that GZ was on the ground, on his back.
     
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  24. RickyBobby

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    In the grass not on the pavement?
     
  25. Could turn out to be on both
     
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  26. Justright

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    During the walk through GZ states that he was half on the sidewalk and half on the grass.

    It's about 20 minutes long, but I learned a lot from it. Everyone discussing this case should watch it.
     
  27. Firesole

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    You've never been to Sanford have you? LOL


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  28. slickj101

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    Stitches actually increase scarring. And you lessen the chance of infection by cleaning a cut and keeping it clean.
     
  29. slickj101

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    Man I try to stay out of the bathsalt state as much as possible.
     
  30. So what is the purpose of stiches
     
  31. slickj101

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    Like I said before, to close a cut that won't close on it's own.
     
  32. That seems like an overly narrow definition.

    More to the point, regardless of if his injuries required stiches or not, are you arguing that they are insignificant injuries that did not warrant defensive actions?

    The eyewitness account has Zimmerman pinned on the ground by Martin while Martin is wailing on him. The injuries are consistent to that account as well. Martin had no injuries on him that were consistent with getting hit in a fist fight.

    I do not know if he sucker punched Zimmerman as some have speculated but it is pretty clear that he landed all the punches. Got Zimmerman down on the ground. Trapped him there. Assaulted him. The question becomes was Zimmerman fearful of his life at this point that he felt he needed to pull use his gun to survive.

    On a side-note I think the eyewitness is kind of a douchebag, If I went outside and saw a beatdown taking place I would of run over and broke it up. Who stands by and watches somebody get beaten up.
     
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  33. slickj101

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    lol Ok do you have a better one? Ever had them?

    I'm not saying they're insignificant but in terms of those two cuts they're absolutely exaggerated on here w a lot of these comments.

    From what I heard the witness say he couldn't even tell if Martin was landing punches or they were just hand fighting for most of the time Zim was on the ground.

    Didn't the witness call the cops? Not everyone feels the need to jump in to a fight that they have no idea why is taking place or who's armed w what.
     
  34. Stringer Bell

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    The primary question should be who initiated the fight.

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  35. Justright

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    Not sure what your expertise is or where you're getting your info, but I suture people about 20 times per day.

    You're 100% wrong on the first part. Sutures, if done correctly, greatly reduce scarring and this is one of the main reasons to get a wound sutured closed. Now, some people, mostly dark skinned people, can have what's called keloid scarring (look it up if you don't know what this is). They tend to scar very badly with or without sutures.

    Yes, cleaning a cut will help with infection, of course. Sutures help with infection also and again, sutures are for two main reasons...lessen scarring and lessen chances of infection.
     
  36. slickj101

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    I've been sewn up twice and both times they said I'll likely have more scarring than I would without the stitches but that they'd close the wound faster.
     
  37. Justright

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    I not only have a better one, but the correct one. I've not only had them a lot, I administer them everyday.

    Those two lacs were not "small". They weren't giant either. The fact that he waited nearly a day to be seen lessens the chances of a medical provider suturing his wounds. as I wrote before after about 12 hours most injuries won't be sutured due to the body's healing process.

    The witness wasn't close enough, and it was too dark to see blows landing. However, any reasonable person is going to believe that someone is getting punched if one guy is on top of another, the guy on the bottom is yelling for help while the guy on top has his arms repeatedly moving in a downward direction, towards the other guys face/head.
     
  38. Justright

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    Are you a person who has keloid scarring? If you leave sutures in for longer too long or you have some ****** administering them they may increase scarring. Not increase scarring greater than if you hadn't had them, but increase scarring more than is the sutures where done correctly and taken out on time.

    Once more...sutures are for two main reasons...help with scarring and infection. Will a sutured wound heal faster? Typically yes. However, nearly all lacs will close on their own without the aid of sutures.
     
  39. slickj101

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    He wasn't seen by an EMT at the scene? I find it hard to believe they took all these photos and didn't bother to have him checked out. Especially if he was getting his head beaten in to the pavement like he said. They'd at least of made sure he didn't have a concussion or brain damage.

    No stitches and no concussion but still felt the need to use lethal force. Any reasonable person would also see a problem there, I'd think.
     
  40. slickj101

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    Like Stringer and others have said, it's all about who initiated the physical confrontation.

    Completely possible that either of them could of and Martin just got the best of Zim until the gun came out.
     
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