Pouncey needs to get his head out of his butt

In other words, you're assuming inexperienced kids with undeveloped brains can fully grasp the same nuances of seemingly contradictory behavior as a fully-formed and experienced adult, because you had a "talk" with them about it?

"Hey son. Don't jack off into that sock. There are much more beautiful things in life to appreciate, like sunsets, classic cinema, the joys of making something with your own two hands."

"HORMONES"

 

I live in a city that votes 60% red, and I have Obama stickers on my car. If someone doesn't like it and wants to make an issue about it face to face, then bring it on motherf***er.

 

Of course it's contradictory behavior!

Should I even have to explain that?

"Yes son. I jump up and down and praise the athlete that just did something good, occasionally I refer to him as a golden god, and photoshop pictures of my head on a little kid's body sitting on his shoulders as he holds up a championship trophy, but that doesn't mean he's a good person or that you should try and emulate him."

 

I totally agree. Pro athletes IMO, are entertainers, like actors, singers, etc. I may not agree with everything Charlie Sheen does in his personal life, for example, but that does not mean I'm going to boycott every movie or tv show he ever did.

 

The fact that you think your sports fandom and your admonishments not to emulate or look up to the athletes you exuberantly cheer and praise for doing anything good on the field...does not present a difficult to process contradiction in the eyes of a 6 year old child...

I mean, wow.

 

What's ironic is the contradiction of admonishing people for showing such open disapproval of athletes for their behavior (wearing a hat in open support of a murderer), while explaining that the reason it's alright for these athletes to do whatever they feel like even though they're role models to kids is because you as parents have the ability to explain to your children that what the athlete is doing is wrong and you shouldn't look up to him for it.

Except in explaining that to your child, you just showed explicit disapproval for what the athlete is doing.

OH NOOOZZZ! (/infinite loop)

 

I don't "look up" to any pro athlete or any other entertainer. I can appreciate their accomplishments without putting them on some pedestal. I've been able to instill that in my kid too. The personal lives of any entertainer are not our world unless we know them personally. I'm more concerned with whom my kid is friends with and interacts with on a daily basis. We don't live our lives through the off field actions of players, or off screen actions of actors.

 

Even back when the Portland Trail Blazers were known as the Jail Blazers because of the off court behavior of literally half their roster, that was never an issue between my kid and I.

When I was a kid, I had football cards of Alex Karras and Paul Hornung, that didn't mean it was influencing me to want to live like them off the field. In baseball, I had cards of Mantle, and Whitey Ford. Same thing.

 

With how much attention this got I wouldnt be surprised if the guy in the pic with them knew this would go viral and gave them the hats

 

Lets see how many double standard attitudes we have on this board. For all of you who are supporting Pouncy`s actions lets try this : What if Hernandez murdered someone in YOUR family, would you still feel its perfectly OK for his "homeys" to want him free to walk the streets? I mean why not? Hernandez, the model citizen that he is, deserves a fair trial remember? Innocent until proven guilty remember? Hell, if Hernandez murdered a family member and the Pouncy boys walked up and down your street handing out "Free Hernandez" hats I`m sure you`d invite them in for a drink. After all, its just a couple of friends sticking up for their homey , yo .

 

but most all of us have called in sick at one time or another to watch a game.... is my point.

And what about when Tannehill or any other Dolphin makes a great play this season, especially if it's a game winner or verse the Jets or Pats? What's your reaction during the play? Are you screaming "Yeah Dolphins!" or are you jumping up and shouting "TANNEHILL!!! Yeah Tanny, atta boy! That's how you f***in do it!!", basically praising a guy you don't know with more strength a fervor than you've possibly ever done your own son? What, you gonna have a talk with him to try and correct what his eyes are telling him and make him understand the difference between reality and being a fan even though all he's thinking about at that moment are cookies?

Is it a blank Dolphins jersey you wear, no name, no player number, just double 0? If you think we don't get heavily invested in the players and who comprises the team then I'm not sure what to say. I'd probably ask you to look around this forum b/c the evidence of the contrary is everywhere.

Cmon, if your son sees you piss off a bridge he's gonna pull out his pecker and do the same. If dad is a heavy sports fan then his son will think it's ok to idolize players, especially if dad enables that idolization process by buying jerseys and other player memorabilia, taking him to games, getting autographs, and throwing the ball around with him planting the seed that maybe one day he too can be like Tannehill and dad can praise him as strongly as he does the Dolphins quarterback. There's psychology behind it, so it's not as simple as saying "don't pick up that piece of dog sh**".

 

Exactly, people don't give a sh&$ because they don't give a **** about the victim or his family, I guess some folks kind of put themselves in a vicarious situation when it comes to matters like this.

 

WADR, Nasty, it's simple psychology that you're arguing against.
It IS entirely contradictory b/c you're telling your kid to not idolize players when, through his mentally immature eyes, he sees everything you represent as a fan as being the complete opposite of what you're preaching, hence me saying "do as I say, not as a do". It's hypocritical to be a fan but then expect your kid to truly understand he shouldn't be idolizing players. That's like owning a candy shop but telling your kid he shouldn't eat sweets. It won't register.

 

That's just it though, these are his former teammates/friends, sticking up for a former teammate and friend who is up for a very serious trial. Everyone here calling Hernadez a murderer is acting like they have to power to judge that. The guy at this very moment is innocent, I would want my friends to support me even in the bad times. Sure pouncey should have supported in a different way, but not everyone thinks things through entirely. People screw up, now a man is dead cause of a screw up. It's up to the law to prove the proper people are punished for this. On the topic of the hats, I cheer for the dolphins. I could care less what others on the team do, you can't hold everyone's hand in life. If they do something stupid that costs them their livelihoods. Then that's their issue, the organization didnt fail them or the fans, that person failed the organizations and the fans. You can't judge the Miami Dolphins as an organization because one person acted out. If you do that, every company or corporation in the world would be in a bad eye. The pouncey brothers showed support in a way they shouldn't have. All they need to do is learn from it.

 

It's not about wanting to live like them off the field. It's the message kids may get when they see players they idolize get in trouble or perform not-so-acceptable behaviors, especially if the kid is an athlete himself.

You were a responsible father; that's great (meaning it sincerely). But what I think is being taken for granted here is the fact not everyone is a great and present parent, and pointing fingers at parenting skills won't change a darn thing. You can say, "the parent should do this and the parent should be doing that", but what does that have to do with reality? The reality is some kids don't have responsible parents and are left being guided or misguided by society. I'm sorry but I don't think we should approach those children with a "tough luck, kid" mentality. If those underprivileged kids don't have a father they'll come up with their own role models, and when they see the rest of society cheering on players, giving them gobs of attention [that they themselves never received], it's quite easy to understand how kids can idolize rich famous players b/c at their age who wouldn't want to become like Adrian Peterson? Hell, I was raised just fine and I still called "first dibs on Marino" during PE or pickup football games, and if someone else claimed Marino I'd be Jerry Rice. Then if these players get into trouble or do dumb sh** it can easily send the message that misbehaving or acting out is ok.

 

That's your choice, but then again Sheen didn't kill anyone or protest the freedom of a cold blooded killer. I'll watch Sheen stuff b/c I'm an adult and can separate the enjoyment of his work from the crap he does in his life provided he's not an advocate of condemnable acts. However if he were to try to become the face of G-rated movies, my unborn kids would never be taken to them.

Regardless, Sheen is a bad example in this case IMO b/c the emotional attachment toward actors and movies is nothing like that of fan's toward his team and its players..... unless you're a massive sci-fy fan. I don't think anyone here is on a Charlie Sheen forum for hundreds if not thousands of hours. We don't watch his movies 16 times a year, every year, for life. We don't buy Charlie Sheen jerseys and yell at him when his line doesn't sound convincing, nor jump for joy when he delivers it just right. A bad movie doesn't send us into periods of light depression. I don't loathe Emelio Estevez like I do Jets & Patriots fans.

Generally speaking, I personally have a difficult time supporting a team I know is comprised of some lowly players b/c to me, supporting the team = supporting the players, and I refuse to support a player I would never support in life. But that's just me, and I know I'm not the only one. And if enough people share that belief it can become a problem even though it may not be a problem for all.

 

I never got any message, good or bad, about them off the field, because as a kid I had other things to think about or occupy my time, than dwell on Alex Karras being a gambler who bet on his team, or whatever he did, or if Paul Hornung was a cvnt hound. I watched the games, enjoyed them for the entertainment value, and then went about doing other kid things.

When you were a kid, did rumors about Marino liking coke, make you want to snort coke?

 

The main point though was, I'm not going to boycott watching the Dolphins because of MP's hat, anymore than I'd stop watching Two and a Half Men reruns because of Sheen's behavior in his private life, nor would I have ever quit listening to my favorite rock band because they may have used drugs in a manner that I'd never imagine doing. I can enjoy whatever form of viewing or listening enjoyment they may each provide without considering adjusting my private life to more reflect theirs.

 

No, just a Pixy Stix. That's the strongest the candy smuggler could get ahold of at the time.

 

That's great that you can do that but there are some fans who can't or don't want to have that sort of disconnect.

 

Miami needs to cut this clown we can find another player who wont support a murderer

 

ah...yeah...about that...No.

 

That reaction (even if it is only from our beloved Aquafin) goes to show you that if you're the Miami Dolphins it IS a big deal to some of your fans, and that it needs to be addressed.

 

Okay CK, when did I complain about someone's freedom? Don't put words into my mouth or twist my words into something I didn't say. You have a habit of doing that a lot and you start conflicts on here and when you get confronted, you cry "TOS, TOS" and you hide behind the mods backs until the coast is clear. Don't pull that crap on me.

All I'm saying in this thread is that what's wrong with MP showing support for his friend? I'm sure you'll try to twist that too. I've said several times that I think AH is a thug, but MP is a friend of his and that doesn't make him a bad person.

 

That's the thing, I think both the red and blue are scum, but I have no beef with you and I think your alright. Some people on here just dont understand what I'm trying to say.
I have a lot of friends and family that are blue supporters, good for them. I'm not going to look down on them for being blue supporters, I also have friends that are red supporters.

 

Sooo, I guess those 40,000ish people that wear a Ray Lewis jerseys at the Ravens games are "dead" to most on here?

 

The whole "loyalty to your teammates" argument is interesting in this case. I say that b/c it's reported by players that Hernandez didn't spend time away from the field with teammates, but rather instead preferred his old Bristol, Connecticut friends, and we've seen what kind of upstanding people those are.

http://www.csnne.com/blog/talk-new-england/report-hernandez-loner-pats-locker-room


So Hernandez isn't loyal to his teammates but a teammate of his [Pouncey] should be loyal to Hernandez because they're teammates? That doesn't make sense. Just sayin- the relationships Hernandez forms don't seem to be founded on football.

 

I hope that wasn't pointed at me? Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for the victims and their family's. All I'm saying is that there's nothing wrong with showing your support for a friend that's in trouble. Just look at Ray Lewis when he had his troubles. Did his friends, teammates and even the Ravens turn their backs? Hell no, they supported him.

Look at Tiger Woods, he's probably got more fans today then he did 15 years ago.

 

A lot. It can be a direct reflection of yourself to be a friend and strong supporter of a thug murderer. There's a reason employers ask for references. Something tells me jotting down Aaron Hernandez's name might not open too many career doors.

 

Mmm, Ray Lewis got hired to do tv this upcoming season. I guess his past really hurt him.

 

I'll make that bet now with you- that Hernandez won't get hired to clean a TV after this let alone be on one.


Unfortunately you can't compare Hernandez's case to Lewis. The NFL allowing Lewis to remain in football ensures that.

 

Bpk, I respect you on here, but your way off describing me...lol
The only thing I will say is I'm very firm on what I believe in. Doesn't make my opinions right, but they are what I believe in. I'm not going to hate someone for disagreeing with me. It's their opinions and I respect that. I still hate the new logo and I'm not going to spend money on it. For those that do spend money on it, good for them, wear it with pride.

 

Since you missed it before, I agree that AH is a thug.

 

Hypothetical question. If DJ were to murder someone because he was talking too much in this argument, and saying the wrong things, but it had not gotten to court yet, and unlucky posted a pic of Phinsational wearing "Free DJ" thong underwear, would you boycott Phinsational, or throw up in your mouth a little?


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To see Phinsational in a thong.....I would have to wash my eyes out with Acetone.
But in all fairness, I would give Phinsational some respect for supporting his friend in a time of need.