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Keller Done For The Year (Tears ACL/MCL/PCL knee dislocated)

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by slickj101, Aug 18, 2013.

  1. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    All Swearinger had to do was lock up and stalemate Keller while the two other defenders immediately nearby came in to finish.

    There is no excuse to fly in low directly at the knee in a preseason game. None.
     
  2. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    I was scratching my head as to why some of the starters were still in at that point.
    Hell I was holding my breath that Tannehill wasn't going to get injured right before Keller blew out his knee.
    Tannehill had that scramble play where he slid. I was sweating bullets.
     
  3. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    I didn't see a flag so it was considered legal.
    It's football man.
     
  4. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    That's your fallback—the legality of the hit? No one is objecting to its legality. The objection is to its necessity.

    And if "it's football man", then the concept of a tackle overrides the concept of an M. Bison psycho crusher.
     
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  5. vizi0n

    vizi0n Boom.. Club Member

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    Legal by the leagues standards because of all the attention upper body hits get. The whole "It's football man" is all good and well but the guy still didn't have to go about a low tackle the way he did. Agree to disagree.
     
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  6. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Dustin Keller was in mid air by the time Swearinger made his move. It was bad luck. If Reshard Jones made a hit like that, I wouldn't call him dirty.
     
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  7. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I'm not calling Swearinger dirty. It wasn't a dirty hit. It was an unnecessary hit by virtue of a. being a hit instead of a tackle or attempted tackle b. aimed low by Swearinger's own admission c. in a preseason game.
     
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  8. Stringer Bell

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    There's nothing that prevents a form tackle from happening.

    And no, you cannot use every means to get guys to the ground.

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  9. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I guess most of you defending the intent of Swearinger, don't know Swearinger. He has a history of being a dirty player who skirts the edge of legal and illegal. He is reckless in his style and looks to intimidate. That was his rep in college. He is Bernard Pollard with better cover skills.
    If I had not watched the game and only heard that a Texans DB took out one of our receivers with a direct shot to the knee, scrolling down a list of their DBs it would have taken me about 2 seconds to guess Swearinger.
     
  10. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    But do they cut him and recoup some of those millions?
    How does this effect the team per se?
     
  11. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    Word.
     
  12. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    the team is still responsible for his one year salary, whether he stays on the team or is cut.
     
  13. Springveldt

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    You can't win games if you can't rush the passer.
     
  14. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Patriots do just fine in that respect.
     
  15. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    ahh, ok. that hurts too. thought he could be injury waived and get some $$ back.
     
  16. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    a. You don't get to dictate whether it's acceptable for a player to hit or wrap up.
    b. He aimed low because the rules dictate that. Keller also has size on him. Aiming low was the right call.
    c. Preseason or not, swearinger is trying to earn a job and make plays.


    ITT: Dolphins are mad and are looking to blame anyone and everyone.




    This is the NFL. Get used to it or take up watching another sport.
     
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  17. Sceeto

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    Big big loss.
     
  18. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    No they don't. The rules don't say you can only tackle from the knees down. There's this whole other area..... called the torso. Swearinger ducked his head and launched himself at Keller's knee rather than keeping his eyes up and wrapping up & driving through Keller which he could've EASILY done if he gave a crud about learning how to properly tackle during his time at South Carolina.

    Secondly, why does he "need to aim low" when he has all the friggin' momentum during the play while Keller has just about none? He's a safety, dude, not a 5'8 180 pound corner. If he can't tackle a 6'2 and virtually defenseless tight end w/o taking out a knee then he should go back Pop Warner. This is what happens when you spend 4 years being a haphazard/lazy tackler in college- you end up getting people hurt.
     
  19. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    ITT: false machismo, bruh.

    I'm not mad at all. Keller is not exactly the best TE in the NFL and I thought he was a questionable fit on this team. Roster-wise it just basically means that Egnew has made the team. Gameday-wise it just means Tannehill is going to have to spread the ball around, which is desirable in and of itself. But shrugging your shoulders and chalking up that play to "it's football" is silly.
     
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  20. brandon27

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    Wow. Not surprised though. To think, some here actually thought he may be ok because he didnt look in pain :lol:

    Such a shame, such a big loss for us.
     
  21. vizi0n

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    I said that mostly out of hope for the guys well being.....

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  22. finyank13

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    That's what you call a hum dinger of an injury.....poor bastard.....
     
  23. Boik14

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    And thats fine and dandy but its still a legal hit. Was it necessary, probably not. In a meaningless preseason game would I rather have seen Keller pull up and alligator arm one knowing we'd still have him? Sure. But it was the timing of swearingers hit and the timing of keller stopping to pivot that caused the mess. If Keller doesnt try and avoid the tackle by pivoting then the hit is just a hit and kellers ok. Im not going to condemn a good football play because one of our players got hurt. Its part of the game, it sucks but there isnt poop we can do. Swearinger is correct when he said the emphasis on upper body hits caused him to go low. Whats he supposed to do, not tackle the guy? Pick him up and place him on his back like a little baby and sing him a lullaby?
     
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  24. ToddPhin

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    Swearing is 2 yards away from Keller when he makes the decision to launch himself at the knees of a receiver who's on the threshold of being defenseless. TWO FRIGGIN YARDS. That's more than enough space & time to react properly with a properly friggin' tackle. That's 2 yards of space he easily could've spent running through the receiver while wrapping up and driving him into the ground in the process. He had a beat on the entire play so there's simply no excuse for it. And Swearinger's response to whole thing sounded like he was saying, "I'll teach the NFL for taking away the head shots & targeting opportunities".



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  25. ToddPhin

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    I disagree strongly. He's using it as an excuse to be reckless toward the lower body instead, since he can no longer be reckless toward the head like he was in college.

    right cause that's the only way to tackle a player- drop your head and launch yourself at the knees. "What's he supposed to do?" How about execute a normal tackle like NFL safeties should be capable of against a nearly defenseless player.

    In picture 3 above would you care to show me how that's considered a proper textbook tackle? I don't see any wrapping up, just a shoulder launched low with the head turned away. Where are his arms? And in the 2nd pic above, his head drops immediately after that point so his vision is gone, meaning he's launching himself recklessly yet again at the receiver w/o any concern for their safety. You want to hit the receiver low?...-then keep your eyes up and see what you're hitting so you can put a shoulder into the thighs while wrapping up and lifting/driving backward. There's no excuse for not knowing how to tackle properly in the NFL.
     
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  26. Thunderkyss

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    This is where I'm at. I'm a Texans' fan but I agree with MrClean & Desides. Not that the hit was dirty, it's a good hit..... but not really necessary. This is the preseason & Dj isn't "fighting" for a spot. I know he wants to intimidate, I know he wants to blow people up.... but c'mon man.

    At the same time, we also had a WR called for clipping. I'm sure that guy (Lemon) isn't a dirty player, but he went a too low on a block to the back of a player's legs. At this level, everybody moves faster than what they are used to just 8 months ago.... So while both players wanted to go low, I don't think either intended to go as low as they did, or cause the damage they did (or could have in Lemon's case).
     
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  27. GMJohnson

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    I understand where you're coming from but IMO there's no way to do what Swearinger did intentionally. You can't just decide you're going to go low on a guy's plant leg in the fraction of a second where his body weight is all on that one leg. That hit happens hundreds of times every week and 99 times outta 100 the ball carrier gets upended, goes down and jogs back to the huddle.
     
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  28. vizi0n

    vizi0n Boom.. Club Member

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    As phinsational said... He still could of went low and not hit his knee... Sorry but I call it a little dirty.

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  29. Stitches

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    I think the hit was dirty/wreckless, but I don't think he intentionally tried to hurt Keller.
     
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  30. djphinfan

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    Thanks, GM, the clip also shows that the ball was not gonna be intercepted if accurate.
     
  31. Boik14

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    You can disagree all you want but like GM said theres no way to make that decision in a fraction of a second to say ill go low and blow up the guys knee. That happens in EVERY quart of just about every game. The DB comes in and goes low on a TE cause they know the TE is bigger and they dont feel like messing up their own body trying to arm tackle a te. There were other ways to tackle Keller on the play and he chose a common one within the confines of the rule. So the only problem you have is with the outcome of the play which no one really likes but it doesnt make the hit less legal.

    My sarcasm was not intended at you or others who are on the other side of the fence on this one. Its more directed at teh league because the league makes the defenders job more difficult. There is an injury risk inherent with the game. Its now a defenders job to not only be responsible for doing his job but ensuring the safety of the offensive player which an impossible task. This is a physical game with grown men and stuff like this is always going to happen. If it wasnt this then Swearinger would have gone high and Keller would have a concussion or busted ribs and people would still complain. Preseason or not you cant play football or any kind of sports competitively and play not to get hurt or play at half speed so you dont get hurt. Thats how players get hurt in the first place.

    So yeah, it ruins my weekend too because I was looking forward to finally having Keller on the good guys side for once. But stuff happens and it happened to Keller. Im not happy about it. Im every bit as pissed as you and everyone else. But us being upset about the injury doesnt change things, it doesnt change circumstances and it doesnt change rules.
     
  32. ToddPhin

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    It's not intentional, but it IS a result of being reckless which has been his MO since college..... so in that regard it might as well be intentional b/c he's obviously intentionally chosen to NOT learn how to tackle properly. If I get into ten car accidents in three years and injure five people in the process, the law won't give a sh** if I meant to do it or not. Swearinger not caring about proper tackling technique isn't an excuse for him to play recklessly to where opposing players can needlessly become injured.

    that has nothing to do with Swearinger's play. If he showed that he gave a sh** about proper tackling and has a history of proper tackling then I'd probably dismiss it as a simple tragic play, however the guy spends more time launching at players in reckless abandon than he does actually trying to tackle them properly.
     
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  33. Alex44

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    Exactly.

    He didn't mean to injure him but at the same time he could have easily driven his shoulder into the waist of Keller and still nailed him pretty hard with momentum on his side.
     
  34. MrClean

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    Do they have the same emphasis on college about avoiding the head? What was his excuse at SC for doing the same sort of sloppy tackling for past 4 years? This type of play is his MO. Don't wrap up face up tackle. Launch yourself at the knee area. Someone gets hurt, then oh well.
     
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  35. Boik14

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    But according to the way the NFL wants things done, thats an ok tackle so your comparison with car accidents holds no water because if you get in that many car accidents your license and insurance are probably revoked by then. Additionally, what Swearinger did is within the confines of the rules. He didnt break and rules other then some form of preseason etiquette maybe. But you know what? From his perspective, no one is going to want to target receivers in his area lest they end up like Keller and thats how players and coaches will view this. Ask the new england cheatriots if they want Bernard Pollard near any of their players. Ridley, Gronk, Welker, Hernandez and at least 1 other all sustained serious injuries from his hits. The Brady hit was actually very similar to the Kelelr one. Pollard came in on Brady's plant leg and as Brady planted to throw his season was ended. Keller planted to turn upfield and his season was ended. Timing is everything.
     
  36. Alex44

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    Not being against the rules doesn't make it okay. Slavery didn't used to be against the rules either....doesn't mean it was okay.
     
  37. Boik14

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    They dont have the same policies regarding head injuries in the NCAA. The past 3 years Swearinger was at SC, yea he messed up a few players and he helped his team win plenty of games. He was never reprimanded for his style of play. Hes an aggressive player and last I checked thats not against the rules.

    If it were Rob Gronkowski or Santonio Holmes it would be a good play? When it was Tom Brady was it a good play?
     
  38. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    *reckless

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  39. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    No.
     
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  40. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    Could have been avoided. I agree..
    These guys know how to tackle. We all watched it and it should have been a catch with minimum yards gained.
    He launched his head right at the knees. There was more than enough time to make an NFL(decision) tackle.
     

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