If this "bubble guy" gets released, I'm gonna be pissed!

Am I missing something? Why in the world would Devlin be cut?

 

To make room for someone else at another position. That's a big part of why many teams only carry two QBs.

 

I thought last night was a revelation with respect to the quarterback and running back positions.

Pat Devlin came back out onto the field after Aaron Corp injured his shoulder and he threw that touchdown pass, saving what was otherwise going to be a poor performance. As I was watching him play, and watching Ryan Griffin play, I could not help but wonder what it is we're really fighting for with Devlin. Is he really going to be anything we can trust on the football field? He does the same stuff he did in college, opting for short, dinky passes while deeper passes are wide open for him. He still hasn't improved his pocket management that much. He still doesn't show trust in his own arm or throwing ability. I thought Ryan Griffin was outperforming him.

Meanwhile I watch Mike Gillislee run and while there aren't wide open spaces, there was DEFINITELY more to be had out there than he was getting. He wasn't making people miss. He wasn't breaking tackles. He wasn't finding the hole. Same was mostly true with Jonas Gray although with him the blocking was obscenely bad. You watch these two and then you watch the other side where Khiry Robinson is making our defenders look like fools with missed tackle after missed tackle. He didn't have a ton of room opened up for him by his offensive line. He made those plays happen with his ability. So what are we getting all wound up for about Jonas Gray and Mike Gillislee? I'd take Khiry Robinson over either one of them and not think twice about it. And I am sure there are others that will be put up on waivers.

 

Do they? I thought most still carried 3 QB's, especially since they changed that rule about the "emergency QB" on gamedays.

 

Hmm...yeah I don't think he's all world or anything...but it's not like he costs much, he knows the system, and if god forbid Tanny and Moore get creamed at some point. I don't think he'd completely piss down his leg if he had to step in.

 

That's the key with those types of guys. It's not so much about what they can give you now, but whether you think they have something that can/will develop.

 

Devlin went to UD.

Gotta say that area can make or break you. Grew up toward that area.

On the surface it's a nice college town, but at night the parties are wild and there's a ton of stuff happening up that way..

TL;DR he's tough

 

Crazy thought: Rodriquez gets cut, we don't carry a FB.
That spot goes to keep Bumphis or Tyms on the roster.

 

Not so crazy to me.

 

The Gator Gillislee is "in" book that. He clearly has surged ahead of Gray and returning kick-offs seals it.

 

The problem with keeping three QB's this season, is there are some WR's and DL's they would like to keep. So guys like Thigpen - Rodriquez - Devlin ... I can see them chopping someone they feel they can really make it thru the season without.

That bodes bad for Devlin - Since he was inactive every game last season. There is also indication they are flirting with chopping Thigpen as Gillislee - Bumphis returning kick offs and punts. I don't see them cutting Rodriquez because you really do need some big bodies for short yardage and goal line offenses. My guess is Devlin or Thigpen are out and possibly both.

Also, if your a backup offensive lineman on this team, you may survive the cuts but not the waiver wire.

And why are some of you talking Matthews - He isnt even on the bubble. He is a lock.

And damn - Sims has some soft hands for a guy that big...he is your starting tight end before the season ends.

 

Isn't that like saying the girl you about to have a blind date with has a great personality and sturdy shoulders?

 

Dion Sims is not a bubble guy.

 

I can't say I payed a ton of attention last night as I was falling asleep through much of the game. (I watched it later on preseason live). But I thought that FB run where he got stuffed at the goal line was damning. There was an obvious hole to the right. That's the kind of play an athletic fullback should see and take advantage of. Flashes that indicated to me that Rodriquez had that kind of ability are the reason i would keep him on the roster. If he doesn't have that kind of ability then I would prefer to use Clay or Sims or somebody else in that spot. Obviously you don't base your whole assessment on one play, but that one would be a big negative in my mind. (Yes Samuda got pushed back a little on that play, but not so much that an athletic FB shouldn't have still been able to make the play).

 

They don't have anyone on roster than can trust on short yardage.

Except for Jonas Gray, and I think most consider him about to be cut.

 

There really isn't any ONE guy that I'm overly attached to, but I'd like to see Yeatman make it...but I don't have any strong attachments towards too much of any of the guys on the bubble...

 

I’d like to see Devlin make the 53 and I think he will. If he’s cut with the intention of signing him to the PS he will be scooped up by the enemy. Philbin said last night that Devlin has an “excellent mastery of the system”. I’m sure a few teams would pay some coin for his knowledge. Would other teams do the same for our other position players? The coaching staff needs to consider which of these bubble players would be most at risk on the PS. I think a smart QB would be highly at risk on the PS. But that is not and should not be the sole reason he’s kept on the team. A more important reason is we are building a solid franchise and Devlin, by many accounts, seems to be a quality player that adds stability to the team and QB room.

The way I see this playing out is Devlin makes the team this year as QB3 and is inactive for all games barring injuries. Next year he competes for and wins the QB2 job and signs a less expensive contract than Matt Moore with no drop off in quality of play. Win win. Solid QB depth is a nice problem to have this year.

 

How do you not understand what I'm saying?

 

My thoughts exactly.

The only thing I could say for the OL -- Garner and Thomas might offer better returns inside.

All three of those WRs have made a case. Tough cut.

 

Of the three the guy I'm most comfortable cutting would be McNutt...even though I liked him a lot coming out. He's still got inconsistent hands, questionable instincts, and unlike Tyms who has some of the same things going for him, he doesn't have that incredible athletic ability.

Garner and Thomas always should have been on the inside. They're only being used on the outside because the Dolphins have poor depth there. Will Yeatman and Jeff Adams aren't really roster-worthy IMO.

 

I agree on McNutt. How often do guys with shoddy hands shake that? I have a hard time trusting those guys. And that lackadaisical one-handed attempt last night wasn't what you expect out of a guy fighting for the last spot on the roster.

Not sure what to make of Bumphis seemingly on returns-only of late. I don't think he's shown to be a great option back there either. Drops and instincts.

I like Tyms physically. He's the guy I'd probably take, though Bumphis would seem to offer something a bit different from the other guys on the roster.

 

The problem with Chad Bumphis is they like their slot receivers to be able to challenge the defense in areas where a guy like Chad Bumphis (who is more in the mold of a Davone Bess) is not going to generally be as successful or dangerous because of size limitations. On the other hand, they have bigger guys like Brandon Gibson and Marvin McNutt who can present the kind of larger target they want on those routes and in those areas of the field, but as the slot receiver half their job is still going to be the kind of work they kind of suck at and that guys like Davone Bess/Chad Bumphis do a lot better.

It's a conundrum. I guess you're left wondering whether you can take one of the two-tool players and develop a third tool.

 

From what I saw last night I don't see how anyone considers Simms as a bubble guy, IMO he is our #2 TE behind Clay and frankly I think he's better than Clay.

At WR Matthews, McNutt are our 4 & 5 WRs IMO then it's a toss up with Tymms, Bumphis or Davis but I would give the nod to Bumphis ATM which is academic if we only decide to keep 5 WRs.

 

Of the 'bubble' receivers, and i don't count Matthews among them i like Tyms the most, he's got a lot to work with physically and seems to be progressing learning how to be a receiver. His hands, breaks and route running all seem to be improving and if he can put it all together with his frame and speed he should give you a nice option who has the potential to be higher on the depth chart in the future. McNutt was my favorite to be 6 but his drops worry me as their frequently good throws that he loses due to lack of concentration of seeming laziness.

On the running backs i think they probably bring someone in, Gillislee doesn't offer a lot and has no special ability as to why you'd keep him, Gray is a short yardage guy only and Thomas isn't good enough at 2 to make the 3 basically irrelevant.

 

Deej is Lord of the Bubble

Eh, like Yeatman, dislike Bumphis and Gillisellelelelelellelelele, not wild about Gray either

Also think RG is a mess, even now, JJerry was not very good last yr, a dinged Jerry won't be much better but we have no one but Garner to step in for him.

Think McNutt has shown the most of the Wr's, for those who worry about his hands, GB made due with a guy with shakey hands.

Think Matthews has not a whole lot going for him, he is more of a default option, also think the Staff just does not like Thigpen and tried their level best to replace him and no one stepped up to replace him, which makes it a bad situation.

 

I said the same thing in the game thread last night regarding the RBs. Neither Gray or Gillislee have shown much this preseason that would lead me to believe they're more than average.

Francis I'd be upset with because I think he's worth trying to develop. I'm also rooting for Tyms because it's a nice story and because outside of Wallace, we could use a bit more speed.

 

Thats a big problem with finding a good RB Drafted in later rounds. He's on a hiding to nothing when he's expected to run behind a scratch O-Line. It's not fair on the RB who is expected to pull out a rabbit from the preverbial hat. It might be ok if the RB was a scat back or speed big play maker but when Gillislee is a pound it out RB then its asking alot imo for him to even find a hole let alone a lane to get yds. Its harsh and Gillislee must be frustrated.
On the flip side. Where has Jelani Jenkins been? Not heard squat regarding him making an impact. Is he ST's for now?

 

Explain it. Why would we keep three? The Patriots won't. The Colts didn't when Manning was in Indy. What good does three do you?

 

People are getting annoyed because in a "bubble thread" I want to keep two QBs and not three? Really? That's rich.

 

Have you seen Devlin play? There is no chance anyone picks him up.

Besides, who cares? If he gets picked up, sign another loser off the street. If Devlin has to play, we are going to suck anyway. It doesnt matter who is the third QB in this case.

 

Ok. Big deal. We go with two, sign a QB to the PS, and if our starter goes down, bring him up the next week. No need to waste a roster spot on a player that has no future.

 

Something I've been wanting to say for a long time in this forum...."You are a smart fan".