Dolphins Are Planning to Use Tannehill in Read Option

In my opinion...its gonna be just another weapon in the arsenal. I mean...we know he can run the Pistol. But...we also know can be a very good pocket passer. I really do think...after all is said and done....he will look very much like Aaron Rogers...and will be used in mutiple fashions

 

BUMP... After a long day of watching college football, I ended up watching Tannehill on youtube. Specifically college highlights. Two things stuck out to me.

1. Tannehill is deceptively mobile. It's not like I didn't know that already, but the highlight reel featured a ton of Tannehill on the move, buying time, rolling out, or rushing.
2. Tannehill is dangerous throwing on the move. Again, I knew that from last year. But the highlight reel featured a ton of Tannehill on the move and throwing.

Then I went and watched RGIII highlights. There's not a single good reason Tannehill can't run the pistol offense. Maybe even better than RGIII. While RGIII possess being running skill, Tannehill posses more impressive throws on the run.

And there isn't a single good reason he shouldn't run the pistol. And I mean frequently. I hope Mike Sherman and Philbin were paying attention to RGIII and the Redskins, who went to the playoffs despite being worse than us in 2011.

 

I think we will considering we didn't run one single play of it in preseason...bubble stuff right there..

This is why I have a bit of confidence even though we didnt look in rhythm during the preseason..I think Sherm has some things up his sleeve...we used no misdirection, no rollouts, and no read option in five games, I'm excited as hell to see this formation as part of Ryan's skillset and our offense, if you have a Qb that can run it, then I believe in what the formation accomplishes..

 

Maybe they want Tannehill to develop faster as a QB by not having him resort to running on downs where he could be going through progressions. Also... the knee thing with RGIII.

I like the idea of limited read-option looks with Tanny.

 

I think it's ridiculous for several reasons.

1. Tannehill has a potential 10+ year career to develop as a QB. He'll either get it or he won't. Forcing him to play from the pocket alone isn't going to to determine long term success or failure. I see why they limited him in the pocket as a rookie, but it's time to unleash the other skill set he possess. Tannehill played his best last year when he forced defenses to defend him as a runner. Not to mention, success = confidence. With that thought, perhaps it's more important to expand his horizon.

2. The QB position is no longer constrained to the pocket. The days of the pocket passer being the one and only game in town is finished. Cam Newton, RGIII, Ckap, and Russell Wilson, are trailblazing. Tannehill is more than capable of doing similar things. And it's not as if it's one or the other. He can throw from the pocket and run read option.

3. You're not maximizing the QB's skill set. Why draft Vick/Newton/Ckap/RGIII/Russell Wilson if you want them to be Tom Brady or Peyton Manning?


And I don't think RGIII's injury history has anything to do with Tannehill or other rushing QB's. RGIII is absolutely reckless when he runs. It's like he relishes the punishment. Russell Wilson on the hand is a capable runner himself and always put himself in a position to succeed with his feet while purposefully avoiding punishment. Not to mention RGIII's knee was trash to begin with. It was basically held together with a paperclip and gum. ACL surgery was destined, whether he stayed in the pocket or otherwise.


I like the idea of RGIII amounts of read option with Tannehill.

 

I said it before, but they never intended Tannehill to start last year. That was specifically why they brought in Garrard, who was good enough to run it for a year but old enough to drop when Ryan was ready (also why they didn't but real effort into Flynn).

But since he did start, he had one advantage rookies don't, he already knew the offense. Most rookies have two major hurdles, the playbook and play speed. The playbook problem is magnified for a rook QB. That's why coaches limit the playbook for their rookie QBs. They didn't have to do that with Tanny, so they limited him to the pocket, to get used to the speed of the game (plus his knee was hurt). It worked.

I truly believe because of the way he was purposely limited by the coaches and by the lack of receivers last year, that he will have a dramatic leap forward this year. Like eye popping dramatic. It will be the polar opposite of a sophomore slump.

 

There could be an article at any news site, stating the Dolphins were going to incorporate the "Fumble Roosky" offense into the scheme this season...

The response from this crowd - "HELL YAH !! WERE GOING UNDEFEATED NOW !!! " AWESOME !! " "Tannehill is going to throw 88 TD's now."

It doesn't matter what they say, you follow along like sheep to the slaughter. Which is what Tannehill will be if they run the read option with this o-line. SLAUGHTER.

Now we are comparing Tannehill to RGIII and Kaepernick??? Really boys - C'mon. A poor mans Kaepernick, how about a broke homeless man lives in a box on the side of I-95 Kaepernick.

 

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

 

Let me add the read option was the new thing last year just like the wildcat in its day.
In 2009 the wildcat was dead it took one year for D's to shut it down, I don't see the option being as effective this season and also CKap may not be as effective when they contain him and has to use the pocket.

 

Maybe we should do what Doug Marrone is going to do in Buffalo, use "Packaged plays"(including one that incorporates the Read -Option)

Its a very interesting concept, who knows if it will take off though.

 

I disagree, if the player has the skillset to run the formation you run the formation based on schematic principles, which would translate to making defenders think and be ready to play all inches of the field before the snap, this hesitation and thinking process can establish a better pocket for your traditional passing attack on the next play, its about going back and forth and hitting a defense from all angles, once they never know what's coming, their toast, TD..

Tannehill will absolutely run the read option this year, because we've seen him do it in college, under this coordinator, and you would have to be crazy not to incorporate it for reasons specified above.. I would estimate 5 to 7 times a game..

You do it because Ryan Tannehill has not shown a high level ability in avoiding a rush, so instead of reactionary athleticism being part of the equation, lets see if he's a little better with his attacking athleticism.

 

Read option is pretty much an established offensive tactic in modern football. Its prevalent at lower levels of football to a degree that should dispel the notion that its just a fad. The Wildcat was never really a common thing in college football. If there will ever be a tactical counter to read option it will be developed at the college level. We haven't really seen it there yet. There's not a reason to believe the NFL will produce it at this point.

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We're not following anyone, were discussing the possibilities of running some read option because of what Tannehill did in college, and was successful doing so..

Do you ave any thoughts about Sherman using Tannehills complete skillset in a pro offense with this formation?

We know he doesn't move like Kap or Wilson..but he is deceptive when moving in a more strait forward fashion.

 

Disagree with this.

Read option is horribly easy to stop and only masks your flaws at the QB position when run as the base offense. RGIII isn't going to see long term success, nor is Kaep. With a full year of film on both guys and an offseason for their division opponents to prepare, I doubt either performs very well.

 

So the guy who had been here less than a month is making a snap judgement on everyone. Makes your post sublimely ironic.

 

If we run the read option a lot this year, we will soon see our back-up QB in the game. It will work amazingly well early on but then at some point a linebacker will take out Thill. There is a reason there are no old running QBs in the league.

 

There's really no evidence that read option puts the QB in any greater danger than passing from the pocket. In fact one could argue that it helps protect the QB. People will cite RG3s injuries, but all of those have come when he was passing from the pocket.

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If it was easy to stop someone would have stopped it at the college level by now. Its a simple numbers game, and the read option just adds a +1 for the offense.

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Defenseless is no way to absorb a hit son.

 

It was the same with Vick as most of his injuries came from hits in the pocket. It's a myth that running puts QBs at greater danger unless you're talking about an option QB. Those guys obviously take a ton more hits and the regular option is easy to defend. The read option is just a numbers game, as you said. If the QB makes the right choice, the D is always wrong. That's the one real advantage that CKap has running the read option. He has run it for about 9 years now. It's second nature to him. RT's experience is is much less. But physically he is very close to CKap's speed. RG3 is faster than any of the QBs and may be the smartest, but for some reason he takes a ton of unnecessary hits (in and out of the pocket).

 

Ya when I watch RG3 he reminds me of AP in that he's not smart about how he takes hits. He'll rip off a 30 yard run then fight to stay up for another yard or two max and take a pointless hit.

As opposed to Arian Foster who's one of the best at not taking more contact than necessary.

 

And that's fine, and what will help with that dramatic jump is to let a player who throws on the run well, who has deceptive strait line speed, work in a moving pocket and run the read option..this way you are using the whole skillset that you drafted..

From a schematic standpoint there is no disadvantage of running it as part of your offense, only positive..

Some will say, "not if he gets injured running", for that I will say, this is football, and winning is what it's all about, I'm not gonna shelve a part of a skillset that could potentially help my team score points easier to protect from an injury.

 

His sprained knee was on a scramble, just FYI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrHZ-yqBI4c

I think seeing Tannehill in the read-option will be a plus for the Dolphins offense. It was last year, even if used sparingly.

 

They used it 10 times I believe for 9.7 ypa..

 

It wasn't a designed run though, IIRC. It was him improving on a drop back pass I believe. With read-option, the QB knows exactly where the defenders are. He isn't being blindsided.

 

Considering it seems most college teams are going this way on offense, what the NFL is finding is a preponderance of QBs that are experienced in this type of offense. IMHO RGIII, Wilson, Kaepernick, and likely Tannehill now are the start of what I expect to be a trend in the NFL because the top QBs coming out are going to likely be lacking in pro-set style offense, thing like taking snaps under center, etc.

Since Tannehill has experience and the athleticism in this offense, run it on a somewhat limited basis and keep opposing DCs having to prepare for it, and let Tannehill make the best of it. If this type O was getting QBs injured more frequently, I highly doubt we would see so many college teams running it.

 

Even in college you saw RG3 take some monster hits. He's a phenomenal athlete and in college he was generally head and shoulders above the guys trying to tackle him, but for some reason he would still take some vicious blindside hits. I'd be watching his games and the clock in my head would go off and I'd be thinking "get rid of it!" and then wham! he'd get crushed. It would happen in the pocket or when running. It's almost like he didn't see or sense the hits that most QBs do. It's was honestly the one part of his game that I felt was way worse than all of the other top prospects.

 

I disagree, I think the read option will fade out quickly. The same thing happened with triple-option offenses. Colleges ran option offenses until the athletes on defense got too strong & fast, DCs got a beat on it, then it faded out. That option stuff never lasted in the NFL for the same reason - guys get used to guarding it, LBs and edge guys are just too fast and explosive at this level, and they hit the QB harder.

With extra time to prep, Baltimore shut down the Niners read-option in the first half of last year's Superbowl by teeing off on Kaep whether he kept it or not - Terrell Suggs hit him pretty good. NFL front 7s are explosive and can lay the wood if they're unimpeded and the QB is unprotected, which he is in read-option plays as the rules stand right now. Hitting the QB in this situation is perfectly legal.

There's just no substitute for great pocket passing. I think the issue is that there are currently maybe a half-dozen pocket passers who are good enough to carry their team by just throwing it amazingly to beat you (and guys like Eli and Flacco can get red hot and reach that level for stretches). Pocket passing is just a really effing hard thing to do at an elite level, which is why these young college QBs are trying to find other ways to win. In the end, though, the lasting, most consistent means of winning is by dropping back and completing passes in rhythm to every nook and corner of the field.

I think Kaepernik is in for a really disappointing season as defenses catch on - doesn't have good anticipation or touch, imo (or good WRs, for that matter). I don't see Kaepernik as a franchise, 8+ year QB; but Luck is a lock for that kind of career, imo. RG3 is such an accurate thrower that I think he'll be fine; and Wilson's anticipation and accuracy to the boundaries and deep is stellar so he's fine, and I think he will ultimately be the best of the group.

I'd rather Tanny not run any read-option, personally.

 

Not disputing that, you're correct. Just merely pointing out that his knee sprain didn't happen while he was in the pocket. I certainly think the read-option and/or designed runs by Ryan Tannehill offer more positives than negatives as it relates to Miami.

 

I think we also need to realize that "read option" is not necessarily an all encompassing philosophy, in that you are either a read option offense or not a read option offense. You can run the offense we did and have read option plays and elements when its called for and still do other things not considered read option.

 

The triple option's success is primarily based on having superior speed/athleticism. The factor that killed that was primarily scholarship limitations which leveled the playing field. The read option's success is based on a numbers game. That isn't going to change unless they allow the defense to play with 12.

 

I dont agree with all of it, but that's good stuff..

personally I don't understand why you wouldn't want a defense thinking about it,? your telling me a Qb can be better without the formation in play, I'm askin why can't the Qb be just as good with it?, why disregard the formation if the combined skillset by the Qb can score tds just as effectively as a great pocket passer..

Luck will not ever be the pocket passer Brady is, but I'll take the multiple skillset he has to get the first down in multiple ways over the one dimensional way..

One thing you left out when discussing Kap, Wilson, RG, is the unique talent to keep plays alive, the ravens might of gotten lucky a bit containing it for a half, but the improvisational athlete will adapt to the defense and most likely stay a step ahead.

 

Bingo, that's what I meant..lol..

Superior unique athletic ability at the Qb position..

 

The 49ers averaged 6.3 yards per rush in the SB, and scored 31 points. The Ravens didn't shut anything down.

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Yes, yes by George, why dismiss the read option if you can do both.

 

Gimmicks doesn't win Super Bowls.

 

in his first year as a starter..the dude balled.

 

Your calling the niner offense gimmicky?

 

Does it employ the option?

 

Dats a Fargin twick question!!!