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****The Official 2013-14 NBA Thread****

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Boik14, Jul 7, 2013.

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  1. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Per Howard Beck Twitter:

    Its actually a 2 year contract with a 3rd year player option.

    Correct me if Im wrong Section but in 2015 assuming Felton and Smith either dont pick up their option or are traded prior to 2015 FA, NYK can go 2 max contracts (Kyrie and LaMarcus?) use their remaining cap space on signing FA's, and have RFA rights on Shumpert and Bird rights on Melo? Or do they have to renounce Shumpert? The only contract they will probably have on the books is Timmy Jr which is a team option.
     
  2. Section126

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    you will have to renounce Shump, and then give one max...and one mini-max.
     
  3. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    WHOA...Interesting guy became available via amnesty....

    Drew Gooden....hmmm.

    The Knicks would be insane to not grab him...the Heat should be exploring him thoroughly.
     
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  4. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree. I saw this last night and was too tired to post it. Gooden will help someone a lot. He rebounds, can get some dirty work points..injuries are always an issue but hes pretty good.

    How does that work? Even with an empty cap (assuming 60M since its just under 59 now) only 1 max and 1 MM?
     
  5. Section126

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    I am allowing for Melo's raise, and the full MLE as well.

    remember, the new CBA might have well been called the Anti-Heat agreement.

    The Heat are just lucky that they grandfathered themselves in.
     
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  6. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    So You can have a team that looks like this:

    Irving
    Shump -resigned
    Melo
    Mini-MAX
    MLE
     
  7. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Damn, I hope Melo and Kyrie take less then the full max deals theyre allowed.

    Just curious..would they also have bird rights on Amare and Tyson since their deals end that year as well? Or can you only have Bird rights on 1 player in an offseason? Trying to figure out what Grunwald has planned. He definitely made that a 3rd year player option for Smith and Felton for a reason. And he never corrected the reporters during the press conference for JR or after.
     
  8. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    Are you assuming Kyrie plays out his rookie deal completely and goes to the Knicks as an UFA rather than forcing a trade?

    Because more likely he'd be an RFA and the Cavs could match any deal and demand a fairly hefty ransom.
     
  9. Fin-Omenal

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    Wow, Melo shouldn't consider going anywhere if this is possible.

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2
     
  10. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes Im assuming he plays through his rookie deal.

    Exactly why I dont believe Melo will consider going anywhere
     
  11. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    Man - for a dude with his injury history, turning down a max extension and Bird Rights to play 1 year for $9 million just to go to the Knicks is a tough sell. I think he'd more likely force a trade.

    And the Cavs would trade him (and his Bird Rights) to the best offer if he shows he won't sign the extension.

    Would think it's more likely he demands a 3rd year opt-out on his extension or signs it and forces a trade after 1-2 years.
     
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  12. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    I don't see Melo leaving NY. It does t behoove the media to sell the idea that there probably won't be a lot of movement in the upper echelons of players in the near future but I think that is where we are at. Not an exciting story to sell but all the really big players have moved themselves into situations of their own devising.

    I think the Lakers could realistically target a up and coming small market guy like Paul George next year but after that I don't see much realistic potential for movement. I do still wonder if Durant is going to get fed up with OKC in a couple of years and want to flee to somewhere that is willing to spend into the luxury tax but that's straight conjecture. Other than that the major players aren't moving until probably the list of who the major players are starts to change IMO
     
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  13. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    All true, except as we saw with the Carmelo saga, its very easy for an NBA player to pull a power play and all he has to say is he wont sign an extension unless its team A or B and the price goes plummeting. You either lose the player for nothing at that point or take whatever assets the destination team is offering. The player can have his cake and eat it too.
     
  14. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I'll miss Miller. He was one of my favorites on the team. I won't blame the guy for wanting to play. And I understand the economics as $17 mill is a ton to pay for anybody not in the big three. Sometimes tough decisions have to be made.
     
  15. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    Agree - though he wouldn't have that leverage until after the rookie extension was signed because he'd be a RFA, not an UFA. So to try to pull that move he'd be giving up a lot more and taking a lot bigger risk (playing '15-16 on the qualifying offer).

    I think it'd probably play out more like Deron than Melo. Kyrie more or less has to sign the Cavs' extension before forcing a trade. And then he'd be locked up so a team may take a chance on convincing him to stay, even if it wasn't the team he wanted to go to, just like the Nets did.
     
  16. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I guess we will see how it plays out. It could play out that way also. For all I know Grunwald has something entirely different then what i was told in mind. :)
     
  17. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    Yeah I'm not so much questioning Kyrie leaving as much as the steps / level of compensation that would be involved when he left haha.
     
  18. PhinsPhan11

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    Who would be some people that you would consider Mini-MAX?
     
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    currently...Iggy is a mini-max player.

    By that time...it could be somebody like Rajon Rondo, or better yet, a guy like Steph Curry.

    A Lamarcus Aldridge will be a max player..so will Kevin Love..etc..
     
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  20. Section126

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    remember, "bird rights" mean NOTHING when it comes to the cap under the new cba. So their numbers count fully.
     
  21. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Next summer will be crazy....
     
  22. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Doubt it. Think Wade Bosh and Lebron stay in Miami and Carmelo stays in NY. Suddenly it's much ado about....Danny Granger?
     
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  23. Section126

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    and Paul George
     
  24. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Paul George is definitely the bigger prize. I could see LA doing their best to woo him.
     
  25. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I don't doubt the power of money and today's athlete, we will just have to wait and see.....

    I like Paul George alot, the kid is fearless and plays well...
     
  26. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I know their numbers count fully but a team can still go over their cap to resign players correct? So in theory couldnt the nyk roll out hypothetically. ..
    kyrie
    shump
    melo
    mini max
    mle

    with some of Chandler bargnani and amare brought back maybe at reduced rates?
     
  27. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    All the REALLY big names would actually have to give up money to move. Once again, don't see it. The Heat's gave up money to get where they are. Lebron is all about titles not making an extra mil or two on salary. I think the 2014 free agency is a product of the sports machine manufacturing fake hype.
     
  28. ckparrothead

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    LOL to be fair, Luol Deng is way better than Granger I think.
     
  29. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    He's in the same situation as Kyrie though, right? He's a restricted FA unless he plays a full year on the qualyfing offer for $9 mil or whatever to become an UFA. The Pacers can match anything anyone offers them.

    It's more or less the Eric Gordon situation. He tried to leave but there's no incentive for the home team to let them go.
     
  30. Section126

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    only at the vet min. once you go over. You cannot go over with their contracts, if you use your Bird "raise" on Melo. If you go over without using the MLE..you lose the MLE. that player you go over for cannot sign for a raise and cannot go over by more than 5% of the cap. it is really complicated..so the short answer is no.

    The old model...the Heat is the only team to be able to use it, due to getting grandfathered in.

    it used to be:

    MAX, MAX, MAX, MLE, Bird, Min. Contracts..then the Mini-MLE each year.

    Now..you sub one of the Max's with a Mini-Max and a MLE..or in actuality Three MLE's (Bulls did that)
     
  31. Section126

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    There is no question about that. IMO, Granger is awful (based on his salary).

    I would kill to have Deng as a Heat player.
     
  32. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I love watching Luol Deng play except when he's playing the Heat. Not that the Heat would have lost that series with Deng in it but his mysterious spinal tap sickness was a pretty damn fortuitous break for the Heat.
     
  33. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Then you dont know Lebron very much.
     
  34. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ughh forget that. Can they go mini max times 3 (curry or rondo) + hibbert + David Lee or cousins + melo + shump? I think id actually like that a lot more :lol:
     
  35. Section126

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    nope. Mini-Max just allows you to use a MLE. SO it is: MAX= Mini-Max +MLE
     
  36. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    The Best model IMO, is this: Max, Mini-Max, Mini-Max, MLE, Min. contracts.

    Two Max's would look like this: MAX, MAX, MLE, MLE, Min. contracts.....or..MAX, MAX, Mini-Max, Mini-MLE, Min. contracts
     
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  37. Stringer Bell

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    Best model IMO: LeBron, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.
     
  38. Stringer Bell

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    The issue here is that LeBron and Wade could take lesser salaries, and still end up making a lot more money. LeBron's legacy is his most valuable thing, and the more rings he has, the bigger his legacy. The same thing for Wade. Would Dwyane Wade get the same shoe contract if he was playing for a team getting bounced in the 2nd round of the playoffs? Hell, Mario Chalmers has a shoe contract. The Heat are becoming their own marketing entity, which provides value to their players other teams can't provide.

    Now Bosh is a different story, and I wouldn't be surprised if Chris Bosh gets more money than Wade and LeBron to stay with the Heat. He's the one that isn't getting the endorsement deals. He would probably be better off financially taking a max deal elsewhere than taking less with the Heat.
     
  39. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Do we have a first rounder next year? If so we should totally tank for Wiggins since Lebron is leaving next year....

    :lol:
     
  40. Stitches

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    Yes you have a 1st rounder next year because you didn't this year.
     
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