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Ireland addresses state of franchise

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CrunchTime, Aug 14, 2013.

  1. LBsFinest

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  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Statements are on record that Parcells picked Jake Long, but he also states that he sent the GM to scout the qbs in that draft and that collectively they came to a conclusion that Henne and Long were a better combo than just Matt Ryan..

    If true then I think it's safe to say they both made a mistake on the #1 pick five years ago..

    While in need of a QB, and Ireland in total control, he passed on Kaepernik and Wilson when they were tremendously underrated and easily available..

    I think we need to keep this in mind as we watch the season play out and watch Ryan develop, it should give us a decently clear pic of his evaluations skills at the most important position.As far as the rest of the squad, Give me 8 and 8 with a 2nd year head coach, one of the youngest teams in the league, and I believe that's improvement from my personal timeline and probably tells us that he's built a nice balanced squad, and a Qb with arrows up.
     
  3. Drowning

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    If... Pardon me "if" I am somewhat negative about taking- check that- trading up for an "if". Yes, every draft pick is an "if" but "if" you draft one with an "if" history you have to be burned at the stake when the "if" hasn't made it through preseason without aggravating his "if" injury. Listen we all want Jordan to be a freaky beast and when it goes down all of you can make the we whom lit the fires eat crow. Until that day, no "if", ands, or buts about it- burn baby burn.
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Jesus, again with the Jarvis jones post, my goodness, that's at least 10 times I've heard you say that..is it possible you let it play out.?, Jordan is a blue chip prospect..
     
  5. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    "If" everything were a sure bet, there'd be 32 SB winners every year. He took a shot on Jordan, and at the moment, NOBODY knows whether it's boom or bust. Putting a pre-season limit on calling it a win or lose is pre-mature, IMHO. Some people on here (not saying you) would lambaste Ireland to the high heavens if Jordan ended up with 20 sacks and the Pro Bowl this year...they'd give the trainers and coaches credit for making him a balla despite Ireland's ignorance.
     
  6. Drowning

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    But you gotta hit, brother. That's the point. You open up a business on an "if", right? You hang your balls out to dry. But if business isn't bringing in bucks, you gotta close shop.

    Now, who's got there magic 8 ball on hand? Of course we have to let this thing play out but make no mistake about it brother, when you tell me this kid is already ailing when some players are not even going balls out the futures not bright, we don't have to wear shades.
     
  7. 72 Dolphins

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    I don't know what you could possibly be looking at to see a 10-6 team. The holes on this team are gaping.

    I wouldn't have drafted Jarvis Jones either, the position didn't fit the team needs, but I am saying if you were going to draft the position, draft the proven STUD not the injured nobody. They drafted Dion Jordan on his combine numbers, not his football abilities. He has never played a significant season of football. Who cares what his wing span is.

    This team will not be above .500 and I don't even want to say "I told you so" at the end of the season. I WANT A NEW GM ! Our current model is clueless.

    I hate to say this, because I'm seriously trying to ignore it, but our franchise QB, has gotta go also. I'm sorry if you want to wait because we can't possibly know that yet. YES WE CAN KNOW IT. He sucks. No offense but he does. He should have stayed at WR.

    That is all. I'm sorry that I'm right and I'm sorry that most of you have FAN-ATTICism and refuse to see the obvious.

    One more thing - You can't have a SHUT DOWN CB coming off a complete achillies tear. These are things only a FAN-attic ignores. We may as well call Brent Grimes the TD Maker. Jeeeez. This is obvious $hiY.
     
  8. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Ya I hear ya, and I understand where you're coming from. I'm just an eternal optimist, particularly when it comes to things I cannot, in any way, control.
     
  9. Stitches

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    Well this thread just got a whole lot better. Only took 4 clicks.
     
  10. PhinFan1968

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    Claiming "you're right" when we still haven't played the 2nd damn (real) pre-season game of the year? How do you function? If you're so RIGHT already, heck, go take Jeff's job there sparky.

    And have you NOT seen all the reports about Grimes coming out of camp? Add to that the fact other teams won't throw at him already? You must really be a Jets fan, here to mess with us.
     
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  11. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Did the same...smells better already.
     
  12. rafael

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    The reports at the time were that Ireland preferred Matt Ryan to Long, but that Parcells preferred Long. Eventually they all agreed, but you have to factor in that only an idiot would not eventually agree with the boss (especially one as petty as Parcells).
     
  13. 72 Dolphins

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    Really, why do we loathe the JETS. It's not that the team has won anything. There is more reason to loathe Buffalo or New England but yet we all loathe the JETS.

    It is because so many of them show up to Dolphin Home Games. Always have. It became personal because when they won they were so obnoxious.

    I guess it's the JET fans we really loathe, not the JETS.
     
  14. cuchulainn

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    Jaysus... you spent 2 weeks harping on Lane Johnson and are still on Jarvis Jones. We heard you the first 10 posts, yet you continue to harpie on this and your arrogance is over-bearing. You're welcome to your opinion, but stop trying to shovel it out of the stall and onto us. And now you're on Grimes, who has been good all camp? WTH?

    You should really check out finheaven... or were you ran out of there previously?
     
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  15. cuchulainn

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    His point was that you're as arrogant and obnoxious as they are...
     
  16. Drowning

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    But 72 Dolphins, tell us how you really feel. :)

    I think you may be on the opposite end of the spectrum which contradicts your Attics accusation. For you may be an Attic yourself, just on the opposite end.

    Based on the football i have seen thus far, I'm not optimistic about the upcoming season. Can my fellow fans really hate on me? Come on, fellas. We started our season with a fumble- a fumble.

    On the flip side, I remind my self that it's only preseason. But when your qb is taking sacks before dumping off to the rb, has happy feet probably because he is well aware of the porch screen door we have for an oline with more injuries accumulating and your #1 pick that went 3rd overall in a trade up is already sporting college ailments, what positivity can I take from that? But it is only preseason.
     
  17. ToddPhin

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    I just can't believe people can treat a billion dollar organization as if it's a one man operated hot dog stand.

    -Forget that we had a VP of Operations from 2008-2010 who only answered to the owner and whose specific vision we adhered to.
    -Forget that our VP hired a stable of stale coaches.
    -Forget that coaches are responsible for developing players and helping them attain their Pro Bowl potential.
    -Forget that our VP was heavily involved in the draft process and spent hours upon hours studying film, as well as created the specific blueprint for drafting players.
    -Forget that our scouted/drafted players had to fit the schemes we ran, which left little room for optimism when it's Dan Henning's scheme.
    -Forget that our HC & OC had some input in the process.
    -Forget that we changed offensive schemes [out of necessity] and that some of the team obviously wouldn't transition over b/c of it.
    -Forget that this was previously a 1-15 team previously.
    -Forget that Ireland had no prior GM experience.

    Yup, our VP of Operations did nothing; our Director & Assistant Director of Player Personnel did nothing; our Director & Assistant Director of College Scouting did nothing; our flock of college & pro scouts did nothing; our Manager of Football Administration did nothing; our two dozen coaches had no player development responsibilities. Ireland ran it all. He flew around the country all Superman style scouting & vetting any and every college player he wanted w/o regard to scheme fit or his boss's vision of the team, all the while running the organization, keeping up with the actual team itself, coaching up the players, and tracking all the other players around the league. No wonder the team failed with all that responsibility bestowed upon him. :shifty:

    If people wanna throw around this baseless argument that Ireland is at fault for failure b/c he was the labeled "GM" under Parcells' tyranny, then Brian Gaine needs to be equally scapegoated too, which wouldn't make any sense considering he's coveted around the league and was just promoted to Assistant GM under Philbin's watch. Gee, how can that be?
     
  18. GMJohnson

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    Uh oh. Ya'll done pissed Todd off.
     
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  20. Drowning

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    I just knew we'd get higher-ups in here one day. Listen Ireland :) Put a winner on the field, well accounting for the quoted post, HELP put a winner on the field and the rest will take care of itself.

    Gees phinsational, finish the job and hand me a razor blade. I'm Drowning and you're describing the water. :)
     
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  21. cuchulainn

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    No, we started the pre-preseason HOF game with Jon Martin holding his own and run blocking for Miller. The fact that Miller fumbled sucked, but doesn't sum up what the kid can or will do. Then he busted a couple of first down runs against the 1s. This after we were told all offseason that Martin couldn't play or block. We've been hit with injuries at RG and the OLine is unsettled right now.

    But if you want to choose to cherry pick the handful of negative plays and summarize the upcoming season based on those, then go for it. And stupid us, we didn't get draft insurance. Bummer.
     
  22. ToddPhin

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    Parcells sent Henning, Sparano, and Ireland to watch Henne, so that should sum up all we need to know about that. They decided as a group about Henne. Plus it was for Henning's offense and Sparano's team.

    Firstly, we didn't have a 2nd round pick in 2011 as you know, so that's a pretty big monkey wrench. Secondly, Kaep might've been underrated but it wasn't to the point of suggesting a team pick him at 15th overall, and we didn't have the ammo to trade up to the top of the 2nd round w/o using our 2012 1st rounder in the process. We passed on Wilson b/c we had already drafted Tannehill. 32 NFL teams passed on Wilson at least twice including the team that drafted him so lets not pretend it was a foregone conclusion that he'd look great in the NFL. He fooled everyone. Even the teams that were smitten with Wilson refused to draft him before round 3.
     
  23. Bpk

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    Thing is, that little sign that bosses keep on their desks that reads "The Buck Stops Here" has to be on someones desk at this point. And if it's on Ireland's (not sure where else it would be at this point) then if we fail to meet expectations this season, he may not get renewed.
     
  24. ToddPhin

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    this'll be a fun post to bump later in the season.
     
  25. ToddPhin

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    That's only fair now that he's in the "buck stops here" position. It's his vision. His blueprint for players. His coaching hires. His draft. His final say on decisions. If we happen to not succeed it's on his shoulders, just as when we didn't succeed previously it was on Parcells' shoulders, and just as I wouldn't blame Brian Gaine for any hypothetical failure during Ireland's tenure, I won't blame Ireland for failure during Parcells' tenure or in the wake of it while undergoing heavy transition.
     
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  26. Drowning

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    So your not cherry-picking the good? The cajones on some of you to tell others not to do what they themselves are doing. It's either infuriating or hilarious depending on the ambiance.

    I get it- glass have full and all that jazz. Good for you dude. And I don't say that with sarcasm.

    What the happy folk need to get is that we do this every year. This did this right and his footwork is better and ladididah lah all day long. I know. I used to do it too, watching practice, "oh, look at the cuts McNut is making. This is progress." My left McNut, my fine feathered friend.

    I want to see a product on the field where i am too busy watching touchdowns to notice if Martin's kick-step is quicker. Yes, in a meaningless HOF game get on the field and drive the ball 80 yards for a score. Let the world know the Miami Dolphins are coming.
     
  27. cuchulainn

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    I was attempting to point out that we all choose what we decide to focus on, but you've decided to brace for a verbal altercation instead.

    Yes, there were negative plays. There were also some good ones, but if you're set on one or the other, then you don't want to hear about the opposing view. If your take away from that game was Miller's fumble, Tannehill not throwing bombs, and have decided the season is toast, then so be it.

    What I just take issue with is negative, arrogant people talking down to those who don't share their views and who troll every thread, or every few with the same negative drivel - Ireland sucks, Martin sucks, Tannehill sucks, shoulda drafted so and so, shoulda signed so and so, and so on and so on, and so on... and try to shout down everyone else. And no, that wasn't aimed at you as I haven't seen you doing that.

    All said, I want to see the same thing you do - a dominating defense and a high octane offense. How we arrive there, or if we even do, is the rub. But what we focus on during the process is our own choosing.
     
  28. djphinfan

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    that's what I originally thought but have no proof.

    Did some research..

    So this question was posed to Parcells.

    He responded with.

    Also said.

    Reporter responded with
    There was a pause for a few seconds, then he blurted out this crap.


    Which tells me he really blew the call because imo Matt Ryan has easily demonstrated he was worth the pick and this fool is too proud to admit it...double dumb.

    Then he finished up with the dinosaur way of thinking..


    this one pretty much tells me a lot, and also probably tells me his influence over Ireland at the time was strong.


    Maybe Parcells said, listen, this is the first pick for this franchise, we can't fu&$it up, now Jeffrey, go find me a Qb we can pick in the 2nd round to go along with him..

    Makes sense no?
     
  29. MrClean

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    So now it has to be perennial pro bowlers? Quit moving the goal posts for gawd sake. Granted, the number of pro bowlers Ireland has something to do with being in Miami is not extensive, but it would also include Starks, Incognito, Grimes, Wallace, Clabo, and Pouncey. The latter has not made it yet because his twin does and any objective observer can see that our Pouncey is better.
    Now, don't come back and say he did not draft those guys, because you did not specify in drafted in your earlier post I responded to. You said "acquired".
     
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  30. MrClean

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    This pretty says how the careers of Jones and Jordan will play out all the way through I guess. Canton better start working on Jones' bust right away, and Miami may as well cut an injury prone underachiever like Jordan.
     
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  31. Drowning

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    Here, here dude. You're right.

    I didn't mean to seem like a$$. We all cherry-pick so let's all of stop calling others on it.

    I want to be positive. I really do. But where we are today, the film we have so far and the news coming out of practice...

    To go positive I asked myself every time I saw Daniel T. running why the heck is Miller not out there and it seems as though he is going to a beast for us. But since I am a U fan, I knew this already.

    John M. Looks wonderful on some plays a d awful the next but one thing is clear, he seems more comfortable at LT. Props to Ireland/coaches.

    Our linebackers are flying around like eagles out there- very excited to keep watching that.

    From what we have seen out of Jordan so far- very exciting.
     
  32. cuchulainn

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    Thanks, and I agree on Miller. I follow The U and Arkansas in the SEC (mostly because I am surrounded by %^&* Bama and LSU fans). Thomas is cannon fodder. Miller is the bomb. Ready for him to explode this season.

    Agree on the defensive guys. Can't wait for the season opener. ;-)
     
  33. GMJohnson

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    I put the troll on ignore but every time you quote him I have to read his crap.



    Yes, I'm complaining. Yes I expect you to do something about it.
     
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    That's how we scout players now, Google. Show me some love Mr. C and stop quoting the clown. My eyes hurt.
     
  35. ToddPhin

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    maybe you should ignore MrClean too. That'll learn him.
     
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  36. LBsFinest

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    Uhhh I never heard this.
     
  37. LBsFinest

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    Here's the best case scenario: Tannehill balls, the team makes the playoffs, then after the season Ross sells the team, new owner comes in and believes in Tannehill, but wants his own choice to run the front office so Ireland isn't retained, then we hire Marc Ross from the Giants, and we go from there. Ireland then goes back to Dallas after bombing every GM interview.
     
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    Don't agree with some of the stuff you post, but definitely agree that Marc Ross is an excellent football man. I'd be happy to have him as our GM *if* we decided to make a change. I'm hoping that doesn't need to happen.

    Also, not sure we can woo Ross out of NY. Didn't he already get promoted there?
     
  39. Desides

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    According to what measures?

    If that's what you think, then you aren't paying attention to the content of posts.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    I can totally see the scenario where Parcells makes the #1 overall for the franchise considering it was his fist extremely important decision for a downtrotted franchise, while giving the ok to Ireland to find the best of the rest to make a Left tackle p/Qb sandwich...that's what makes most sense to me..

    As far as Kaepernick and Wilson, if you have the abiltiy to identify two franchise qbs that are going completely underrated, well fu&$ yeah brother, that's the goal ain't it??, make the move and secure the player at all costs when your that sure about something..obviously he wasn't that sure, about both, which is his mistake..

    Would of done that for Kaepernik, and would of finagled the #8 position to secure Wilson way earlier..
     
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