Dolphins Waive Armon Binns & Jasper Collins; Sign Keenan Davis

Well, Thigpen would be more of a slot Wr type, it's what he did in the CFL.

Noticed one thing in common between Davis and Pruitt, they both are over 6'0, that is our new standard, or at least what Philbin likes in Wr's.

 

why not if you don't mind me asking String? That's what he was at Mizzou- an oversized slot receiver whom defensive coordinators were not a fan of trying to cover. He's nearly as fast as most corners, and at 6'5 255 with 33 inch arms, he can out physical corners and use his length to create separation. Then add a 37.5 inch vertical onto it.

 

I don't think he's fast or quick enough. Would just be a bigger WR with average athleticism for the WR position. He ran a 7.03 3-cone drill, which is good for a TE, but for a WR I don't think it would have even been in the top-15 for WRs in his draft class. He's just not good enough of an athlete to be an effective full-time WR IMO. He has the athleticism to where you can put him on the outside and maybe throw a fade, or run a slant from the slot, but he's going to be very limited in terms of the routes he can run from the slot. If he was a great ST player, you could maybe justify rostering him as a limited WR. But he'd just be an extremely limited player in terms of what he could contribute IMO.

 

I don't think Binns will clear waivers. Plus the warning lights come on when i hear a position coach being 'familiar' with a player because of his previous employment. It stinks of comfort zone to me. I think of Sparano and the Cowboys. I'd rather see an unknown player from a lesser college. I'm a big believer in late bloomers that can make an impact. Sure its risky but that's where scouts make their reputation surely? I know a big factor will be if that WR can play ST's.

 

Surprisingly he's actually about on par with Jimmy Graham as far as cone & shuttle times go..... and similar size, speed, and vertical as well. You make a good point about his 3-cone time and it would be nice for it to be even faster, but IMO his size, length, and speed make up for it. What good is a 6.60 3-cone by a slot corner if the guy he's covering has a massive catch radius the corner trouble getting his hands into? I wouldn't pine for Egnew as a full time starting slot receiver at the moment, but I feel he poses enough of a matchup problem to at least contribute there. Throw the kid some screens or quick hitters and let him use his open field ability, send him in motion, drop him in on a wheel route behind a streaking Wallace, run some drags across the middle where he can use that 4.5 speed to outpace his defender or run by zone linebackers. There's simply not an abundance of TEs/WRs in the league with Egnew's size, speed, hands, and athletic ability. The kid needs to be used somehow.

 

Perhaps I'm wrong but I get the impression the staff is focusing too much time and attention on trying to make him a complete player before letting him see action, when IMO they should be simplifying things for him and just letting the kid play some backyard football so to speak. Just give him some easy game reps and let the kid have some friggin' fun again.

 

Meaning what?

 

During practice reps and last year's preseason, how many times did we see Egnew take a simple high-percentage pass at or behind the LOS and let him pick up an easy 4-5 yards with a chance of popping it for more? It seemed to me everything was intermediate to downfield stuff with a higher degree of precision & difficulty. I don't recall Hernandez being used much in that manner or as a blocker his rookie year. I thought most of it was just allowing him to do what he does, outside of killing people.

 

Egnew has a LONG way to go to make this team IMO. If they let Gates go after just one year as 4th rd pick, Egnew has no where near the upside that Gates had. No way they keep Egnew unless he has some naked pics of someone important.

 

Keller, Sims, Miller, Clay....maybe Egnew with the Phins giving him time will find the pressure increased more on him this off season than last. The position of TE has become stronger this off season. I think Egnew will be gone unless he seriously shows up in pre-season games. Keller and Sims and Clay. Tough to supplant those guys. ST's may save him. Doubt it.

 

Because the corner knows exactly what route Egnew is going to run. When you're limited in what routes you can run, it makes you very predictable. Another big problem is that while Egnew has size, it looks like he doesn't really know how to use it. The guy has physical ability, I agree, but there are tons of guys with physical ability that never even sniff the league.

 

Keller is on a 1 year contract so he's not necessarily a long term answer. If he signs elsewhere and we cut Egnew, we're pretty much right back at square one in 2014 with the only difference being the switch out of Sims for Fasano.

That kinda goes back to what CK and I are saying. It's tough for a player to show up when you don't put him in the type of situations he's capable of showing up in. When a TE is drafted #78 overall despite being a terrible run-blocker and not having much experience running a diverse route tree, that's a real testament to his natural talent as a receiver. It shouldn't be complicated getting him involved in the slot like CK mentioned. Just let this kid get back to his roots a little bit.

 

The problem is that Hernandez was able to block. Ideally you want Egnew to not in-line block, but you can only do that once he proves to be at least serviceable doing it. Defenses could never match Hernandez with a defensive back, because the Pats would just end up running.

 

It seemed like he knew how to use his size & length at Mizzou when used like a slot receiver. Granted that's college, but still. I don't fully agree that the corner will know what route he's running, even if his route tree is dumbed down. I think it can be simplified and still be unpredictable since the entire field is at his disposal, and I don't see why he cant run option routes based on the leverage played against him like Hernandez frequently did.

 

What do 5'10 190 pound slot receivers do when a defense goes to nickel? Are they more reliable blockers than Egnew?

 

Give Eggfart a chance!

 

Not sure I follow here. Someone suggested that Egnew be used like Hernandez. I said that isn't possible because Hernandez is a capable in-line blocker. If the defense matches Hernandez with a LB, they will flex him out. If the defense matches Hernandez with a DB, they'll use him as an in-line blocker. Hernandez presents a problem for defenses, because he can essentially play two positions. Egnew can't create that same dynamic if he cannot be used as an in-line blocker. A slot WR certainly isn't creating that dynamic, because they aren't going to in-line block.

Essentially it boils down to whether Michael Egnew could be a better WR than Rishard Matthews. If he can't, then the question becomes whether he can play special teams at a high enough level to warrant being the 5th WR. IMO he can't. So really I have a hard time seeing a roster spot for a WR that can only play in the slot, and can only run a limited route-tree. Just don't see it happening. Egnew has a shot to make the team, but that will only happen if he shows that can block at least serviceably.

 

I don't recall Hernandez being a reliable blocker his first year but maybe I'm wrong. Secondly I'm saying I don't think Egnew has to necessarily be able to block like a TE to be effective in the slot. Plenty of teams successfully rely on 3 WR formations w/o worrying much about what type of blocker their slot receiver is. Furthermore, if we need strong blocking ability from our Hback in order to successfully run the ball against a nickel defense then we have problems IMO. I also don't think it's fair to use an elite Hback as the standard of measure, b/c guys with Hernandez's ability don't grow on trees. It's almost like you're saying, "if we don't have an Adrian Peterson at tailback we shouldn't run the ball".

 

smh...we should have just taken TY Hilton.

 

I don't think the staff is much into smallish quick type slot wrs. They seem toprefer the bigger more physical guys.

 

Speaking of 3-cone times, here's a side by side comparison of two different players:

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[TD="align: center"]3 cone[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]shuttle[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]10 yard time[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]player A[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7.08[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4.34[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1.56[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]player B[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7.03[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4.32[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1.60[/TD]
[/TR]
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player A is Randall Cobb..... B is Egnew.

 

Haven't read everything but saw alot of people writing off Mathews he's still our #4 just a set back imo. Then as many have aid we have Keller Thigy, clay ect..

 

He was adequate enough to the point where defenses felt the need to match him with a LB at times.

You don't need to block like a TE to be effective in the slot. But you're essentially saying that Egnew is a slot WR, not a TE. That doesn't make his chances of making the team any greater. If the choice comes down to him vs. Rishard Matthews or McNutt, I'd take either of them over Egnew.

You don't need strong blocking ability. What you need is versatility. You need a guy that can block in-line, and can play in the slot. You don't need to be a great in-line blocker. You just need to be good enough that the defense can't match you with a DB. This all comes back to the point that if Egnew can't block in-line, then he's basically an oversized WR that can only play in the slot. I don't see that type of player making the team unless he can play special teams at a high-level, which would make Pruitt expendable.

 

Egnew is just not a football player. Athleticism can only get you so far.

 

Agreed. See Vernon Gholston.

 

In my opinion, Egnew has a much higher ceiling than Miller, and possibly a lower floor. When you're talking about your 4th TE, I think you go with the higher-ceiling guy. Egnew could make a catch that wins "us" a game; Miller most likely isn't going to have that type of impact. In addition, Miller would only serve as Dion insurance in 2 TE sets.

I think Egnew wins out, and Miller makes "our" practice squad. Everyone wins!

 

Dolphins Waive Armon Binns & Jasper Collins; Sign Keenan Davis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5diMImYIIA&sns=em

 

Dolphins Waive Armon Binns & Jasper Collins; Sign Keenan Davis

Bess blocked better than Egnew.

Thats how ****ing bad it is. You'd rather run behind Bess.