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Merged: Dolphins sign OG Danny Watkins, waive Josh Samuda

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Springveldt, Sep 3, 2013.

  1. sandcastle

    sandcastle Active Member

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    According to Philly articles I read, Watkins mental issues were reading stunts.

    He is/was an inexperienced football, drafted during a lockout year, moved to a new position, playing next to a rookie center, and on a team that was starting to implode. Perhaps, Miami offers an emerging center and a more predictable QB with a firm grasp of the offense.
     
  2. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You can teach reading stunts. You can't teach talent. Best of luck to him.
     
  3. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No, you're right; I stand corrected. They're starting a guy who has had problems at the position for all the time he's been here, and who is neither fully back from a knee injury nor in shape. Point: It shouldn't have come to this. All we can do is hope that I'm wrong again and Turner coaches Watkins up to realizing his potential. I'm a skeptic until I see it.
     
  4. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    You pick one. You're the one who seems to want to deflect the argument to coaches who have no bearing in this.
     
  5. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Who is that? I thought they were starting Jerry, who was rated the 25th best passing blocking guard out of 81, last season?

    Yes, we should have known Jerry would get hurt. After all, he only played the most offensive snaps on the team last season.
     
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  6. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Maybe, I just haven't seen the results on the field.

    There are some coaches that seem to have good lines year and year out. I haven't seen that with Turner.
     
  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    You are the one deflecting. The old, "He knows more then everyone here," routine. Which is true of every coach who makes it to the NFL, whether they are good or not.
     
  8. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    I read that as less "psychological issues" and more of just a guy being over-whelmed with unfair expectations, and much like Jon Martin, learning a new position as a rookie and struggling with it. Then the Coaches got down on him over the lingering ankle issue. The Iggles were ok at LT and LG, but had a bad OLine from the Center, RG, and RT. Watkins had a lot of pressure on him as a 1st rookie who had weird expectations placed on him of being an "enforcer".

    Hopefully, in season 3 now, and with a better Dolphins Line and different coaches, he'll be able to put that behind him and play up to his potential.
     
  9. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    What am I deflecting? As usual, you just seem to find something to force an argument about. I stand by my statement that the adding of Watkins and subtracting of Samuda was done with significant input by Turner. I believe he is one of our very best position coaches. I have been impressed by him since he was at TAMU. So, I trust his opinion more than a bunch of whiners on a forum, who for the most part were constantly complaining about Samuda while he was still on the team. Now that he is gone, it is 'oh no, he was a great prospect and we gave up on him too soon. '
     
  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    You are creating a scenerio that doesn't exist. I said I am not impressed with Turner, you spouted off how he knows more than me, which is a deflection. All offensive line coaches in the NFL, even if they are terrible at their job, know more than me. It is their job.

    I don't believe he is because he hasn't produced results. So I don't trust his opinon.

    I didn't complain about Samuda other than the few bad plays he had. I thought he played better as the games went on. plus I am not sure if the mistakes were because of talent or just miscommunication.
     
  11. padre31

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    Samuda is Feinga! Feinga is Samuda!!!!!
     
  12. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Seriously. I can't fathom this. Does it not bother some of you guys when we have first and goal at the five several times and we cannot run it in? When it's always third and long? When the quarterback gets no time to throw? That's our depth on the offensive line. How long has this been going on?

    Then we don't sign free agent linemen because they want too much, and we end up less than a week before the opener sitting on $20 mil in cap room and the above situation?

    Guess I'm crazy.
     
  13. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Meaning he should be back soon , and then depart and arrive yet again numerous times? ;)
     
  14. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Think you're fretting a little much over a preseason game where they were experimenting and evaluating guys who are no longer on the team. I will be bothered when and if it happens in a real game.
     
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  15. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Feinga is a man?!?
     
  16. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    In your opinion. Anything for an excuse to be critical of signing Watkins and/or cutting Samuda.
     
  17. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Add to the fact that they had a lame duck regime last year, and it's a recipe for a guy to not reach his potential. That said, to put Watkins up there as some sort of savior OL, as some here have been, is a bit premature. Samuda had all of last year and this year to impress and didn't. He was, at this point, just another OL that was not as good as they originally thought he was going to be.

    Watkins gets a new start here and we'll see if he can live up to his potential. As of yet, he has not...
     
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  18. Fin D

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    Watch the locker room interview with him on the official site.

    There were clearly problems in Philly and he is absolutely excited about being here specifically.
     
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  19. SICK

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    Free agency is a 2-way street. Guys have to WANT to come here also.

    What LT and RG are out there we DIDNT sign you wanted? I thought the Clabo signing was top notch.
     
  20. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Watkins has played 1268 snaps in his 2 seasons in the league and through that time has allowed a total of 1 sack. Just a little tidbit of info there. Pass blocking is actually Jerry's strong suit for that matter. Maybe the RG won't get Tannehill decapitated this season.
     
  21. Da 'Fins

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    Well, Watkins was a 1st rounder, he's got the basics (34.5 arms, pretty strong, talent) and as much as he is falling under criticism by some here, the guy actually has started 23 games in two seasons. He's still very young and given his starts I'd say he's ahead of Samuda in potential to start. Having been a starter he won't be overwhelmed if he comes in for an injured player. Samuda didn't really step up this year is also another bottom line issue.

    I like the signing. I'd like to try to retain him next year. He has the talent to start on the OL for us. At the very least, add significant competition for Jerry. He also played in Andy Reid's offense so he should not have a huge learning curve coming into ours.
     
  22. Da 'Fins

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    In the meantime, anyone notice Kevin Vickerson starting again at DT for the Broncos. 7th rounder has made a pretty solid career for himself at TEN and DEN.
     
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  23. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Another in a long line of players that we were smart enough to draft, but not hang on to and develop.
     
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  24. djphinfan

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    He'll be 29 in November DF, came out of college very late.
     
  25. Springveldt

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    Why did the Eagles get rid of him then? Is this a case of them feeling he hasn't lived up to his draft position? Only 1 sack in all those snaps is excellent numbers, is the number of pressures through the roof?

    I read on a blog somewhere that Watkins only gave up a single pressure in 70 snaps in the pre-season. Compare that to our other backup players.
     
  26. Fin D

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    They wanted an enforcer like Incognito, which he was in college, but not in the pros.
     
  27. Springveldt

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    I'll take a guy that can actually block over the turn styles we had in pre-season. Don't care how he does it as long as he keeps Tannehill upright.
     
  28. keypusher

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    Uh, no. They gave up on him because they thought he was no good.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1630400-is-bust-guard-danny-watkins-already-done-in-philadelphia

    He might not be a terrible run-blocker, but he's not an ideal fit for Chip Kelly. The Baylor product was horrendous in pass protection during the first six weeks of the 2012 season, giving up 16 pressures during that stretch, according to Pro Football Focus. He was benched in favor of street free agent Jake Scott and was a healthy scratch during the final two weeks of the year.
     
  29. Califin

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    Five first round busts since 2000? Heres hoping that number has something to do with quality of development, and perhaps a different approach here, will serve us well.
    For starters, I dont know about a fire under his butt, maybe a fire hose.
     
  30. jim1

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    I'm glad that we signed Danny Watkins. Look at what happened to Wade Smith, Evan Mathis, Donald Thomas- maybe Watkins just needs a little time and the change of scenery will do him some good- the talent seems to be there. Every year there seems to be an issue with John Jerry, and personally I'm getting tired of that. Watkins was drafted at a relatively advance age, but he's still only 29, he has time. Apparently Philly and the Eagle FO put a lot of pressure on him, hopefully he'll blossom here. All those OL that we released, also Kevin Vickerson, Fred Evans, etc,- some guys take a little more time to develop. I certainly would like to see more out of Dallas Thomas, we passed on a number of good players to select him.
     
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  31. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He allowed 9 hits on the QB over that time. He allowed 32 hurries.
     
  32. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    That is right. 70 pass block snaps. 1 sack, no hits, no hurries. Many of those snaps would have come against 2nd and 3rd string players. He only started the final preseason game. The lone sack came against the Pats in week 2.
     
  33. 77FinFan

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    Anybody mention that Samuda still listed on the depth chart for week 1? :lol:
     
  34. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Also, there was TE Donald Lee.
     
  35. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Rob Ninkovich, Heath Evans, Sammy Morriss... Chris Barker is on the Pats final 53, Clyde Duncan still on the Jets roster. The one that pisses me off to this day is Donald Thomas.
     
  36. MrClean

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    There are really two categories of former Dolphins. There are the veterans who Miami let go, only to have them go to other teams, but mainly New England it seems, and have them do well there. I think even Keith Byars did that way back when.

    Then, we have the draft picks that Miami lets go of too early, only to have some other team develop them into solid players.
     
  37. cuchulainn

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    Doesn't seem so much a problem with identifying talent, but developing and coaching it... hoping all that changes under Philbin going forward.
     

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