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Omar Kelly: Dolphins offense is a mess

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. Fin D

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    You don't see that at all. All you see is the crying from people like Omar and it confirms your already held negative bias.

    There is tangible evidence Martin isn't sucking quite as bad as you obviously hoped he would. In fact he's been pretty good actually.

    The two ways of seeing things are the right way and your emotionally guided incorrect way. The right way, is to see we have improved the team on the oline, WR, secondary & dline, with either potential improvement or decline at LB, RB & QB. That is level headed and based in fact. This rhetoric devoid of facts, you have been spouting, is the wrong way.
     
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  2. 72 Dolphins

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    Ok - I appreciate your opinion.

    The bottom line is simply this: Martin is not strong enough to play left tackle - He gets no push on running plays - he will need help with a TE or RB on passing plays against good ends and this line will rank near the bottom of the NFL in sacks allowed.

    As much as I don't want this to be true - how can it be ignored.

    I didn't want Lane Johnson just to pinch on Ireland, I wanted him because WE NEEDED HIM. Martin was an average Right Tackle - I dread him at Left Tackle.

    If we want Ryan Tannehill to develop into a solid NFL QB, then we did him a disservice this off-season by not addressing Left Tackle. You may believe that Ireland believed Martin was the answer all along, as he said.... but listen man, if Ireland believed that, we wouldn't have been hunting Brandon Albert, Bryant McKinnie, or offering up a low-ball number to Jake Long.

    What that man says and what he tries to do, to often tell two different stories. Ok, here we are in August and whats Ireland suppossed to say now... I blew it and now we have to live with Jmart?? He said what he had to say, Jmart was the answer all along. He's not. :no:
     
  3. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    I know Clabo made the Pro Bowl back in 2010 but let's not think he is still in his prime. I would say average is a fair term at this point.

    And I say this as a person who isn't overly concerned about the offensive line.
     
  4. Coral Reefer

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    This!
    I won't click an article of his for nothing anymore.

    We should designate someone to read the articles of all the idiot sports writers the board as a vast majority thinks sucks and have that one person summarize the articles.
    That way we take a couple hundred clicks away from every article posted by them. Honestly it's a big way they are graded.

    As far as the assessment.
    There are holes and I do not at all think this will be a top offense.
    That said, the starting unit has shown flashes of being able to be at least middle of the road and be competitive.
    Big difference to being " a mess".
     
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  5. Fin D

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    The simple fact of the matter is that during the off season, Martin was ALWAYS going to be one of the tackles. The flirtations with Long & Albert et all, was always with the notion that Martin would play the other tackle. None of those players turned us down, we chose not to pay what they wanted. Why? Because their cost vs value was not equitable, because we had Martin.

    Again, Martin was going to be one of the tackles regardless. We only really tried for 2 LTs, Long & Albert (McKinnie wasn't a serious inquire). Albert was one of the best tackles period last year. Wanting him doesn't mean Martin sucks. That's like saying Denver drafting Osweiler meant they thought Manning sucks.

    You have to look at the tackle spots as a unit. The thought process was:

    (Long & Martin) > (Martin & Clabo) > (Albert & Martin + loss of 2nd rd pick) > (Martin & Winston) > (McKinnie & Martin)

    Take away the pick cost and it would have been:
    (Long & Martin) > (Albert & Martin) > (Martin & Clabo) > (Martin & Winston) > (McKinnie & Martin)

    But that just shows those first 3 options aren't all that far apart.
     
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  6. Fin D

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    Right, but the point being he isn't trash.
     
  7. 72 Dolphins

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    I agree with you. If things worked out like Ireland wanted, Martin would have been at RT anyhow.

    But Martin is at LT and now we need two Tackles instead of one.

    Attleast in terms of being an ELITE NFL team and competing for championships.

    Not to say Martin can't get stronger in the next couple of years and become a solid RT for us either...I think it's possible. He needs to get stronger.
     
  8. GridIronKing34

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    Honestly our biggest problem will be RG if Jerry cannot get healthy. I'd like to see Louis take the job but coming off a major injury that seems too hopeful.
     
  9. ckparrothead

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    He's just outlining the challenges facing the offense and then giving it a controversial article title.

    To me yeah the offense has some issues.

    1. You've got virtually no experience at tight end.
    2. You've got a left tackle I don't have any faith in.
    3. You've got a very murky right guard situation.
    4. Your primary RB everyone was hoping would be a 1200-1500 yard guy can't even put Daniel Thomas fully in his rearview mirror.

    There are issues. I think most offenses have some issues but many of them have elements of strength that overwhelm and outweigh the issues. I guess the question is, do the Dolphins have that somewhere else on the offense? They're hoping Ryan Tannehill is that factor. We just have to see if he becomes that.
     
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  10. Ronnie Bass

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    That's pretty much how I see it, if Tannehill plays well the shortcomings on offensive won't be so glaring, but if he is one of the problems on offense then the other weaknesses you listed will be magnified.
     
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  11. Fin D

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    You do not agree with me. We do not need two starting tackles. We have 2 starting tackles. We are deficient at RG.
     
  12. ckparrothead

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    Problem for me is, I think Tannehill could play well and the offense still just be kind of mediocre. If the offensive line can't protect him and the ground game is just kind of "there" but not necessarily the type that can take over games, I could see that happening.
     
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  13. PhiNomina

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    It terrifies me that there is a decent chance Tannehill shows flashes but the o-line and RB situation make the offense inconsistent or below average. Then we'll be stuck going into next season still unsure of what we have in Tannehill and forced to give him another year.

    As much as I'm excited for the upgrades on defense - part of me wonders if teams should go all out to improve the offense around a young QB so they can have a definitive answer on if that guy is the answer or not.
     
  14. vt_dolfan

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    I just think...its too early to give any kinds of "labels" to our offense. I think we have the potential to be an offense somewhere in the upper third of the league. With our defense...I think an offense like that is good enough to get us into the playoffs. The biggest thing..is I think there is reason for optimism, and right now RIGHT NOW...that's all Im looking for. I see weapons on our offense. We dont really know...what we have at our TE position, which is much better then...knowing we dont have a seam threat at all. We could very well have a 1200- yd plus RB on our team....but we dont know. Thats light years better then alot of years, especially the Marino years where we had guys like Mark Higgs or Irving Spikes...hell I remember when we had Bernie Parmalee starting.

    The best thing...is we have a fairly good idea we have a playoff caliber defense, potentially even better. We have some very good youth...and I love our coaching staff.

    I think people need to just take a deep breath..and let it play out.
     
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  15. vt_dolfan

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    "Problem for me is, I think Tannehill could play well and the offense still just be kind of mediocre. If the offensive line can't protect him and the ground game is just kind of "there" but not necessarily the type that can take over games, I could see that happening. "" CK



    Ok....

    But...now tell us...what you could see happening on the glass half full side of things...
     
  16. Larryfinfan

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    I hate to say this, because I don't completely disagree with you, but do you realize how many times in a game that Long got help?? It was a lot. That's not necessarily a knock on the LT if he has a RB or Hback or TE that chips on his side. You have to put that into perspective when evaluating Martin...he's not getting much different help than any LT would get... You just can't hold that against him at this point. Long was a great LT at one time, but he certainly was as human as any LT and needed those chip blocks at times...
     
  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I don't see it. I think there is very little chance if Tannehill plays well that the offensive will be below average. Unless there is some serious injuries at wide receiver.
     
  18. invid

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    Worst in the league? C'mon man, did you not watch the Redskins - Steelers the other night? Or were you just paying attention to Jarvis Jones so you could mention him ad infinitum when you came back to these boards?
     
  19. Finrunner

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    When the preseason started, I had concern with Jonathan Martin, too, based on his play last year and then based on reports coming out of training camp. However, with each passing game, and lately the practice reports haven't been that bad, either, my faith is growing, at first with baby steps and now a little more.

    Personally, I didn't have as much angst as a lot of folks seemed to last year about Ryan Tannehill. I thought he basically played pretty well considering all the circumstance. Sure, there were the "what the heck?" moments, like in the Texans game and Tennessee game, but there was also flashes of brilliance with a sub-par supporting cast. Nothing I've seen so far this preseason has me thinking the arrow is on any trend other than up.

    FinD made a good point that Martin(sophomore)+Clabo > Long+Martin(rookie). Our line should be as good and most likely better than last year when the dust settles.

    The TEs are inexperienced, and losing Keller was a blow, but from a receiving standpoint... not much different than last year when we had Fasano/Clay/Mastrud/Miller/etc.

    I see the offense as better, especially with the Mike Wallace signing. And while I was ambivalent on the Gibson signing at first, I'm coming around. I think he'll be a better all-around WR than Bess, who was a slot-only guy. To say it's a mess, well, that's just hyperbole begging for hits.

    Also:

    Our defensive backfield looks to be shored up a bit after giving up lots of yards last year. And the pass rush should help with Odrick moving inside to his more natural position and getting Dion Jordan along with better pass-rushing LBs.

    So really, I think we're better all around, but especially on offense. Not to say there aren't problems... I'm not an ostrich with my head in the sand.
     
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  20. PhiNomina

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    If Wallace were to go down we'd have last year's offense minus Bush, Fasano, Bess and Long. That'd be scary.
     
  21. FanMarino

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    From a Dolphin journalist I would say Omar Kelly is a mess.
     
  22. Fin D

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    Long was not very good last year.

    The replacements for Bush and Fasano could be worse or better. We don't know yet.

    Gibson is better than Bess.
     
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  23. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Yes, if Miami's #1 receiver goes down, that would be scary
     
  24. ckparrothead

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    Which can be said of any team. Which I'm sure is your point.
     
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  25. FanMarino

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    If my Aunty had b*lls she would be my Uncle. Come on! Sigh.
     
  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    You are correct sir!
     
  27. Aquafin

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    well then how does this clown Omar still have a job ? most cites the media cant get away with dogging a player the way Omar does. I do think we could be a mess though
     
  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    People like to get mad.
     
  29. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    I didn't want to start a new thread about this but I have my doubts about a few things as well. They lie mainly in the offense but our secondary and lack of overall depth concerns me.
    Is Mike Wallace going to be as good as he was in Pittsburgh? Or did Roethlisberger make him look good? He has speed and there is no denying that, but I have the fear of him possibly busting.
    Another concern...Why hasn't Lamar Miller put his stamp on featured back status??? We know Daniel Thomas is not the answer. Miller should of ran away with the job a long time ago.
    Our O line is very questionable in my opinion as well. Keller getting injured has really given me doubt and it feels like disaster brewing for us. Please tell me Pat Revlon won't be starting by week 12 as this team limps to a six win season. I am sorry, I don't mean to be a downer but for once.....I am with Blowmar on this.
     
  30. Finrunner

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    Personally, I'm glad you didn't start a new thread.

    There are a lot of answers/rebuttals to your concerns in this thread already and plenty of other ones.
     
  31. Fin D

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    You're worried about the secondary? Between Jones, Grimes and Clemons we have one of the better secondaries in the league, plus we have 2 rookies one who was highly rated the other who has caught numerous INTs already. I'd think after our dline, the secondary should causing the least amount of concern.
     
  32. arsenal

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    For those saying our schedule is twice as hard as last year, lets look.

    Last year besides 6 division games, which are the same (and you could say Jets are worse than last year, Bills may be too on offense. Plus Pats are still good obviously, but weakened.) We played:
    Texans 12-4
    Raiders 4-12
    Cardinals (during 4 game win streak when playing well) 5-11
    Bengals 10-6
    Rams 7-8-1
    Colts 11-5
    Titans 6-10
    Seahawks 11-5
    49ers 11-4-1
    Jaguars 2-14

    5 playoff teams.

    This year we have
    Browns
    Colts (maybe playoffs)
    Falcons (playoffs)
    Saints (maybe playoffs)
    Bengals (playoffs)
    Bucs
    Chargers
    Panthers
    Steelers (maybe playoffs)

    Is this year harder, probably, but not by much, and its not like last year was a cake walk.
     
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  33. djphinfan

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    I think the concern or perception lyes that with the cutting of players before the season starts, how are we gonna add depth, how are we layering our team..if we make mistakes thru free agency, and replace them with draft picks that may or may not be successful, are we getting ahead.?

    You've got to put the Marshall signing in the neg column no?
     
  34. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    I'm glad that you are glad that I didn't start a new thread... Really man, I'm not dumb, I realize the annoyance of starting New topics about topics that have already been discussed. I was simply stating my concerns and I have read through the entire thread.....But I still have those concerns.
     
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  35. Fin D

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    I didn't really understand what you're trying to say.

    If the concern is about depth, fine I guess, but who feels comfortable with any depth at any position on any team? Our starters in the secondary range from amazing to average. That is nothing to worry about.

    Frankly, I'm losing my respect for the fanbase as whole again. The only bad thing that's happened this off season is Keller. That's it. There's no reason for the high we felt before camp to have dissipated.
     
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  36. PhinsRock

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    Same here, first thing I thought when I opened the thread.
     
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  37. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    I hope you're right. I was certainly excited about Taylor, Davis, and Crimes but I have gotten nothing but mixed reviews on Davis (who I think will be good), and Taylor for the most part has been a no show...along with Jordan. Sorry man, but I'm done being patient. Anything short of a big improvement over last season just isn't gonna get it for me. It just seems like we are still dealing with the same issues from previous years. I'll hold judgement until the real season kicks off.
    Tannehill has a lot to riding on him as well, and I won't go there just yet because it's such a sensitive subject regarding him potentially failing. I want to believe in him but he needs to show me more and he hasn't done that yet.
     
  38. Fin D

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    Nothing bad has happened other than Keller. There is no reason to be panicky or down in the dumps. You have to be patient, because the season doesn't start for a month.
     
  39. mcdave21

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    I think you missed the Ravens for this yr....fwiw
     
  40. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    There is nothing wrong with staying optimistic about things, but to hold reservations about what really is sets you up for failure. The high was created with all these signings, but it still takes a team to win. How many times have we seen teams in both football and basketball spend money only to have things go completely off the charts?
    I'm not saying things won't work out for us, but you,I, we need to ready to take that hard *** hit if it doesn't.
     

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