It's part of it... but Buffalo, Kansas, Carolina, the Jets sucked even worse than us and pulled more people for games.
While I mostly agree, didn't the Landshark deal get made before Dee's arrival? He joined us after the winning 2008 season.
So if we're blaming profit loss and lower attendance on Dee can we also attribute Boston's lower attendance and consecutive sellout streak broken on Dees departure?
So if we have a plan that people agree is great, but a community that doesn't get it or support it it lends credence to the idea that South Florida football fans don't compare favorably to man other franchise's fans.
I would be looking for perhaps someone in the Heat front office, if go that route, but I'd myself, prefer they bring in a football person this time, even if its someone from outside the area.
Unless the individual in the Heat's front office is going to bring the big three with him, I don't think he is going to have any more success than Dee did. Prior to the Heat signing James and Bosh, attendance at Heat games was so bad that they used to put a tarp over the upper tier of seats so all the empty seats couldn't be seen on TV. The Heat started filling up the stands when they started winning games on a consistent basis. That is all the Dolphins need to do to bring fans back to the stadium. That is the responsibility of Ireland and Philbin and not the responsibility of Dee or the next person who might replace him.
Changed the image of the Miami dolphins in a great way with a new modern look with old school colors...win Tried to upgrade a mortuary of a stadium by and I quote, move the seats closer to the action, prevent the sun from beating down the fans...win. Organized an unprecedented deal for the south Florida region...win.. Those three jobs take much more prescedent in determining what kind of job he did, and I don't believe that it was his fault that two of them failed, I think he laid out excellent strategies.. Are we saying the orange carpet, gator day, and the field goal overlooked what he did on those jobs... I find it hard to believe the field goal of sixty yards was to deter the kicker from making money.if true than that's fu&$ed up..
http://www.zillow.com/local-info/FL-Miami-home-value/r_12700/ Average home price was down 40% between 2007 and 2009. The way you lose that many fans is by taking away their home equity.
That is BS in 2010 the Heat were 11th in the NBA in home attendance. That is better than half of the NBA.
You do know that it's possible to check attendance across the entire NBA, right? BS dissection time: In the years immediately preceding 2010 free agency: 2009-10 Heat: 90.5% attendance, 48-34 record. 2008-09 Heat: 93.0% attendance, 42-40 record. 2007-08 Heat: 99.3% attendance, 18-64 record. That last one particularly blows a hole in your silliness.
"The future is bleak" Mike dee..his parting shot.. His main job was to change the culture of a franchise..he knew in order to do that he had to change the dynamics of the venue..his attempt fell on deaf ears..not his fault.
Boston's sell out streak was a joke, everybody knows it. Dee had nothing to do with it, but rather they just went on tickets sold instead of people actually showing up. That place was half full last year when they lost 90 games but they banged the joint out every game? Yeah ok......and if your grandma has a dixk she would be grandpa.
He wasn't there last year..hey I'm not saying either way but some statements in this thread our ludicrous blaming him for major decline in attendance and profit..if you can blame him for that, then you can credit his time with the sox as a success, the Fenway group, and being a part of two very important titles during their run..when he left there was a slow decline.. The guy tried to do big things here, real big, especially get superbowls and other world class events to Miami, imo did everything possible to do, and got **** on over and over, by the fanbase, the county officials and the state and all I'm hearing is nit pickin about some carpet and field goals for which he probably had nothing to do with.
Okay where did Dee get crapped on by the fanbase ? I want to know specifics please, because I see you over and over use this.
But you can't make that argument, because the people never voted. Taking a small sample (the early voters) and parlaying that into a generalized "south florida community" is disingenuous and unfair. I get that you BPK hate South Florida. I still don't get why you follow the Dolphins, but I would ask you (and others) that don't live here, won't live here, or formerly lived here, keep from besmirching the population of South Florida. You don't walk in their shoes and have no right passing judgments on them from afar. It smacks of the way the English used to pass judgments on the poor Irish and make assumptions based on perceptions & predjudice and not reality.
I don't think Dee really did anything really poorly. I think he simply didn't do much of anything really constructive. As much as the Dolphins tried to fluff up the "game day experience" (which, in reality, is best - and only - served by winning games), I thought Dee's efforts were misinformed (perhaps, in part, because he was not a life-long Dolphin diehard).
Dave Hyde @davehydesports10h The first two requirements for Dolphins new CEO should be someone who grasps 1) South Florida and 2) NFL. Mike Dee, smart as he is, hit 0-2
Attendance figures are based on the number of tickets sold for an event, not on the actual number of individuals showing up for the games. While season ticket sales may have remained high for the Heat during the years you listed. The fact is that the arena many nights had thousands of empty seats because the Heat was was not an exciting team during those years. I was at several games where the tarp was covering the upper part of the arena, yet attendance figures in the paper the next day would have led you to believe that the arena was filled the night before. This is a common practice for all professional teams. They report the attendance as the number of tickets sold for an event. Not the actual number of of individuals who showed up for the game.
The carpet, the song, the Tebow day would mean nothing if we were winning. The attendance and ancillary revenues would all be up if we were winning. The Super Bowl presentation--the NFL is pissed because people got "wet" from a t-storm during the game. The Fins had a plan to get improvements to the stadium. That plan is in line with other professional sports teams--joint effort with private/public funding. The Republicans and South Florida dont have a cozy relationship. It's nothing more than that. If this stadium was in Tallahasse where all the Republicans are, Weathorford would have supported it. Don't get me wrong...I am ambivalent to this guy. But to say since he's in charge of the "business side", we should look at attendance is non sense on steroids. The "football side" is responsible for attendance and revenues. The business side gets to pay the bills with those reduced revenues.
He specifically omitted five, but touche. And yes, the performance of the team "spearheads" every facet of the franchise. If this team had the Packers record since Dee has been here, every one of these issues would be moot. So indirectly, Ireland is responsible for all of it.
LOL...no they aren't. The national embarrassment is the record since Dave Wannstedt was coach. This other crap is meaninginless. Anyone focusing on that needs to get a job.
ROFLMAO. This is comical. Let me make this as simple as I can for you...the national reputation of a franchise is made on Sundays in football season, based on the performance of the team. Not because "two Dolphins employees were caught Jay walking" and the other nonsense you are bringing up. The Patriots, Ravens, Steelers, Colts, 49ers...all seen as model franchises. Even a murder charge can barely dim the glow of the Pats in the national psyche. Even after cheating in spy-gate (way more serious than any "infraction" committed by Dee.) The Jags, Dolphins, Jets, and Raiders are seen as embarrassments. Why? Not because of the "business" CEO's, but because their teams suck.
Not surprisingly...when your team loses, revenues drop. Miami isnt a city that can support a losing franchise. Far too many other interests in South Florida to spend NFL money on a team that sucks.
Well, they were a "national embarrassment", that's actually true. But its not because these offenses were particularly heinous, its because Parcells created a standoffish relationship with the local media. The local media was still reeling from the Saban full on hostile relationship and then the laughable Cam era, when Parcells came in and treated the media like it was nuisance. The media would laser focus on any screw up, no matter how minor (orange carpet). It would get picked up by the national media where it was further blown out of proportion. Thereby becoming a "national embarrassment". Look at what Philbin did first thing when he got here....went on a local media tour. He, Ross and Dee went to each paper and a round table with reporters. Since then he is polite and patient with the media. He did HardKnocks. And even though we had a losing record last year, we have been treated extremely well in the local media and in turn the national media....even during a logo change. Now, I agree if we had been winning this whole time it would be a different story, but when you aren't winning, you have to have a working relationship with the local media, or they'll do what they did. Also, people have to understand that with marketing, a miss or fail, is part of the job. Sometimes when trying to crack a tough market, you have to miss/fail to find the right formula. Its like Battleship. Having said that, Dee never sank the battleship.
