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Travon Martin Trial

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  1. RickyBobby

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    Interesting, wonder what she is going to testify to. I don't think they want to bring up character
     
  2. padre31

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    What has been happening is FinD has been parroting "..chasing him with a firearm..!"

    Fact could very well be GZ was walking between the buildings with a lawfully carried pistol via a CCW looking for TM.
     
  3. padre31

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    It's absurd, she was not even a party to TM's stay at the housing development, he was with his Father iirc.

    Suspect the DA is losing on the facts so now will appeal to emotions of a grieving mother.
     
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  4. RickyBobby

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    Yeah, don't see how she can testify to anything related to the facts of the case.

    There is an all female panel
     
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  5. Fin D

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    I use the word because the word is how you describe a person running after another person whose running.
     
  6. Fin D

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    Its never been in question that he chased him. Only now have you essentially fabricated something new.
     
  7. cdz12250

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    Evidence of the peaceful character of the victim can be used by the prosecution in a homicide case to rebut defense allegations that the victim (Martin) was the aggressor.

    It would open the door to evidence of Martin's violent character. It would be a tactical blunder of the magnitude of having OJ try on the glove in front of the jury.

    She may testify that it was Trayvon screaming.

    By the way, it isn't the Trayvon Martin trial. It's the George Zimmerman trial.
     
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  8. RickyBobby

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    Perspective
     
  9. padre31

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    If they want to introduce Martin's character as an issue at trial then imo, the DA is making a huge mistake as once that door is opened there is literally no bar to admissability to negative character evidence as well.

    Have some time to kill waiting to go to a funeral today and am watching the trial.

    The DA is basically having the lead detective re-testify..on a redirect?!?!

    Really? A redirect is supposed to be solely based on what the defense asked the witness to break out new facts, not to rehash old testimony, or better said, recant prior testimony.

    I mean hell, why not just redirect ad infinitum until the world stops spinning.

    That is one heckuva kangaroo court system, at least it appears to be to be one
     
  10. cdz12250

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    Redirect in Florida should be limited to the scope of the cross-exam. But cross relates to the direct exam, so sometimes the same ground is covered on redirect. If the question isn't at least slightly different, you'll draw "asked and answered" objections, but many judges don't want to limit the questioning too much by strict enforcement of the rules of evidence, especially in a criminal jury trial where the facts are hotly contested. They don't want it to become a chess game, unless something truly prejudicial to either side is going on.
     
  11. Justright

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    What's not true? Again, those slabs are about 3'. Even if they're 4' that would put him at 28'.

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    How is it possible to see TM's body from this angle if his body is, like you say, 3 units down?

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  12. Nappy Roots

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    What slab are you starting at? Because its not 7 if you count from the crosswalk.
     
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  13. Fin D

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    That doesn't show the body in the right place. The photo you used earlier does.

    What's truly effing annoying, is that you ignored the clear and concise explanation I gave, then turn around and ask to explain it to you. So, here it is again:

    You can see clearly in the photo with the body that its closer to be directly across form the black arrow in the new pic diagram above then the spot they highlight. Forget your stupid and thoroughly made up sidewalk slab bull **** and just look at the goddamn pictures you provided.
     
  14. Justright

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    It's a little difficult to see, but I started at the "T" and count 7. How many do you count?
     
  15. Justright

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    So now your theory is that they moved the body?

    The picture I provided shows TM's body under the tarp. I believe he was only moved in order to roll him over and administer CPR. His body is nearly right at the first white fence. The 2 trees you're referring to are both in the picture where TM's body is being shown from around the corner. In order for TM's body to be seen from that angle it can't be too far down the alley.
     
  16. Fin D

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    Listen, its bad enough you flat out make **** up, but if you're not even going to read what you're arguing against, then what's the freaking point of you continuing to argue?

    Why the hell would you be sticking to the angle shot when we have the straight on shot from the T that shows exactly where the body is? You have no idea what is even going on in the angle shot, nor do you even know from what position that shot was taken. We have 2 virtually identical straight on shots where one shows the body and the other doesn't. We can match those up over numerous points of reference and now exactly the point of view from which they were taken...but you ignore those (even though you thought they proved your point earlier, when YOU posted them the first time) and go with the grainy and small shot in the dark taken at an angle you cannot define that gives virtually no specific info...and you're doing it with this stellar bit of info about concrete sidewalk slab size that you never once confirmed. And why would you go through all that????? That's right, because you don't know if GZ is guilty or not....sigh.
     
  17. Mcduffie81

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    Photo #1 definitely makes objects appear further than they actually are. Trayvons body was not three units down. You CAN tell by the slab lines among other things. There is only 1 tree there, his body isn't as far from it as photo #1 makes it appear.
     
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    I'm using evidence. You're using emotion. You're an emotional wreck and this is proven from your posting style.

    The straight on shot, as with any picture we've seen, is worthless without reference points. I used the concrete slabs in the first picture. It's kind of hard to make out how many, but I count 7. How many to you count? I just came across the picture that shows TM's body from an angle. I'm adding that to the evidence because, even though I know you have your mind 100% made up already, I like to mold my opinions on ALL evidence...either past or future (if there is more).

    Again, do you think they moved TM's body? I don't think it was moved. (Except to administer CPR) It's still under the tarp for crying out loud. Why would they move it a few feet towards the "T" and then cover it back up? That makes no sense. So, with this NEW picture we can get an ever better idea as to where the body was. At the start I believed that the body was about 10-15 ft from the "T". Due to the evidence I've seen since I changed that to about 20'. All you've said is "it's not even close to that and much further". Pretty ambiguous and further proof that you're basing your opinions on preconceived notions and emotion. In other words, you've provided nothing except your belief that either a) the body was moved and b) where you think the body was based upon your view of the pictures. No measuring, no reference points...nothing.

    I've used google maps, enabled the measuring feature, and determined that the body was about 25' from the "T". Maybe a little closer, maybe a littler further. I've looked at numerous photos of the crime scene, bird's eye views, side views, front views.

    And regardless of ALL of this...you've still not told me how far away you think the body is or even how far away you think it should have been if GZ was telling the truth. In fact, I don't think you've even thought about these things. I think you argue for the sake of argument and just like the confrontation. You get off on being emotional.
     
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    Now come on! You're not using enough emotion and you're using way too much thought. lol
     
  20. Nappy Roots

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    I count 10 to the 2nd tree on the left. Which looks like where his body laid across from. Not sure 7 or 10 makes any difference. Just pointing out my observation.
     
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    There are also only 2 sets of shrubs in either picture. His body looks pretty parallel to the shrub (or fence) closest to us. There are also what looks to be 2 squares of new sod in the photos of dark green color. He looks to be right next to the 2nd piece. There are markers all over to look at.
     
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  22. Fin D

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    I'm not sure that the slab lines are anymore reliable than the back of the building...especially in photo 1, where they become blurred together after the 4th line.
     
  23. Fin D

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    Of course I'm emotional. A 17 year old was shot and killed, and the person that did wasn't going to go to trial until there was an uproar over it. And the stupidest law ever SYG is responsible.

    The straight on shots are the ONLY ones with reliable reference points. Your angled shot is not reliable because you cannot define the angle the photo was taken at.

    You have no idea where the officers are in relation to the T in that angle shot. You didn't use Google maps and even if you did, you're still guessing as to where the body was. I said it was much further than that when you were saying it was 10-15 ft away. I think its in the 30 foot range, possibly more. Hell, the smallest unit there is over 15 ft wide and his body is clearly passed the first unit with the screened in porch. (you can find the layout here).

    At 30 ft away, it makes it incredibly less likely that TM approached GZ at the T and they fought for 30 yards backwards, especially when you consider GZ says TM approached him and then sucker punched him to the ground. For that to be true TM would have had to punched GZ in such a way that GZ flew over TM's head and landed 25-30 ft down the walkway.
     
  24. Fin D

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    As me and a few others have been saying:

    Trayvon Martin trial told Zimmerman injuries "insignificant"
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  25. Mcduffie81

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    I promise I don't mean to single you out FinD. I dont know what I think of Zimmerman yet, but does that ^ even matter? After a REAL MMA ground and pound sequence are those injuries considered life threatening? Probably not. Insignificant? Maybe to ones vital health, but he did have a broken nose and cuts on the back of his head which also comply with his story. It doesn't mean he wasn't afraid for his life. What about the fact that he DID call for help like a screaming baby even though he knew he could possibly shoot Trayvon if he wanted to. There was no referee to stop the fight. No one was helping.

    Zimmerman supposedly pulled the gun when he felt Trayvons hand slide down his stomach and side to reach for his gun while hearing him say "you're gonna die tonight". That is when Tryavon was shot...no?

    Side thought.... this is the reason I don't have a gun. I would never want to shoot someone and wonder if it was completely necessary.
     
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    "She looked at pictures"?

    His nose was broken and he had two black eyes and a one inch laceration on his head along with a 3/4 inch lac.

    Ever had your nose broken? I have, 4 times. Let me tell you, there is nothing "insignificant" about a broken nose. There is nothing "insignificant" about a person on top of you, banging your head into the cement.


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    Not true. You're ignorance is heightened by your emotions. I too think it sucks that a 17yr old boy is dead. I have kids. However, I'm leaving my emotions out of this in order to think clearly. The combinations of the striaight on shot with the angled shot gives us a better idea as to where his body is in relation to the "T". And yes, I already mentioned that I guessed that distance to be 10-15 ft. After more evidence was provided I said 15-21 ft. You, however, have provided no evidence except what you perceive. You've used to markers, no instruments, and no logic. You knee-jerked out "a lot more than 10-15 ft" and stuck to that before you looked at anything except one photo...a photo that is just an overhead shot that has a shaded area where TM's body was around. Not even a picture with TM's body.
     
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    I love how this wasn't quoted too.

    The fact of the matter is, this Rao person wasn't there and has looked at a few photos. I've seen people that were dead after their head hit the concrete one time and they had no marks on their head either. Zimmerman didn't have life threatening injuries after the fact. However, if what GZ says is true, TM was attempting to cause serious bodily harm to GZ.
     
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    I think its significant that Zimmerman was "elated" according to the one officer(?) who lied* to him to see his reaction.

    Edit: *Lied saying there was video of the altercation.
     
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    I haven't heard this. Any link?
     
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    I just looked into this statement. According to what I read Zimmerman was "elated" when an officer told him that the fight may have been video taped by someone. To me this fact alone speaks volumes about this case and GZ's frame of mind. He was ELATED to think that there may be videotaped proof backing up his story.
     
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    http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/02/prosecution-in-zimmerman-trial-continues
     
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    He said he also believes Zimmerman is either telling the truth or anthological liar. What else was gz going to say, he had to stick to his story, he was already in too deep.

    And that article is not completely accurate. When the defense asked if he thought he was telling the truth about just that certain fact, not most evrything else. This c is the one who thought he was lying.

    I just hope the state can show enough inconsistencies to force gz to take the stand. Then, the stories gz has given will hurt him, only bc they don't match up, the rubber will meat the road
     
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    Stick to his story? lol...The cop told him that there may be a video of the fight. Zimmerman acted happy about that. Not concerned or worried. And you're going to have to show some proof of what you write because I've read a few different places and they all say about the same thing.



    One of the officers who questioned Zimmerman, lead investigator Chris Serino, testified that he tried to bluff Zimmerman into thinking the clash had been recorded to convince him that he would be in more trouble if he lied.
    “I believe his words were, ‘Thank God, I was hoping somebody would videotape it,’” Serino said.
    Asked by defense lawyer Mark O’Mara what he thought of that comment, Serino said, “Either he was telling the truth or he was a complete pathological liar. One of the two.”
    When questioned further, Serino said he thought Zimmerman was telling the truth and was not a pathological liar.
     
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    I can understand that the Court wants all of the facts to come out no matter the method, however to me it seems absurd that I'm basically seeing a "do-over"..so uhm..disregard that and let's re-examine your earlier testimony...

    Uhm..are bananas free for the DA as well, because surely that monkey is tired from covering the same ground over and over again.

    There are good reasons why "there is no second bite at the apple" is said...apparently not in Florida..makes for a messy trial that confuses at best.
     
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    Zimmerman walks.
     
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    I hope all the truth comes to light. You sound like you have a very closed mind on this subject.
     
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    So far, from the evidence shown, I think so too. What are the main reasons/points of evidence that make you believe GZ walks?
     
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    Hmmm...I love how this isn't getting played more in the news? Hey, FinD, maybe you were right. Maybe TM did get behind those bushes. Just not for the reasons you think.

    Maybe he ran because he was scared. Maybe he ran because he was scared of being caught with burglary tools? He ran just far enough out of site to get rid of this and then came back to confront GZ?
     
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    So now a licensed attorney from this forum and the lead investigator have both said that following or approaching someone is not a crime. :)
     
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