Well I am a little concerned myself. Not in full panic mode(like some)...but I feel like our entire season rests on Tannys shoulders(or arm). Not saying he wont be a good quarterback for us for years to come, but I'm more concerned with signs of him having a "slump" year. I like Tanny a lot and want him to succeed in this league but if he takes a step back in his progress this year, coupled with the O-line issues....OMG. It may be a long season for us Dolphans not unless our defense can play lights out and keep the score low. But I do know it ain't all BAD!! It just could be?
Nothing wrong with being concerned, but needing to be talked off a ledge after one preseason game and one bad practice (in which he took at least half of Devlin's normal throws) and outwardly questioning whether Tannehill is regressing is a bit much.
Philbin had the audacity to blow the whistle and run out on the field...if he does that during the season, we'll be the laughing stock of the league. Laughing. Stock.
Valid point FinO. Still, now is precisely the time to make the mistakes. Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 2
Nah, I have realistic expectations. Tannehill will not, IMO, ever be Aaron Rodgers, but I can still hold out hope that he can be a top 10 QB in this league. Even with his streakiness, it can still be achieved
I've always been concerned with Tannehill's ball placement and timing on throws into the middle of the field. I haven't seen any reason to believe he won't improve though. He throws some extraordinary outside breaking routes. Making an evaluation based on tweets during training camp seems kind of silly. Do we even know if all of the receives ran the right routes?
His accuracy is a concern to Sherman and Philbin. He still doesn't have "it." He throws underneath too much, he usually throws to the shorter route when I see receivers in the frame open for what would be a more challenging throw, our d shuts him down pretty regularly in practice. The betting line is 7-8 wins, I'd rather have 3-5 wins than 7-8.
with his mobility and playmaking ability, he can be a different kind of awesome. Not quite rodgers awesome, but awesome no less. This board is going nuts IMO. Tannehill regressing? Based on practice? the public should not be allowed to watch practice. Sheesh
Emotion is part of being a fan that actually gives a poop about the team but part of that is also not getting too high or too low emotionally. It would have been funny f someone brought their pro bowl tickets in anticipation of seeing tannehill there after his first week when he went interception free for the entire week (according to bleacher report) right? So wy run to the ledge when he has a bad day? Stuff happens. Let it happen in practice vs a good defense.
Tannehill had three picks vs Houston, two on batted balls and 1 where Naannee hung him out to dry on an in cut. Number 4 was a pick 6 vs NY in week 3 when he made a terrible decision throwing late to Fasano on a crossing route. 5 and 6 were vs Arizona in week 4, one where Hartline fell down and another in OT when he was hit by a blitzer while trying to throw. 7-8-9 were vs Tennessee, a pick 6 on a ball tipped at the LOS, a ball deflected by Fasano right to Akeem Ayers, and one where he was fooled by a LB showing blitz then buzzing underneath the slant route. 10-11 were in the last 2 minutes of the Buff game, one on a corner route where Bess lost track of the ball, on the other RT was trying to force it into Bess over the middle with 50 seconds left. 12 was vs Seattle trying to hit Bess on a crossing route, very similar to the one he threw vs NY in week 3. 13 was on another crossing route, a force to Matthews, who was double covered while Hartline was wide open underneath. If you're counting that's 5 INTs that were deflected at the LOS, where RT was blasted trying to throw or where Fasano tipped the ball to his defender. 2 INTs where RT's receivers either fell down or ran a terrible route. 3 INTs late in games when the team was trailing. And 3 INTs early in games where RT made bad decisions, all on crossing routes, coincidentally. RT caught some bad breaks vs Houston and Tennessee, forced a few throws here and there, got fooled a time or two and paid for it. But overall his decision making was outstanding given the amount of experience he had coming into the season. There was really nothing streaky about it.
100% right. It seems 99% of the jumping to conclusions happens when something goes wrong. Where are the "Will Davis is Deion 2.0" or "Derrick Shelby is a BEAST" threads?
I'll wait till the regular season to start beefing about his turnovers. I plan on tracking his TD/INT ratio among other QB metrics very closely all season and discussing them ad naseum. That will be the time for praise/cliff jumping/nit picking etc. Till then haters gonna hate. Homers gonna homer.
Between tannehill, luck, rg III, wilson and kaepernick I expect three if not four to suffer a sophmore slump. Luck is the only one I think might escape it. Defenses are going to take away what worked for each of them
My guess is that when he shared his concern, and the first reply to "talk me off the ledge" was essentially, 'go ahead jump'.. that he was correctly noticing a somewhat nidely toned derision of his position. That's opposite end of the spectrum from respecting someone's right to feel the way they do but disagreeing. Now, it's a message board, and we are snide and sarcastic all the time.. but that's what it leads to: people feeling invalidated if not being treated as if their opinion was unreasonable and over reacting. More on topic than beginning to analyse the personalities and behavior of the posters though, let's get back to the issue at hand: is there cause for concern about Tannehill and his progress level? I think this week's game will be a much better barometer of that than the pre-preseason game was.
It'll definitely happen to kaepernick. D coordinators won't let him loose nearly as much this season. He'll have to win games from the pocket way more often this year. Due to his injury, rg3 will fall down to earth most likely. Just can't see him playing at the same level. Really feel he rushed to get back. Wilson? Idk. Got harvin now, and he's just a smart qb. I think he continues to flourish. I think tannehill makes strides cause I have faith this new wr corps is going to make plays for him, instead of like last year where we couldn't make a play if the game depended on it. (Hartline tripping against the niners)
Define "Sophomore slump." RGIII is coming off an injury, a late ACL tear. I don't expect him to truly be 100%. He won't put up gaudy rushing numbers early, which might limit his passing ability in the spread option offense. Russell Wilson is legitimate. However, he was somewhat streaky with some boom or bust games. I expect him to put up solid numbers. Would say he surpasses his rookie campaign if Percy Harvin was available. Ckap is also legitimate. Even without Crabtree, I think that offense has enough talent at the receiver position. Like Cam Newton, his body is built to run. I don't see defenses taking away anything from him. He'll dominate them and put up big numbers this year. I don't think 4,000 yards passing and 1,000 yards rushing is out of the question for this kid, in that offense, with that head coach. If he can find chemistry with Vernon Davis, yikes... Andrew Luck is a bit smoke and mirrors. On the one hand, he lead his team to an 11-5 record. He had over 20 tds as a rookie, but he also had a bunch of terrible games, especially on the road. In fact, he lead the league in most amount of INT's dropped with 7. He's also lost his head coach and offensive coordinator Bruce Arian. I think that's a monster loss for this kid. On the flip side, he has (with CKap) one of the most talented teams for a 2nd year QB. Reggie Wayne is Reggie Wayne. But beyond that, he's got all those 2nd year players with him. TY Hilton, Coby Fleener (having a great camp, apparently), and Dwayne Allen. He's also got an upgrade at the RB position with Bradshaw. He's the hardest of all the young QB's to gauge, IMO. Could go either way. Ryan Tannehill has some new weapons, but it remains to be seen whether or not he's truly evolved. Last year, he was streaky as hell. He had a bunch of solid outings and a bunch of outings that made him look every bit of the rookie that he was. Given that he played with a major talent handicap, I have to believe he has nowhere to go but up. I also liked how the coaches made him bite the bullet and stay in the pocket and learn to be an NFL QB. I really hope he takes a leap, but unlike some people on this board, I'm not banking on a 25TD season. I'm thinking 18 TD -12 INT. Oh, and even though it's his Jr. year, I'd throw Cam Newton in this mix of young guns. I expect him to pop off. Easily the most physically gifted QB in this group. He seems to have some found some maturity in the interviews I've been hearing. Kid is a notorious worker in the off-season. I like Mike Shula as his OC too. He's got carolina's running game back on track from reports. Cam could use some more playmakers, but I think he'll be fine this year with Olsen and Smith leading the way. I hear Ted Ginn is having a nice camp as a WR. While he'll never be a true #1 or #2, we all know what Teddy is capable of in the big play department. Even though no one mentions it, Teddy dominated Revis in his prime with the deep ball. Could give Cam a true deep threat, giving him tons of flexibility in that spread option offense.
I think being concerned about a QB for throwing 3INTs in one practice is absolutely silly. I think being concerned about a QB for throwing 3INTs in one practice after an entire week plus of no INTs is absolutely ridiculous. I think being concerned about a QB for throwing 3INTs in one practice after an entire week plus of no INTs with a month left in TC is borderline serious emotional issues. And none of that, said he doesn't have the right to be worried/panicky/paranoid/reactionary/scared/terrified.etc. After last year and the sheer mental break from reality and sanity that the fans had, I refuse to apologize for calling out overreactions this year.
There are tons of factors involved, many of which you aptly spelled out, but as a general rule of thumb what happens in the second year is defenses are devised that make sophmore QBs play to their weaknesses instead of their strengths. I expect wilson, rg and koepernick to all have a harder go of it as I expect defenses will be much more prepared for that style of offense similar to how the wildcat had a great rookie season and then not so much.luck and tannehill run different more traditional offenses but I expect tendencies developed year one and will be shut down by defenses year two. Luck is just such a brainaic that he may be able to overcome it and adjust. Tannehill's wildcard is all the new weapons. We'll see
That's correct but some people just can't help themselves. But like a said not going to waste my time responding to these people. Yes and hopefully tanny shows us something this Friday!!!
Andrew Luck is far from smoke and mirrors. He is great and will be great this year. Andrew Luck threw more deep balls than any QB in the league. In fact, losing Arians and bringing in his college OC will actually make Luck better. Arians offense didn't play to his strengths nearly as well as Pep Hamilton will. I understand there is a high bar for the guy given the hype, but he lived up to the hype last year and is already a Top 10, maybe top 7 QB in the league. I also find it hard to believe that any of the other guys will slump too much. RGIII is extraordinarily accurate, particularly deep, and even if he runs a little less, that won't change. And Wilson and Kaep are on the two most talented teams in football so even if they slump a bit they will still be good and likely both make the playoffs
This is the question I have regarding the reports of Tanny's demise Tuesday...what were the conditions ?? Was he running for his life ?? Did the receivers run the wrong routes or not be where they were supposed to be ?? Were the receivers playing "Chad Bumphis" and batting the balls in the air to the defenders ?? All potential issues and something Sherman made reference to. Lots of questions as to why those ints were thrown. That doesn't excuse him from blame on them. The QB will always get the blame, even if there are mitigating circumstances that cause an INT.... That said, let's also keep in mind that it's entirely likely that guys like Marino have thrown multiple INTs in practice but there wasn't twitter at that time...
Were all his interceptions 11v11 ? I know these guys count tds/ints even during 1on1 and 7v7 drills. I mean, if its 1 on 1 and RT HAS to throw it to that one receiver, theres a good chance its a pick because A. The corner knows its coming to him and B. The receiver has to win the battle. All in all, its ridiculous to get too high on good stuff and too low on bad stuff in practices.....lets look for week in and week out improvements through preseason, lets have RT get all his weapons on the field, and lets hope for the best!
