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Sherman - Tannehill - Taylor

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Warfield42, Aug 16, 2013.

  1. Warfield42

    Warfield42 New Member

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    The Ireland-Philbin-Tannehill linkage, addrressed in Hyde's article, can extend further to include Mike Sherman and his son in law and QB coach Zac Taylor.

    If the offense lights it up and Tannehill improves, everyone will celebrate the success. But if the offense sputters and or Tannehill struggles, I think the cozy relationship and decision making of Philbin, Sherman, Tannehill, and Taylor will come under serious scrutiny, as it should.

    I have no problem with Philbin hiring Sherman as OC based on their history (Green Bay, Worcester Academy). They are comfortable with each other, I get it. But where I get concerned is how comfort level appears to have been a factor in selecting Tannehill. Was he the best choice for QB because he knew Sherman’s offense and they are comfortable with each other or was he the best QB available? Maybe both are true, but maybe not.

    Was Zac Taylor the best QB coach available or was he the one most familiar with Sherman’s offense? I guess you can debate the value or impact of the QB coach, but when you select a QB who had limited starts in college, the importance of the QB coach escalates.

    My point here is I think all of this comfort and familiarity may interfere with making objective decisions if the offense struggles. Hopefully we just win baby and blissfully celebrate success.
     
  2. gandalfin

    gandalfin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Very well formed and thought provoking OP. To me, this hits home more than Hyde's premise regarding how crucial this upcoming year is. Ireland and Philbin may or may not be gone if it is a down year but Sherman and Taylor are in much greater jeopardy if the offense and Tannehill struggle. Taylor in particular, being so young, will be very scrutinized. Sherman as offensive coordinator has as much on the line as anyone. This is going to be a more interesting year than usual what with all the off season moves.
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's in Tannehill favor, and maybe it expedited his curve into playing decent last year, but the flashes that he's comfortable with the speed of the game aren't quite consistent enough yet, and the last thing you can use as a legitimate reason is rep count in the pocket..I think once this Qb and coordinator can gameplan, I do think we will have an improved Qb, I expect 24/12..it's obvious in the preseason their keeping him confined in the pocket, once the play book opens up and moving the pocket, read option, misdirection, become part of the sets, then that stuff will help his rhythm..we should know what his ceiling is after this year.
     
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  4. sandcastle

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    The Zac Taylor hire works as there's no need for him to get on the same page as the offensive coordinator. He focuses on organizing the QBs to execute the offense and the QBs rave on how great their 'room' is. My assumption is that to prove his worth, Zac works his *** off with watching and breaking down film; and he comes off sounding like a peer when communicating to the QBs.
     
  5. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    No. I don't see he possibly could have been. I wasn't a fan of him coming on board and I'm really still not.
     
  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Judging from HardKnocks, it seems Taylor's only real job was to run the QB meetings. I think he's basically an extension of Philbin & Sherman...a tool they use to get their methods across to the QB's, instead of a guru type coach, like a Kacy Rodgers for example.
     
  7. ATLFINFAN

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    Sherman worries me more than Taylor. I've never been a fan of Sherman although I see the reason he is here with Tanny.
     
  8. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Personally I can see the concern about Sherman, but I don't see much reason to believe that RT was only brought in b/c of him. We had reports of Ireland scouting RT before Philbin was hired. I also think that with Ireland finally having the opportunity to draft his own QB that it is unlikely that he wouldn't have brought in the guy he wanted. Remember there were reports that Ireland preferred Matt Ryan in that first draft, but that Parcells preferred Jake Long. We all know how that decision went. I would think that once Ireland was finally able to make the final call, there's no way he would have just picked a guy that an OC wanted unless it was also the guy he wanted.
     
  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If that statement about Ireland is indeed true, or has a better chance of being true than false, it's really indicting on those who think Ireland should be responsible for multiple 7 and 9 seasons.
     
  10. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Those were the reports before that first draft. I used know people who still had contacts in the F.O. back then and I believe those reports to be true.
     
  11. ATLFINFAN

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    Rafael, IF your comment was directed at me, Maybe you misread my post. I didn't say RT was brought here b/c of Sherman.

    If not directed at me, NEVERMIND.........

    I somewhat think Irish/Philbin hired Sherman so his future new QB would have a better chance, in theory, meaning, they already knew they wanted to draft Tanny if available when they picked, so they locked up the coach before hand. There also wasn't much talk of anyone wanting to get in front of Miami to get Tanny. It all fits but that doesn't mean it happened that way. No evidence for this, just guessing, of course.
     
  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well, that's enough for me...

    Anyone else care to chime in a about their stance in how Ireland should be held accountable, when you really have no proof better than this?
     
  13. HULKFish

    HULKFish Artist and Scribe

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    Well if you ladies are done... this sounds like the plot of a soap opera! Isn't this football? Isn't this the modern Gladiators? Lets see what they can do on the field, and leave the drama for the girls on NFL Network.

    I believe they aren't and haven't come out with the full offense yet, and maybe they won't. It seems to me they are using this preseason to tune things and see what some players have, rather than dress rehearsal. If next week against the Bucs we don't see a more sound team in the first half, then worry.

    Disclaimer: This post isn't intended to be 100% serious, so don't get in a knot.
     
  14. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I was responding to the OP who stated, "But where I get concerned is how comfort level appears to have been a factor in selecting Tannehill. Was he the best choice for QB because he knew Sherman’s offense and they are comfortable with each other or was he the best QB available? Maybe both are true, but maybe not."
     
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  15. Disgustipate

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    Nepotism is a pretty widespread practice for breaking into coaching in the NFL.
     
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  16. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Reality is that this isn't "proof" to anybody but me. Those who wish to just blame Ireland for everything since he had the title will continue to believe what they want to believe. IMO it's obvious even without the extra confirmation I received that Ireland didn't have final say. Ireland himself has admitted that Parcells took players off of his board. Long-time friend Gil Brandt often talked about how Parcells had project players in the draft (while Parcells was in Miami) and that he would always make a few picks himself. IIMO it's just ludicrous to blame Ireland for making picks when you don't even know if he made them.
     

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