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***Official Dolphins vs. Cowboys Hall of Fame Game thread***

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  1. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    even the 2 runs you could see it last night already, no dancing just hit it or hit it cut and gone....bush danced to much, also that play where the fumble occured, if you watch the play unfold from behind, is it just me or is miller scoring on that run ?
     
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  2. DePhinistr8

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    I recall Reggie Bush fumbling just like that in the last game against NE last year. Looking to make a move before securing the hand-off. It happens, and luckily it happened in a game that didn't matter.
     
  3. Section126

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    Did he not perform very well last year.
    Did his college attributes translate well into the NFL last year.
    Did Miller not fumble once last year.
    This is also reality.
     
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  4. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    i love it, when you are involved in a thread :)
     
  5. Bpk

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    For those arguing over whether Shelby was impressive, or mix of good and bad that equalled "okay"...

    From Miami Dolphins app:
    Defensive end Derrick Shelby: “The rushing end of it went pretty good, but in the run game I kind of let a couple get out on me, so there was some give-and-take with how I played tonight
     
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  6. NolePhin15

    NolePhin15 Well-Known Member

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    Saw that too. I think thats kind of why he fumbled. I'm sure the dude was excited out of his mind to finally be a feature back on an NFL team. He probably saw the hole and got a little too excited. Im sure hes gotten that out of the way now. His next couple runs showed why we let Bush walk.
     
  7. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    When I call out a Chad Bumphis and beg the question whether we just found someone that may be significant in a real NFL sense, I know the first instinct is to say no...because of the odds.

    But let's think about something related to this guy's POSITION.

    Some of the most prominent SLOT receivers of our time are the following:

    Davone Bess - Standout career at Hawaii, a bad tangibles guy, went undrafted.
    Wes Welker - Standout career at Texas Tech, a bad tangibles guy, went undrafted.
    Danny Amendola - Standout career at Texas Tech, a bad tangibles guy, went undrafted.
    Victor Cruz - Standout career at UMass, a good tangibles guy, went undrafted.
    Marques Colston - Standout career at Hofstra, a good tangibles guy, 7th round draft pick.
    Donald Driver - Standout career at Alcorn State, a good tangibles guy, 7th round draft pick.
    Troy Brown - Standout career at Marshall, don't know his tangibles, 8th round draft pick.
    Brandon Stokley - Standout career at UL-Lafayette, a decent tangibles guy, 4th round draft pick.

    Sure you do have some other prominent slot players that were drafted a little higher, like Steve Smith (USC) in the 2nd round before he got injured a bunch, Percy Harvin in the 1st round and Randall Cobb in the 2nd round...but the overall results seem to point to this being a position that is tough for the NFL to figure out. Sometimes the guys have great tangibles, sometimes only decent, sometimes flat out poor tangibles. I think most guys were standout performers at their schools but some came from bigger programs, some from smaller, sometimes from spread systems and sometimes from pro style systems. I think most were standout returners. Most were VERY productive receivers.

    So given that would it really be so surprising if a guy like Chad Bumphis turned out to be another standout slot player?

    1. He played four years in the SEC and finished his final year with 900+ yards and 12 touchdowns.
    2. He was a standout punt returner there.
    3. He has decent tangibles.
    4. He dominated the All Star game.

    You know at one point Victor Cruz was a Mr. August type, opening a can of whoop@ss on the Jets and inducing Rex Ryan to comment in his press conference after the game that if the Giants cut that guy #80 I am pretty sure we'll take him. At one point Marques Colston was a little known receiver from Hofstra who came into the East-West Shrine Game and dominated during the game itself, yet still went on to be nearly undrafted. At one point Wes Welker was just a guy that tended to stand out doing whatever you asked him to, even kicking the damn ball if you needed.

    Last night I saw Chad Bumphis making NFL plays with NFL ability and NFL temperament. So if you're asking me if I only had to take one significant revelation away from last night, what would that one thing be...I think it would be him.

    Maybe I'm wrong and maybe I'm jumping the gun. But I don't think so. I'm not making a place for him in the Hall of Fame or the Ring of Honor or whatever...but I think he's going to play football on Sundays.
     
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  8. Larryfinfan

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    Yeah, which brings to mind another question...Gillislee seemed to be dancing some in the backfield...
     
  9. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    And by the way when I say Chad Bumphis was a standout at Mississippi State I mean that he literally is their school record holder having broken a bunch of Eric Moulds' records. Moulds has taken an interest in him by the way, has been trying to help develop him.

    I'm just sayin...keep an eye. Last night felt like one of those nights you look back at it some time later and you're like, yeah that probably was the first time this guy really stood out and said hey NFL, I'm here.

    In other words, I think there's a world of difference between his 5 catch, 85 yard performance last night and the 4 catch, 71 yard performance that Roberto Wallace had in the first preseason game a year ago.
     
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  10. ToddPhin

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    and it wasn't really even a preseason game. It was more like a friggin' practice scrimmage for both teams to get an even better look at their potential starters and non-starters in order to fine tune how the preseason will go. This was just an information gathering session and an opportunity to do a little experimenting w/o worrying about it eating into our starters' reps.
     
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  11. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    You are afraid? I am not afraid. Lamar is not afraid. No one else here is afraid. Joe is not afraid. It seems as though you are the only one who is afraid. It appears you are teetering on the edge of unfounded irrational negativity and making a mountain out of a mole hill.
     
  12. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Plus he has a cool name which screams touchdown dance. Do the bumphis!
     
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  13. ToddPhin

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    He's the WILL I was banging the drum for pre-draft. I thought Dallas got a steal in the 6th round with him, but I'm certainly not upset about snagging Jenkins.
     
  14. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Why shouldn't we be happy to have more talent and depth at WR? You're sounding like LBsFinest. :)
     
  15. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Trust me. He was on the list. :)
     
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  16. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    never said that
     
  17. JMORGAN6977

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    I hate losing to Dallas on any day and that was frustrating to watch. But I love where we are going. This game was not going to tell us much, just kind of like an NBA summer league pickup game to see how all the new toys were gonna run. Our defense played great. Forcing the cowboys to use two possessions inside the 10 in order to score. Only other TD was a pick six. That was a successful night. Davis can close on a receiver even if he has to go around a WR pick. Dion Jordan is legit and some other names I never heard of really impressed.

    Offense what did you expect? I am grateful for our depth at qb just hope that when the real scheme is put in and it all counts, Tannehill shows us he is the clear starter. Devlin looks good. Someone said **** Keenan Davis, but the guy looked fearless and caught the ball. Bumphis looked good and bad but probably the best one out there. Egnew showed up and I am sure that was some much needed confidence for him. Martin looked ok against 2nd stringers, wish Ware could have shown us the true story. I love the RB depth. Thomas could be odd man out but that's just the first game. Miller is going to flash despite the fumble but I could see what was going through his mind he had a beautiful hole leading to the outside and he was gone on his first carry as a starter but he forgot the effin ball!!

    All in all the message was we have a very young team. VERY!!! The mistakes will be fixed and looking forward to week 1. Going to be fun watching these kids develop.

    Edit Tymms = Naanee
     
  18. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    at least he's honest and not sugar coating it.
     
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  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Tymms looked much better than Naanee and he actually used his strength on the field, unlike Chris "7-11" Hogan
     
  20. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    It's ironic that you guys show up here at around the same time :shifty:
     
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  21. JMORGAN6977

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    Dropped way too many balls. With the guys we have I dont think he makes it. He may not be as bad as Naanee but the closest one too him. With that said even though he dropped a lot of balls, it showed he had a knack for getting open.
     
  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    He had one drop. Naanee has NFL experience, Tyms is a raw prospect.

    I do not know if Tyms makes the team, however he showed a lot more than fan favorite Chris Hogan last season, in one game..
     
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  23. ToddPhin

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    wait, whose list? Yours as well, or Miami's?
     
  24. ckparrothead

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    I think Chad Bumphis and Chris Hogan make for an interesting comparison.

    Hogan of course was famous for his nick name, "Always Open" or "7-11".

    Alain Poupart of MiamiDolphins.com suggests that Chad Bumphis has a similar reputation (quietly).

    http://www.miamidolphins.com/news/a...e-Player/a1a71c10-a728-487b-a5cc-d99e916e7080

    And if you're questioning why the local media haven't noticed Bumphis, I say look no further than back to last year when that Hard Knocks episode essentially revealed Hogan's cult following within the Dolphins coaching staff and players, even though the local media had not picked up on it one bit. To that point we had barely heard Chris Hogan's name twice. I even looked it up on the internet (at the time) to see how often the beat writers (Armando, Omar, etc) had even mentioned Hogan's name. I believe Armando mentioned him in passing once, prior to that episode.

    So for all we know, Alain Poupart is right and the Dolphins coaches and players do know Chad Bumphis as a guy that gets open, just as they did last year with Hogan.

    Where the two start to really differ is that during the games when presented with physicality in coverage, Chris Hogan really wilted. That was his problem. He just couldn't maintain his receiving skills while having to deal with the physicality of the game. I mentioned before how a lot of the NFL's most prominent slot receivers have such varied backgrounds, especially in terms of draft standing. One thing I think most of them share in common is a significant history of catching the football in college, which is something Hogan didn't have. Maybe that's something you really need in order to maintain your receiving skills in the middle of the field where things get more physical. I don't know. Either way, Hogan couldn't deal with it.

    But last night, that's where I really felt Bumphis shined. That first 45 yard catch and run was nice, showed good open field running instincts and gears, but I liked the other plays just as much. I liked when Bumphis caught that ball in traffic and was quick enough to jerk back, make some people miss and run wide for the first down. I liked what Bumphis did on that 4th down play where he came inches shy of getting the 1st down and got smacked just as he caught it, yet held on. Hell I liked what he did physically on that near-interception where Micah Pellerin clearly maintained deep position in coverage and the QB probably should've gone for a back shoulder throw if not checked off the receiver period, yet it was Bumphis fighting physically for every inch of position he could that prevented Pellerin coming down with the ball with both feet in bounds. If you're comfortable with the physicality of the game I think good things tend to happen.

    And that's what Chris Hogan's preseason showed that he was missing, IMO.
     
  25. ckparrothead

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    Hah. Mine.
     
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  26. 72 Dolphins

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    You couldn't be more wrong... my only concern with Miller, because when he plays he will excite, is NFL durability. He's a bit on the small side to be an every down NFL back, but so is Chris Johnson in Tennessee and by seasons end it will be a fair comparison. IF given he can handle the work load for 16 games, Miller could emerge as the STUD of this offense. That being the hope, getting caught with your pants down by not replacing Jake Long at Left Tackle when the entire football world knew we needed to address the position, was a sorry bit of GMing. Lets face it, he struck out on Brandon Albert, didn't take Lane Johnson, and now we may suffer for it. Come on Jonathan Martin ... see the position - be the position.
     
  27. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Point is, it's not a big deal.

    http://www.bsports.com/statsinsight...ks-gotten-shorter-a-statistical-investigation
     
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  28. 72 Dolphins

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    Point is, it's not a big deal


    We'll see, you list height, as if Earl Campbell and Lamar Miller are the same back.

    Look, Miller is Chris Johnson small and fast, it can be done, more backs that size can't than can.

    BTW Morris Martin and Gore from last year are all bigger than Miller. Muscle Mass - Thighs - Power. These backs get the ball on the goal line, Lamar Miller won't.

    Bend it how you like, Miller is NFL small.


     
  29. Section126

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    wtf?

    Lamar Miller is small?

    He's 5'-10" 220 lbs. Ricky Williams in 2002 was 5'-10" 230.


    WTF is going on in this board today?
     
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  30. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    preseason jitters, the fan version
     
  31. Section126

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    wait a minute...I just noticed this....

    Hate to break it to you...Miller is heavier than Morris, Martin and Gore.

    Where did you get this crap?
     
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  32. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    *farts*

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_average_weight_for_NFL_running_back
     
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  33. Section126

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    no..it's worse. you can;t speak authoritatively on something and come off as if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

    BTW...you know what;s funnier? Lamar Miller was asked to lose weight at the U, because he was too heavy in spring ball. At one point he weighed 230 pounds.
     
  34. Fin D

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    Jesus Christ, this is getting ridiculous with you. You have yet to state a single accurate fact.

    Thurman Thomas 206lbs
    Emmit Smith 210lbs
    Curtis Martin 210lbs.
    Marshall Faulk 211lbs
    Adrian Peterson 217lbs
    Lamar Miller 218lbs.
    LaDanian Tomlinson 221lbs

    Stop embarrassing yourself.
     
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  35. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    C.J. Spiller is listed at 200 lbs.

    Ray Rice is 212.

    Jamaal Charles at 199.

    Lesean McCoy is 208.

    etc. etc.

    Who's bending what?
     
  36. ckparrothead

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    Personally not sure Lamar Miller will ever be great from tight red. Will probably score plenty of touchdowns from 10+ yards out though.
     
  37. 72 Dolphins

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    OMG Ricky Williams had one thigh as big as both of Millers. Yes bro, Lamar Miller is a speed back - HE IS SMALL. Lamar Miller is not a power runner, he won't be running over linebackers ala Earl Campbell.

    I'm not saying he won't be great, all I'm saying is the NFL load is a question mark. Chris Johnson did it in Tennessee, Marshall Faulk did it for years, they make people miss, they survive the big hits.

    It's a question mark - we will see.
     
  38. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Alright, fair, but I don't see how his size factors into the durability argument you originally brought up.
     
  39. Fin D

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    This is dumb. Miller is not small.
     
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    I can see on this site, objective analysis is frowned upon. If you wear the uniform your an All-Pro. I get it now.

    Ok I give in - Lamar Miller is the 2nd coming of Jim Brown. He will get the ball on the goal line, he is a beast !! Earl Campbell, Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, Jim Brown, and every other back that could take on a NFL linebacker and win, LOOK OUT. We have the next power runner the NFL should fear.

    Please, he's a speed back. 250 NFL carries, if he holds up, I'l be amazed.
     
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