Merged: Dolphins sign OG Danny Watkins, waive Josh Samuda

When John Jerry is in your top 5 oline talent wise, no oline coach looks good.

 

I'm gonna put that on Ireland, it matters what kind of talent he's bring in.

 

His talent has looked fine when they leave

 

excuses, excuses.

 

Oline talent?

Dont agree there. Satele, Grove, Smiley.

 

Satele has looked good since he left.

 

Turner never coached Satele.

 

Which players have not responded to Turner's coaching, then left, signed elsewhere, and showed improvement?

 

I am more talking about players that Ireland drafted and then looked fine. I don't think Ireland is the problem.

What player has responded to Turner's coaching and improved? Why are all of Miami's backups looking terrible?

This guy hasn't been Tice, Gibbs or any other of the good online coaches. Just looking at the product on the field, why the love of Jim Turner? I haven't been impressed, mostly since a lot of the mistakes look to be fundamentals.

 

John Jerry isn't anywhere close to that bad.

 

Garner hasn't looked terrible. Yeatman hasn't looked terrible.

My main point was, for anyone second guessing dropping Samuda and adding Watkins, is that Turner was likely on board with this decision, and I'd take his point of view on it, over any fans or armchair OL coaches.

 

Satele guy who basically only looks good when he's on the move. He looks like Mike Pouncey when he's uncovered, but like **** when he's asked to do the larger portion of what a linemen should do.

Satele would be perfect as a 6th OL/Tackle Eligible on a team who used a lot of that.

 

Sayonara, Samuda. He sucked.

 

I disagree, Garner has looked terrible.

 

IMO, the real culpability is the shuffling of players this late in the game. Given our depth, a draft bust who'll have a a couple of practices under his belt will not only be suited, but has a frightening chance of having to play.

I've been critical of Ireland as of late because to me, to me- we seem to be in a bit of a panic this late in the game. It's just my point of view on things but I honestly don't think i'm off and if i am, not by much.

 

You don't have to be a gastroenterologist to recognize a turd when you see one. I hear a heck of a lot more about his being a Marine than I see his players panning out. No disrespect to the Marines, but you have to think he had something to do with our not pulling the trigger on free agents, or going with Samuda at right guard, because he figured the guys we already had could get the job done. He was obviously wrong, and has not produced the required result. His unit can't get it done, the problem was not addressed in the offseason, and we are down to starting a street free agent at right guard a week before the opener. Fantastic job, Mr. Turner.

 

I've been pulling for Yeatman for the last couple of years, but I noticed something last game that I wasn't crazy about- when he's getting set in pass pro it looks like he's running in place, and that vertical pumping of his legs up and down is deterring from his ability to slide laterally. Yeatman is a pretty darned good athlete for his size- if his movement was more of just quick feet and lateral quickness a la D'Brickashaw Ferguson, or something close to it, that would be great, but he seems to struggle when he needs to go laterally as he mirrors his man. I'd be concerned if Jonathan Martin went down and Yeatman took his place at LT.

 

We cut a former UDFA in favor of a former first round pick, how is that panic mode? Both players are gambles at this point in their careers and neither may work out but we aren't heavily invested in either.

 

I think next year Yeatman has to be in the running for RT if they don't resign Clabo.

 

Still not enough to support your belief that ALL our backup OLs are terrible. You made a big deal out a comment just to be argumentative, with so substance to support your point of view.

The. Bottom. Line. Is. This. Change. Was. Made. With. The. Approval. Of. Jim. Turner.

No one here, including you, knows more about coaching the OL, or identifying OL talent, than he does. All the naysayers, lamenting the loss of Samuda, the same guy who was criticized as much here all preseason as any player on the team, appear to me to be just looking for someone to complain about. I like Samuda too, from what I saw he has raw talent and potential. I don't think I know more than Jim Turner though. So I will acquiesce to his superior knowledge of the situation.
Just for people to say they hate this move, and it doesn't matter what Turner thinks, because they think Turner sucks, doesn't fly with me.

 

Reading Armando's piece....it sounds like Watkins came here because of Miami's history of dealing with players who have had psychological issues. Would explain why he keeps mentioning the issues were more mental over physical.

Betting he will be latching onto Incognito.

 

We had 4 wrs at final cut. We kept a FB we couldnt use before we had deduced if he was usable. We drafted 3 dbs and kept 11 on the roster. We're still maneuvering to secure depth on an oline that going into week one, the jury is still out in regards to whether the starting five can play cohesively and if they don't, you had a guy in Samuda who at the vey least had experience in the system.

We spent Uncle Scrooge coin this offseason, which I don't mind in the least bit. I'd throw my arms around Jeff for that if I could. But take off the homer colored glasses for a moment and you'll see this team has the same amount of question marks going into game one as it did last year. The argument could be made, more.

Okay. Allow me to rephrase. I'm panicking. And for anyone's opinion of me, I know football- not that it takes a genius pairs of eyes to see what there is to be seen, just an unbiased pair. And if I'm panicking; a lingering labrum Jordan, 2 first day DBs gone MIA as to their ETA on the field, 2nd overall team pick in Dallas, in Miami, fans wishing he was with Dallas, Jane Doe Jenkins, RB pick who's name may be the most intricate thing about him, unknown starting LT, unknown starting RT, unknown starting RB, underwhelmingly known 2nd option RB, rookie TE, with no depth at WR, no depth at LB, no depth at CB, no depth at Oline, you bettter believe a man who's job may be on the line is panicking as well.

Gentlemen, I love your fervor. I come on here from time to time to let it lift me when I'm down. But inspite of being labeled a pessimist, i must remain a realist. When the best looking draft pick on your team going into game one is the kicker, you're in a world of hurt. When you've gone through an entire offseason and you still have the same amount of questions as the year passed only now at different positions, you're in a world if hurt. When your 2nd string is playing like your third string and your third string is nonexistent, you're in a world of hurt.

Faith is one thing. Hope is another. Both of which i have in spades but in the mean time, while whole-heartedly begging for the absolute best of things, i will call a spade a spade.

 

Even with all the crap that myself and others say about Jerry, he is not a terrible pass blocking guard. Last year, he was the 25th best pass blocking guard out of 81. Incog was 17th best for that matter. That is a pretty good pair of pass blocking guards, likely in the top half of the league for combined ranking for starting guards as pass blockers, considering there are 64 starting guards, and both ours are above the median of 32. Actually, only 10 teams had both their starting guards have a plus pass blocking grade from PFF, including Miami.
This under the tutelage of Jim Turner, whom seem here feel they know enough about OL play to criticize his work as OL coach. SMHD. Turner pushed Jerry harder than any other lineman, and got some positive results out of him. Jerry is still too heavy to move well enough to be a good zone run blocker, but if I had to take one or the other, I'd sacrifice some run blocking for better pass blocking. Bottom line is this, Jerry was looking like a waste of a 3rd round pick til Turner got hold of him.

 

I don't get the panic over CB depth as long as we don't lose anymore guys. Grimes/Patterson to me beat Smith/Marshall outright. Plus I like our pass rush now that Odrick is back inside (interior push), Vernon's growth and the limited showing of Jordan. This should help out the DB's a lot...even Nolan.

 

For the record:
2 second day DBs, not first day.
Dallas Thomas was our 3rd pick, not 2nd overall.
I don't know how Clabo is an unknown starting RT, as he has 100 career starts on the right side (90%+ at RT).
The rookie TE isn't the starter.
No depth at WR, yet top to bottom an immensely better group than last year.
We have depth at LB, it's just young and unproven, doesn't make it bad.
No depth at CB? You just complained that we kept 11 DBs, we have depth, certainly at least as much as we've had in recent years (not saying great or anything, but not enough reason to panic yet IMO).
OL depth is about the same as last year overall. Again, not saying that's a good situation, but not panic worthy IMO.
I doubt Ireland is panicking.

 

Thanks for saving me the trouble by posting basically what I was thinking.

 

Yah with OL depth I trust Yeatman at tackle. Between Garner/Watkins we have 2 guys with a lot of starts between them. Really its only backup center that concerns me.

 

My personal assessment of this years team though is 9 and 7, and I'd be good with the progression of the 2nd year coach and Qb, it sounds to me like your judging the team with too much expectations for a team with this kind of youth and salary cap room moving forward..

If I say to you your points make it sound like we'll have a losing record would I be far off in reading between the lines?

 

So, Watkins is starting against Cleveland? I did not know that. Also, it's good to refer to him as a street free agent rather than a recent 1st rounder, to better downplay any superior ability he may have than the guy who was waived to make room for him.

 

What would you call big spending then? I'd hardly call our spending in free agency as Uncle Scrooge like.

 

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

I don't care about this move. It does show a player that had talent that did not improve under Turner.

No one here knows more about coaching than Rich Kotite, it doesn't mean he was good at his job.

 

Kotite is long ago retired and basically irrelevant to this conversation. What are we saying here? Kotite was one of the worst head coaches of the past 30 years, so it is fair game to criticize any and all coaches in the NFL, well, because Kotite sucked??

 

Nothing to see here, just drivin along drivin along..


check it...strait from jet magazine..

There's this thing called the salary cap, if we were able to spend more than the other guys it's because of our own doing..

This is our position, we spent what is perceived to be a lot of money, but Guess what, WE ARE 2ND IN THE N...F....L..UNDER THE SALARY CAP!!!!...at 20,452,000..

Please let that sink in when it comes to the national narrative..

We deserved to spend that money on players, and we still are #2 in space under...that blows me away, and tells me that if we can get to an 8 and 8 or 9 and 7, were on a good path to compete long term..

Am I missing something.

 

Fine pick a coach who sucks now or a quarterback who sucks now or any other player in the NFL that sucks now because they are all much better at what they do then we are.

Mark Sanchez is not a good starting NFL quarterback, TODAY, and he knows more and is much better at being a quarterback than everyone on this board.

Heck, last season, Jonathan Martin was one of the worst right tackles in the NFL, yet thousands of times better and more knowledgeable about what it means to be a left tackle than everyone on this board.

Looking at NFL line coaches, working with NFL players and comparing them, Jim Turner has not been impressive, other than looking really cool during Hard Knocks. There was no time while watching preseason where I have thought, "Well that guy doesn't look talented, but at least he looks well coached."

I am disappointed that the Dolphins couldn't take a raw talented prospect and create a good back up out of him in two years under the tutelage of Jim Turner and has decided to give up on him for a guy who had enough talent to be a first round pick. I hope this move works out. However, saying Jim Turner's input doesn't sway me. What has he done in the NFL?

Having Jim Turner's input doesn't sway me

 

So were going to ignore Yeatman?

 

I am not ignoring him.

 

I think the stance in this case is based on youth and how many reps we have to look at relative to the coaches..

I really don't think it's about not developing the talent.

 

i don't know if the youth card still goes, i'm shocked that we are only the 9th youngest team in the league now, after the final cuts and that was before replacing samuda with watkins