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Most overrated/underrated players in Dolphins history

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CantinaJack, Jul 1, 2013.

  1. Finrunner

    Finrunner Season Ticket Holder

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    I think Tony Paige was underrated. Heck, is he rated at all?

    However, and I may be remembering incorrectly, but for the longest time, it seemed like the Dolphins started every drive, especially opening drives, with Marino dropping back and hitting his fullback Paige out of the backfield for seven yards. And boom, we were off.

    From '90-'92, he caught 35, 57, and 48 passes. 57 passes seems like a lot for a fullback with limited mobility. He barely cracked 100 yards in rushing over his three years, but he did notch 9 TDs (rushing and receiving) over three years. His TDs receiving look a lot like Brian Hartline's with 4, 1, 1, respectively per year. Plus, the guy was a bowling ball who could block... not that we ever ran that well.
     
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  2. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    overrated: Brandon Marshall

    underrated: McDuffie, Gadsden and Mark Ingram (loved his blocking and of course the recipient of the Fake Spike)
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    "Bill Parcells -- Exec. VP of Football Operations, 2008-10
    When Bill Parcells arrived in Miami the fanfare rivaled that granted Jimmy Johnson when he came out of retirement to coach the Dolphins. Three years later, Dolphins fans realized that, like Johnson , Parcells' best years were firmly behind him by the time he arrived in South Florida - the home of so many other premature retirees looking for sun and a hobby to keep them busy. Parcells joined the Dolphins looking to turn around an ailing franchise, and fans were sold on his ability to rebuild a roster through wise drafting and smart free agent signings. A cursory review of the players he brought in reveals that he set the team back, if anything. In fact, only one player - Brian Hartline - remains on the roster from Parcells' 2008 and 2009 draft classes. He passed on QB Matt Ryan in 2008 to pick Jake Long first overall, but that's almost excusable compared to the wasted second-round pick he spent on Pat White in 2009. When Parcells arrived in Miami, fresh from their 1-15 2007 season, the Dolphins had no quarterback, little depth on offense, and a defense that leant on a single pass rusher. When he left three years later, his much-maligned successor Jeff Ireland had to address the exact same set of problems."

    NFL.com.
     
  4. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Underrated:

    Paul Warfield - He's considered a good WR but IMO he may be one of the top 5 WRs ever. I think he should be in those discussions with Jerry Rice. I'd put him behind Rice, but I think he should be in the discussion.

    Dwight Stephenson - He should be on the list of the greatest Cs ever, but is usually left off.

    Overrated:

    Parcells - I hated when we signed him other than the respectability he brought b/c the rest of the league overrated him.

    Ricky Williams - He produced one great year for us, but other than that one year we would have been better off with out him.
     
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  5. given to fly

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    I was just trying to guess (and I missed) that they were going to put him there because of the offseason trouble
     
  6. Bpk

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    N-uuuunnngh. -thud-
     
  7. Fin-Omenal

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    Why was Welker and Marshall on the list??

    Daryl Gardener wants to kick Jesse Agler's *** for being overlooked yet again.
     
  8. MikeHoncho

    MikeHoncho -=| Censored |=-

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    Off to Nabo's basement with you.
     
  9. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Bob Griese I think is really overrated. He wasn't a great passer even in his era. He had literally every element of surrounding cast a quarterback could ask for at a Hall of Fame level(A head coach, rusher, wide receiver, and two linemen and a third as a perennial runner-up). His team was not any worse with his back-up in, and had its greatest success mostly without him.

    He also sucks at being an announcer.
     
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  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah I'll agree with Brandon Marshall.
     
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  11. Anonymous

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    That's fine. I completely disagree with that and do think he was a great pick.
     
  12. Fin D

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    Its awfully hard to argue with this.
     
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  13. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    In 2009, RW ran at a 4.7 yard clip and had 13 TD's how is this overrated?
     
  14. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    He was never worth what we traded for him (2 #1s) and most of the years he was here he disappointed (3 1000 yard seasons out of the 8 he was here).
     
  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    but how do you categorize that as great?, he's 27 in his prime, do you realize the loss of that resource from a franchise standpoint, it hurts the franchise long term when your #1 overall is not on the team at 27 years old, really no other way to spin it unless your trying to make yourself feel better about the situation..
     
  16. Aquafin

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    the poor house
    Keith Jackson
    O.J McDuffie
    Chris Chambers
    Brock Marion
    Shawn Wooden
    Troy Vincent
    Troy Strattford
    Randy McMichael
    Jamie Nails
    Larry Chester



    here is my overrated.
    Jason (twinkle toes) Taylor why ? because he was always focusing on his side activities. Dancing with the stars and his production went down because of this.
    Matt Roth
    Devon Bess.
    Seth McKinney
    Derrick Hagan
    Nick SABAN
    Bill Parcells
    Tony Sparano
     
  17. CantinaJack

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    I have to disagree with this, say what you will about him playing for the jests that one year. But this dude gave it all on every play throughout his career. He was making tackles 20 to 30 yards down the field in his last season. A rock solid future HoF, no way he was overrated.
     
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  18. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Wait. Those top guys are your underrated? Lol

    And those bottom guys are overrated? Outside of bess and Jason you just named ****ty players. And please how JTs production went down with us?
     
  19. Fin D

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    He didn't give it all the 1-15 year.
     
  20. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Overated = Bill Parcells

    underated = Devone Bess

    Edit : overated = that college coach that bails, Dick Satan or something like that was pure crap for the team.
     
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  21. CantinaJack

    CantinaJack New Member

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    from his wiki

    In 2007 Taylor reached double-digits in sacks for the sixth time in his career and picked off another pass. Five of his FRs he has returned for TDs, which is an NFL record shared with former Atlanta Falcons linebacker Jessie Tuggle. With eight career defensive TDs (three on INT returns, five on FR returns), Taylor is the all-time leader in defensive touchdowns scored by a defensive lineman. He has also registered two career safeties and has two career field goal blocks.
    In 2007 Taylor was voted to the All-time Miami Dolphins team in a poll of Dolphins fans. He was a First-team selection at defensive end along with Bill Stanfill.



     
  22. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I would classify JT as underrated. He played at a HOF level for us and many "Dolphin" fans diss him and dismiss every time his name comes up.
     
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  23. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Did you watch the first 4 games that year?
     
  24. CantinaJack

    CantinaJack New Member

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    You can remember the first 4 games of the 2007 season? lol get a job... :P
     
  25. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    No, I remember his play in them. It sticks in my head because it was the moment I turned on him.
     
  26. CantinaJack

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    ah, that makes sense. You don't think he did enough before and after that to win you back?
     
  27. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Let it go FinD...just let it go..
     
  28. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I won't let it go until we are good again. He, Holliday and Peezy sabotaged that season. We weren't going to be good, but shouldn't have been 1-15 bad...the defense that year cost us the first four games. Its just no surprise that the leaders of the team were those 3, they were on defense, the defense cost those 4 games and those 3 were very vocally blasting every move that was made in that offseason.

    I also understand I'm in the vast minority. Like if it was a species, when I die we'd be extinct.
     
  29. Stringer Bell

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    Underrated: Jeff Ireland
    Overrated: Ronnie Brown
     
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  30. Anonymous

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    Because 4 out of the 5 years he was here, he was arguably the best lineman in football. He was playing at a Hall of Fame level. He was a 4 time Pro Bowler, First Team All Pro in 2010, and was the best LT from 2008 to 2011 according to PFF. I know what happened the last year, but he was a great player here. So I see it is a great pick.
     
  31. Alex44

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    Once you play a down for the Jets you can never be won back IMO. Great player, not overrated, but will never be a true Dolphin in my eyes. It's one thing to be drafted by a rival and come here later when you had no choice. He willingly went to a team he is supposed to hate with passion.
     
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  32. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    A great pick would be if he stayed and continued his journey here as a Miami dolphin, leaving at 27 under no circumstances should be considered "great"... Missuse of the word imo, what would you call him he he stayed and continued to play?.. "Super great"

    Great should mean great..relative to what we lossed in value for the franchise by not being able to hold on to such a valuable resource, is not great..

    All things considered, average more like it...loss value to the franchise, his above average play while he was here, injuries, leaving while in prime.
     
  33. Anonymous

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    Like I said from the beginning, I don't agree. He was a great player here, so he was a great pick. That's how I see it.

    It's obvious we aren't going to agree here, so agree to disagree.
     
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  34. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there
    Underrated:

    Tony Nathan, Don Strock, Earl Morrall, Bob Kuechenberg, Zach Thomas (overlooked?) Keith Sims, John Offerdahl.
    Just a few that come to mind.
     
  35. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Good call on Ireland!
     
  36. Gunner

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    He only had a couple of solid seasons for us but I loved me some Bernie Parmalee. UPS man turned starting HB
     
  37. unifiedtheory

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    Louis ****ing Oliver. The most overrated player in this franchises history, in my opinion. He was truly awful. Big hitter and that's it. He could not cover and missed tackles like he got paid per missed tackle.

    One big day in Buffalo does not make years of rubbish disappear.
     
  38. Aquafin

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    disagree on Ronnie Brown , because he gave it his all and he was really good but he was hurt because of HORIBLE COACHNG AND PLAY CALLING.

    I THINK MANY PEOPLE tend to not take into account that bad coaching limited our best players at certain times and Ronnie Brown , Ricky Williams , and Chad Henne were all victims of bad offenses and I strongly think Miami has been a one dimensional team for too long and if we ran a pass friendly offense we would have won some playoffs games.

    Devon Bess and Brian Hartline are by far the most overrated wide receivers because they really didn't score non they didn't make any memorable plays neither but this is only my opinion .

    if I was building a football team and I was in the afc east these are the players I would build a offense out of.
    #1 qb Gus Frerotte #2 Sage Rosenfels , # 3 the sophomore qb Ryan Tannyhill

    my wrs IRVING Fryar as my number 1 OJ McDuffie slot wr , Mark Duper outside wr and Mark Duper as a slot wr and as a special teams return man.

    I would use a three tight end and two back sets on goal line plays.

    Keith Jackson , Jim Mandich and Randy McMichael or MARV Flemming

    RICKY and Ronnie would be my key running backs Tony Paige as my multi play back JIM Kick would be my 3rd down back
     
  39. Puka-head

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    Underrated : Chief Wahoo McDaniel. He beat Rick Frickin Flair.

    Overrated: Jay Fiddler. He never did anything Trent Green couldn't. Do.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    Ronnie brown was to dumb to understand what needed to be done to be a professional at a high level, he did not take care of his body nor what went into it, thus changing the ratio of muscle to fat over a course of time thus resulting in injury and loss of explosiveness and speed.
     

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