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The Browns Pass Rush And Pressure Defense

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Phoenician Fan, Aug 4, 2013.

  1. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Agreed. The only game I feel like Miami is walking straight into a buzzsaw is the Saints game.
     
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  2. ckparrothead

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    This is exactly what I was trying to say. If some people don't like it, so be it.
     
  3. jw3102

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    I agree that 2-3 would be a very acceptable record for the Dolphins after their first five games. That is the reason I feel the Browns game is so important. A win against the Browns will make a 2-3 record highly possible and this may even lead them to a winning record after five games if they beat the Browns.
     
  4. btfu149

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    I'm not saying the other teams don't have questions too. I'm simply saying don't sleep on the Browns, they have a great pass rush and have reason to be optimistic about their offense. They have a 2nd year (albeit a 30 year old) 1st round pick, Trent Richardson and quite possibly the best LT in football. They also have Norv Turner at OC now who traditionally does a great job in that role. Having said that they have a dearth of talent at receiver, and their best bet is Josh Gordon who is suspended the first 2 games. From what I've read Davone Bess has been there best receiver so far, which as we all know is not something to be happy about.

    Indianapolis is a very tough team at home going 7-1 last year including beating us. I disagree with him if he thinks we have no shot at all because we should have won that game last year but that is going to be a tough game.

    Baltimore did lose a lot of talent but they replaced those guys with some solid players too (Dumervil, Elam, Arthur Brown, etc), Saints offense will of course be tough to contain but their defense is weak, almost the same thing with Atlanta. These games are all winnable IMO and I have a lot of optimism about our team this year, but to say he doesn't know what he's talking about because he thinks we may start 1-4 or 2-3 is unfair.

    FINS UP! LETS BEAT THE SH!T OUT OF DALLAS! 5 HOURS AND 55 MINUTES AWAY!!
     
  5. Fin-Omenal

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    If that's what you meant I actually agree...but all I saw was that week 1 was only important to the fans, wich frankly is laughable.
     
  6. padre31

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    That and they have no idea what Lamar Miller can do for us, he's sort of an unspoken asset even among Dolfans. Unlike during the Sparano/Parcells era we now have guys who can gain chunk yardage and long Td's.

    This is one of the reasons why I want Thigpen to show what he can do as an all around asset "X" factor sort of like Darrin Sproiles or Leon Washington.

    Hearing he still is having brain farts fielding kicks bothers me a lot.
     
  7. ToddPhin

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    Cleveland's defense matches up very well against us unfortunately. They have a physical dynamic front 3 capable of stuffing the run & pushing the pocket, and they now have 2 OLBs/nickel DEs in Kruger & Sheard who can also play the run well, so there's some flexibility to how they can scheme it up. Subbing Mingo in for Rubin on 3rd downs could be a thorn for us if he's playing well b/c their nickel front has the potential to cause problems. The past 2 years [3 games] Wallace had 6 receptions for 77 yards vs Cleveland/Haden. If Joe plays to his capability, Cleveland's safeties should be able to focus more on helping out against Keller and the run. Haden might warrant the matchup advantage here considering it's Wallace's first game with his new QB. Defensively they remind me a lot of us TBH.

    Overall I see this being a close game but with us having a slight advantage. The first team to make an error might never recover so IMO it'll be especially true to keep the mistakes to a minimum b/c I agree with CK that Cleveland might try to pull a Tony Sparano and keep the game close till the end hoping to capitalize on a last minute FG, big special teams play, or ball that bounces their way. Therefore Wallace having success early against Haden could be crucial in the game's overall dynamic, and even though Trent Richardson is their offensive focal point, tight end Jordan Cameron is the wildcard who could be the greatest key to any hopeful offensive success on their part b/c he has the talent to really break out this year. I think it'll be big if we can get enough heavy pressure on Weeden early to where Cameron is forced to spend more time blocking & chipping. Then we can begin strangling the life out of their offense as we compress the field like opposing defenses did to us last year.
     
  8. Boik14

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    A lot of you are sleeping on Cleveland imo. We should win the game but they lost 6 or 7 games last year by less then a td. They easily could have been a team with the same record as us with a few breaks. They have a really good D and a top cb who may be one of the few who can take away Wallace.
     
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    And that added that TD scoring dynamo..Devone Bess

    Love the Black Ninja, he's not a game changer though.
     
  10. Boik14

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    I get your point that the offense isnt a dynamo but they gave a few good qbs headaches last year. And I expect Richardson to be much improved. If they had Gordon Id be a lot more concerned about this game.
     
  11. Junkyard Dog

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    Anyone else concerned about Bess giving Cleveland's d, inside info and tendencies of our offensive players.
     
  12. GMJohnson

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    I'm not sleeping on the Browns, I'm actually watching all of their games. I gave my opinion on them already, if you're interested I believe it's on page 2 of the thread. I don't see the relevance of what Norv Turner has traditionally done. Philbin was traditionally fielding elite offenses (w/ Rodgers-Jennings-Driver-Finley-Nelseon etc) until he had to play with a rookie QB and Hartline/Bess/Fasano as his top receivers. Norv Turner has traditionally had Emmitt Smith and LaDanian Tomlinson playing RB, with Aikman and Rivers at QB and guys like Gates, Irvin, Novacek, and Vincent Jackson catching passes. He's not going to arrive in Cleveland and make miracles happen.

    I also hear a lot about Ray Horton, which is ironic b/c it was his defense that Tannehill lit up for 400+ yards while Hartline was going bonkers for 250+ and his only TD of the entire season. I doubt they're feeling intimidated about facing Horton's pressure packages.


    Don't get me started on the friggin Colts. They were indeed 7-1 at home, they were also 9-1 in games decided by 7 points or less. Last year we dominated the LOS and they dominated the skill positions, this year we'll dominate the LOS again and the skill spots will be a tossup. INOW we're going to kick their asses. You can mark that one as a W right now.

    Elam and Brown haven't played a single snap and their already solid players? I dunno about that. Why not call them "question marks"? You didnt address the other 6 starters that need replacing, I assume those are question marks as well. I think Atlanta's offense is borderline unstoppable so we agree there. Nawlins is a different story IMO, not as good on offense, not even close on defense.

    I just hope no one gets hurt...:up:
     
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  13. PhinFan1968

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    So what you're basically saying is, everybody's ignoring the Browns and should "fear" them. Sorry...not me. I don't fear ANY team against my team. Are there mismatches both directions? Sure there are, but isn't that why they play the games? I choose to not live in worry of them playing any team...particularly the Brownies in week 1. Improved or not...the Fish own that *** in week 1, no articles about practice or pre-season will convince me otherwise...
     
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  14. GMJohnson

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    Now that's how you're posed to sound in August!!!

    Some of the people around here act like were 3-10 heading into December with the way they talk. Sheesh. If you can't be confident before the season when the hell can you be confident?
     
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  15. Fin-Omenal

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    I don't remember anyone really acting like Cleveland was an automatic win...

    That's not an easy place to play and they are going to be fired up and getting after RT. I just don't see them scoring more than 13 points against our defense without their only real threat at Wr. Question is, can WE find the end zone twice. I think so.

    Miami 20 Cleveland 10
     
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    Thank you sir. No one says we're gonna walk all over the Browns. All I said was it'll be a close game for 2-3 quarters but their defense will probably wear down b/c their offense wont be able to move the ball consistently. I see 13 or 14 to 10 late in the 3rd/early 4th when Weeden makes an ill advised throw or Cleveland's defense finally makes a mistake that Mike Wallace makes them pay for and then it's lights out. That's not an indictment of them as a tea overall of for the entire season, it's a projection of what will happen when they play us specifically.

    Same goes for Indy. They may very well be a playoff team again. But vs Miami specifically, the BS that went down last year aint gonna fly this season. No more cheating safeties into the box all day b/c we have crap at WR and TE. No more converting 3rd and long all day b/c we have Smith/Carroll/Wilson playing corner and only one pass rusher who can even sniff the QB. Our D Line will beat their OLines *** and our OLine will do the same. If someone wants to offer a scenario where that doesn't happen or how they will (once again) over come those handicaps to win then I am all ears...


    The Falcons? OK. I have no idea how we're going to keep that offense under wraps.

    But the Saints? Unless Rob Ryan is Jesus and Kenny Vaccaro is Moses they're going to be bad on defense once again. I know they can't run on our front 7 so who's going to protect Brees while he drops back to pass 50 times? Who's gonna stop Lamar Miller from gashing their defense or Keller and Wallace from finding space off of play action? I'm all ears.

    Baltimore, Super Bowl champs I know. But they are not the same team we saw in January-February. How are they gonna move the ball? They can't move our front in the run game. Ray Rice is their 2nd best receiver. They lost 6 starters on defense, including 2 HOF, their best pass rusher, top 3 LBs, 3 DBs, etc. Again, someone tell me how their going to come down here and beat us.
     
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  17. Fin-Omenal

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    I'm not as optimistic about about @N.O....but this team should be able to play with anyone. I don't look at Indy, ATL, Bal and assume its a loss by any means.

    This is the NFL, games are often decided by the smallest of circumstance. For example? IF S.Smith or K. Dansby knew how to make a GD play on balls in their hands.....we win in Indy last year.
     
  18. rafael

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    I generally agree. IMO Cleveland, Indy and Baltimore are games that we should win. Not blow outs or walk-overs or anything like that. I just feel we have at least a slight advantage against all of those teams based on talent and/or match-ups. Falcons and Saints I see the other way. Just like the other three, either team could win, but I see slight advantages for the Falcons and Saints. (BTW it's rare in the NFL where a team has more than a slight advantage over another in terms of talent).
     
  19. CleveSteve

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    Some comments from a Browns fan's perspective.

    Talking about the nickel defense, the nickel LBs will be D'Qwell Jackson and Craig Robertson. Both are very solid tacklers. Jackson has very good instincts and Robertson is a flyer.

    Paul Kruger stinks against the run.

    Our DL should be ferocious. Our starters (Bryant, Taylor, Rubin) are top-notch and our primary backups (Hughes and Winn at end and Kitchen at NT) all performed very well as rookies last year, though as DTs in a 4-3.

    People are sleeping on Greg Little. He really got his crap together after the Baltimore game last year. Personally, I think he's the best receiver on our team all things considered. Gordon is faster, but Little has everything else on him. Benjamin is extremely fast and tougher than his size would indicate but how much do you want to tempt fate with him exploding? Bess is very solid (as you are all well-aware) but doesn't really have any transcendent abilities. I'm sure many of you remember the play Little made on 4th down against you guys two seasons ago to sustain the game-winning drive.

    Lamar Miller isn't as much of an unknown as you guys may think. Browns fans on the board I'm on are more worried about Miller than Tannehill, honestly.

    What the Browns fans are worried about in general are:
    • the lack of a legit #2 corner
    • passable-at-best play from the FS spot
    • run defense at the edges
    • completely new 'o' and 'd' schemes... especially early in the season
     
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