Jordan says "wouldn't be a surprise" if he's not ready for opener

Disappointed, sure, angry no, and the rhetoric that " we shouldn't of drafted him" because he's not quite 100 %, yeah, well, lets just say I think their not thinking clearly..whatever though, that's their opinion and their entitled to it..I'm just not gonna let something like an extended rehab discourage me from the big picture of his talent.

 

I guess Ireland will want a bye on the 2013 draft because he will state that you can't judge the draft until Jordan and Taylor are healthy enough to show if they can contribute.

My problem with Ireland and his first two draft picks this year is, why did he select players who were coming off injuries to begin with? It appears now that neither Jordan or Taylor will have any type of impact in 2013. The person to blame for this is the GM who selected both these player as the 1st and 2nd round picks this past draft.

 

Where the hell are you getting your info from?

 

Why his crystal ball made entirely out of concentrated hate of Jeff Ireland of course.

And on another note, can we stop all this bull**** about us losing to Cleveland?

 

That doesn't mean Moffitt was going to start. Or even make the roster. I believe the player they tried to trade for Moffitt (Brian Sanford) was a borderline roster guy. I believe Jason Pinkston is expected to be ready for the Week 1 opener.

 

I understand the call not to worry about stuff but I think it's going overboard. It's not being done in moderation. Losing your #3 overall pick for a game is a factor. You can't just dismiss it and say oh well if we're losing because of a rookie then we've got bigger problems, etc. Would the Chiefs feel the impact if they lost Eric Fisher? Would the Jaguars feel the impact if they lost Luke Joeckel? Of course they would. They're not anxious to lose their guys.

As for why it could matter in this particular game against the Browns, to me the answer is relatively simple. Weeden is a gifted thrower of the football but his one weakness (which is more a weakness for him than other gifted throwers of the football hence I call it a weakness) is how he handles pressure when it does come. With a quarterback that has that kind of strength/weakness profile, you could indeed get a pretty wide variance in performance out of him based on the performance of a pass rusher or two. Dion Jordan is the #3 overall pick and he's supposed to give us what Aldon Smith gave the 49ers in 2011 as a rookie. I don't think losing that is just some "ain't no thang" non-event. Seems kind of ridiculous to paint it that way.

No I'm not saying the Dolphins should have picked a different guy because of the injury. I'm saying this stuff about him potentially not being ready to go for the opener is a negative development. Because it is.

 

I won't be surprised if he's not ready. Frankly I thought the shoulder surgery would affect him even more than it has. I thought it would prevent him from gaining weight (good weight/strength) until next offseason and 2013 would be lackluster from an expectations standpoint. The fact that he got to 260 and participated in full contact practices was quite a pleasant surprise for this fan.

But now he's suffered a setback and that seems to confirm he rushed himself back a bit early, which is understandable. Really hope he can make it back for Week 1 tho. I saw Weeden stand back there and rip apart the Lions last week. Really tore them up, and it was impressive to watch him throw. Like CK says, we'll need to make him uncomfortable back there or it might be a long day.

On a positive note, Randy Starks -- another guy who's adept at disrupting the pocket -- is finally back in action. I'm frothing at the mouth to see what kind of havoc a Wake-Starks-Odrick-Jordan line can cause. Hell even with Vernon inside.

 

because he changed his mindset to picking difference makers

 

Do we know what this "setback" is? Like what exactly constitutes a setback from a surgery like this and how serious is it?

 

So...what are we supposed to do? ***** and moan about it? Pray? Reverse voodoo? Donate money to charity? Buy his jersey and hold a seance?

If he can't go, he can't go. I doubt Cameron Wake gives a ****. Starks appears ready to roll. Odrick got some ability inside. Vernons not inept. Wheeler and Ellerbe should provide some fire.

You've seen Weeden perform well in preseason where defenses aren't being overly aggressive (which, as you said, fits him perfectly). Our secondary should be vastly improved over a year ago. They're without Josh Gordon. Trent Richardsons 3.6 ypc doesn't scare me. I understand respecting the browns but please stop saying we need to be afraid of them.

 

Never doubt the power of hate.

 

You actually think the secondary has improved? I see one great player and Swiss cheese behind him.

 

brent grimes is swiss cheese? Or is Reshad Jones swiss cheese? Either way, no.

Taylor and Davis are upgrades over stanford and wilson (how can they NOT be). Clemons patterson aren't terrible. Not all star but not terrible.

 

What?

 

Top safety tandem is swiss cheese now.

 

Uhh no. Do I really need to point out how superficial it is to judge a draft based on its rookie year performance? It gets a bye no matter what until it has a few years under its belt.

There's no guarantee that a player who is healthy during the draft will be healthy come week 1 so I'm not sure why you're trying to insinuate the NFL is an injury free profession where dinged up players with non career threatening injuries should be avoided on draft day.

BTW, the draft is used to build for the future, so a temporary injury recovery isn't a reason to pass on two potential impact players who over the long haul could be in the best interest for the defense/team. There's no "blame" to be thrown around for anything at the moment. If Jordan & Taylor become top players at their respective positions then your premature ejaculate of a post will look quite ridiculous in hindsight. It honestly sounds like you're just digging for an excuse to chastise Ireland.

 

Everyone's missing the forrest for the trees IMO. I can't wait to get to work tomorrow, "Bosses, I wouldn't be surprised if I miss on Monday. I know my own body." If Jordan is not being instructed to blatantly insinuate his questionable status, why is he giving answers like these?

And whats with the "its stupid to worry about it right now" philosophy? Seriously? Some of you homers go way too far to be positive. Im positive yall gone and lost yo damn mind.

"Yo Drowning! That pretty, new car you just bought? You might not be able to drive it for a week. Maybe two. Hey, we're the mechanics. We know your car's body."

"Gee willickers, fellas. I'm not worried. It's only a brand new, expensive toy that can drastically help me move forward. But i don't work on mights. I'm gee golly positive. I'll worry the day you tell me with certainty."

And i've let my seatbelt bother me all of these years. I'm such a shmuck- all of these years of worry. Guess who's going comfy to work tomorrow? (Two thumbs up) This guy.

 

I'm a little worried, but not to the point where I would redraft and do things differently..but you never know, maybe the folks at Oregon did not do a good job on his shoulder, maybe if he could of rehabbed with us things would of been different, it's just to early to tell or to criticize with such conviction no?

 

“Sell the house. Sell the car. Sell the kids. Find someone else. Forget it. I’m never coming back. Forget it.”

- Apocalypse Now

 

Definitely early for conviction- forrest for the trees IMO.

I am more perturbed about him giving any information out on the subject on top of said information being negative. My instinctual reaction to reading this thread was, "these are not the words of a winner."

Mind you, just a reaction but thats what hit me first followed by the why is he even answering this question bit.

 

His own words..

Idk, I think it means he wants to go, but he's just not 100 percent..he seems frustrated with his body..

I don't know what you mean when you say your frustrated with him, what did he say that bothers you?

 

Deej..should have went with the 959 over the A8.

 

Whatta you mean?

 

959 would spend more time on the track.

 

What's more ridiculous in this thread??

-See it was a bad pick, we could've drafted.....
-now Brandon Weeden and his new found time in the pocket are gonna pick us apart.
-Our secondary outside of Grimes sucks.

This is a very tight race IMO, lotsa BS floating around. Could go either way.

 

but the A8 has a bigger trunk.... and we all know how much Deej loves a big trunk.

 

Don't underestimate vernon.I think he is going to have a really good year and this defence will be very good if not dominant!
This season is all about tannehill and not a rookie de/lb.

 

The way I view it, you're on an upward trajectory toward recovery. And then you suffer an injury to that area causing you miss two weeks of practice.

I don't think he'll miss the season or anything. But I remember when he was drafted, the word was his recovery should stretch into training camp. So we're not in unexpected territory. I think he and perhaps the team got antsy and came back before he really should have. Again, understandable.

If we don't get a rush on Weeden, there won't be much arrogance around here. Only disappointment. Deny it if we want to, but that guy can flat out sling it.

 

Thing is, we have a good passrush w/o Dion Jordan, keep in mind Vernon and Shelby have continued to develop and we did add Wheeler and Ellerbe.

 

It could happen. They've improved too.

 

You're being irrational. Nobody said you needed to do any of those things. We're discussing football on a football message board. Some people were trying to imply that the possibility of Dion Jordan being out for the Cleveland game doesn't affect anything. I don't think that's correct and I said so. If you're angry about that for whatever reason, that's on you.

 

Man Brandon Weeden don't strike no fear in my heart! LACEM UP!!!! Wake, Vernon and Shad gone eat that boy up! Not concerned about Dion. Can't miss what ya never had!!!!! *boos for no reason*

 

Since when do we have a top safety tandem? One guy is good and the other one is a stiff.

 

Clemons and Patterson suck.

 

I took it as he knows his body and nothing about his body would be a surprise to him, not a timetable for when he'll return. Talking about that would get him fined, BTW.

 

Weeden was a 1st rounder for a reason and would've been a top 5 pick if he weren't 37. Just b/c he had a lackluster rookie year it doesn't mean he wont reach his 1st round potential, and if he does end up playing like the guy he was drafted to become then you won't be so quick to exclaim he's unworthy of striking fear in your heart.