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Parcells on ESPNRadio/ESPN News right now

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by big0mar, Dec 21, 2007.

  1. Brown42000

    Brown42000 Chillin

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    Forget it, he said more then once he'll bring someone in when talking about those positions more so about a GM then the HC and I just get the feeling most people will be shown the door.
     
  2. big0mar

    big0mar New Member

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    and when he said 'bring in' he was speaking in terms of philosophy

    it was in a figurative sense, not a literal one.
     
  3. Brown42000

    Brown42000 Chillin

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    He probably did want him considering he brings him along when given the chance but I just don't see him going quarterback with the 1st pick.
     
  4. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    There was an interesting slip when talking about GM where he said a sentence saying he will bring in a GM that .......(forgot the rest of what he said). I remember that too and wondered whether that was a subconscious slip or just a gramatical error. I personally am 100% sure Mueller is gone and about 90% sure Cameron is gone
     
  5. Brown42000

    Brown42000 Chillin

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    How could you possibly know that, I would guarantee that both Cam and Mueller will be gone but I have no say in what happens so i can't do that.
     
  6. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Muck,

    Shame on you for stating what Bill Parcells actually said. With all of the spinning of Bill's words that have gone on in this thread, there was no need of interjecting what he actually said. Don't you know that it defeats the purpose of the agendas that are being pushed by certain posters?

    :up:
     
  7. Brown42000

    Brown42000 Chillin

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    Thank you, finally someone to back up what I am talking about.
     
  8. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well away from here
    It could be like the Tom Osborne slip............"the next coach"...........wait did they fire Callahan?
     
  9. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Oh, I heard the interview, and what I heard is exactly what Muck described in his post. That's without all the twists that you want to put in it.

    I heard Bill Parcells clearly state that he will put a GM and HC into place, and that it may be the ones that are currently here and it may not be. He doesn't know yet, because he still has to evaluate all of that.

    I heard him emphatically state that the GM will have final say on all personnel decisions, and that he (BP) will not overrule the GM.

    I heard him say that his job with the Dolphins is to put a structure into place that can last over the long term.

    I heard him say that he, the GM, the HC, and the cap guy all need to be philosophically compatible.

    What I didn't hear was him say that he was going to bring a GM in, or that he was going to bring a HC in, or that he was going to fire anyone at this point. He clearly didn't say that.
     
  10. Danny

    Danny New Member

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    I didn't listen to it but I doubt that he's gonna be talking about bringing in a new HC or GM till he at least have time to sit with Muller and Cam...as far as who he'll draft,I'm sure he has an idea already but you'd have to wait for free agency first since that can change a lot of things.Just my 2 cents.

    Ozzy rules!!
     
  11. dabeastdabone

    dabeastdabone New Member

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    Calm down fellas.

    IMO it makes sense Parcells cleans house. You have to dig way to hard and be looking through some thick aqua tinted glasses (which a number of people here do) to believe Randy and Cam have done any good.

    I also think it would be a ego thing for Parcells to do it 100% and not 70% which it would be letting Cam/Randy stay and get credit at some point.
     
  12. finswin56

    finswin56 Get a mop

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    I've deleted a few of the crappy remarks some of you have posted. Please remember to stay on topic and refrain from making personal comments.
     
  13. billsfaninpeace

    billsfaninpeace New Member

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    Based off that I think people can stop worrying about WHO Parcells would draft. He stated the GM would be doing all that
     
  14. Brown42000

    Brown42000 Chillin

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    I understand and figured that would happen after what I wrote.
     
  15. Brown42000

    Brown42000 Chillin

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    He will be involved in the draft even if he says he won't be, Parcells will have final say on everything because that is the type of person he is and always will be.
     
  16. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    Bro please don't make the staff work harder.
     
  17. billsfaninpeace

    billsfaninpeace New Member

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    Ok well let me ask you this. If he does, I am not sure of too many coaches and or GMs that will mind having Daddy second guessing everything they do?
     
  18. Brown42000

    Brown42000 Chillin

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    No he didn't say he was going to fire anyone but more then one time he did say "We will bring someone in (can't remember the rest word for word)" when referring to the GM, whether or not he messed up his wording or accidently let it slip I don't know but I do believe Mueller will be gone.
     
  19. Brown42000

    Brown42000 Chillin

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    Sorry but when someone makes a smart comment or questions my intelligence it is in my personality to say something back and not sit back and take it whether it be on a message board or not. Believe me I try my best not to start trouble.
     
  20. Brown42000

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    That is why he will bring someone in who has the same philosphy as he does so there will not be as many differences in opinion. Also word is he will like to bring in Jeff Ireland to be the GM who supposedly made most of the Cowboys draft choices so if he comes there will be no problem at all.
     
  21. billsfaninpeace

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    Ok I understand what he would like to do. But I would have to think Jerry Jones would also have an opinion on that as well..

    The problem here is Tuna is very Old School. Well guess what that means his philosphy he would want to see is the same. New Age players do not react well to that.

    I do not know how much impact this will have on the Fins only time will tell I guess. But I also think there are alot of you that need to curb your expectations of him. Or much like Cam and Saban you will be calling for his head after one year.
     
  22. RollieGotFingered

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    What could Jerry Jones do? Ireland is the scouting director. He would be the Dolphins GM. It's a promotion, so under league rules Jones couldn't block him from leaving.

    And the difference between Parcells and Saban is Parcells has a track record of *NFL* success everywhere he's been. Saban hadn't run anything above the Cleveland Browns defense at the NFL level prior to arriving in Miami.
     
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  23. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Thats why many of us have 0 desire to see him as the coach. He showed that player management may be somewhat advancing beyond him with his stint in Dallas-though i dont think having TO helped that situation at all.

    That said, the guy -knows- talent. His position right now is to evaluate talent and bring us in players. He has a track record of building teams sucessfully. I think as long as he stays out of coaching and direct player management and lets the coach handle that, he will be a success here.

    And I think your scared :lol:
     
  24. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Parcells also gave Arthur Blank a vibe that he'd be working for him.

    Don't post guesses as if they're facts.
     
  25. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    I still think you're taking things too literally. Like this:

    This was a preface by Mort when asking another question. Not even worth noting IMO. I mean, who doesn't know that? But you write it as a newsworthy statement by Parcells.

    My point is, none of us are infallible. So it's possible you're interpretation is incorrect.

    We're 1-13. You'd expect there to be a house cleaning. Phil Simms said Parcells will hire someone in his own image. Is Cam Cameron similar enough to Parcells? Not likely, but we don't know what will happen.

    Still, as Hank Goldberg said tonight, Parcells twice tried to hire Randy Mueller when he was head coach. Once when he was with the Jets but couldn't get permission from Seattle.

    You never know. But I'd expect a few surprises.
     
  26. Brown42000

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    I should not have posted the 2nd round pick thing but I figured I would pass it along to anyone who wasn't listening and IMO Mueller is a goner.
     
  27. billsfaninpeace

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    I was actually buying into everything that you said up until that point right there.

    Yes he does know talent. The problem I have and it is more of a wonder is HOW much influence will he actually have.

    I just cannot look at this like a Phin fan and say everything is great Tuna will fix you all.

    I hope for the best for you all but I just do not think he will have as much of an impact as you all are predicting
     
  28. THCMAN

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    I get the feeling Mueller has a better chance of staying onboard than Cam.

    The record is his report card & he failed every subject, in a historically bad way. :(:wave:
     
  29. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Yeah, he failed. Let's see. The young players on the team got better as the season went along with this coaching. That's a reason to fail him.

    The team played hard and continued to work hard in the face of adversity. The fact that he was able to keep the team together is a reason to fail him.

    I guess the Giants should have fired Bill Parcells when he was 3-12-1 in his first season as a head coach.
     
  30. THCMAN

    THCMAN New Member

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    :huh:, I didn't fail him. I think he's a nice guy, but didn't the fins almost make a new record for losses in a season?

    A new record in the entire history of the NFL. :sad:

    If he would have kicked a few field goals on 4th down, the record could have been a little better. Remember what Herme said? :lol:

    It isn't a science experiment out there, you SHOULD play to win the game. ALL THE TIME...
     
  31. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    A member of the coaching staff or front office employee cannot be barred from leaving their job if their new job is a promotion.

    Jeff Ireland would be the GM of the Miami Dolphins, not the Director of Scouting.

    Jerry Jones wouldn't be able to do anything. And it would irk him to no end.
     
  32. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    that quote is exactly why we just saved our franchise *** with this hire, bill understands that to play in this town, especially in this town, a player must be devoted to his craft on his own.

    you must be self motivated and tough to succeed in miami, this is exactly why we are one of the worst teams ever. the town, the culture, the stadium, will rip a team apart.
     
  33. THCMAN

    THCMAN New Member

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    That's the truth, it used to be almost automatic...

    Everytime the fins would get a good week of press, they would ALWAYS get their arses handed to them..:(
     
  34. psingh01

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    I didn't hear it but I think people are reading what they want into his comments. He is not going to talk about what positions he will draft, who he will fire and what not. He mostly gives generic answers. Is he going to bring in players that will be here 10 years from now? Well if you of course. If you asked Wanny he would of said the same. No one intentionally tries to draft busts lol
     
  35. Hellion

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    Who is currently the Cowboys GM? If Jones is set on keeping Ireland couldn't he simply promote him within the Dallas organization. Isn't that what Saban did with Capers when he was getting interest as a DC, Saban "promoted" him to DC/assistant HC to avoid losing him. Or am I missing something there?:huh:
     
  36. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    can one of the mods tell me how i get my vip status back, i'am just a junior member, I really don't like the term junior member, know what i'am sayin,lol
     
  37. late again

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    Actually that is ONE thing that can be said without reservation - it will not happen!
    Jones himself is the GM for the Cowboys.
     
  38. Desides

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    Yes, but it would be an empty role. Ireland and Jones both would know that Jones would simply exercise his prerogative as owner to do what he wants. Ireland would only agree to it if he wanted to stick a finger in Parcells' eye and continue to work under Jerry Jones. I can't imagine anyone wanting to do that.

    No. Capers was named assistant head coach due to a stipulation in Capers' contract with Houston that left the Texans on the hook for his salary if he did not assume a job as a defensive coordinator with another team.

    This is why the entire issue of Capers' contract came up in the 2007 offseason: he literally did not have a contract with us until he signed his current three-year deal.
     
  39. sweeper

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    he said he wants someone in which football is number 1 besides imediate family....Long (chris) and dorsey ocme to mind. why so? cuz he isnt a guy who drafts RBs that high but more of DE's and RB/TEs and a lot of linemen later in the draft. he loves the lines on both D and O which ihs awesome cuz we need major help in those 2. He loves to draft Lbs, Linemen on D and O linemen along with TEs. all in which are MAJOR needs on this team.
     
  40. calfinfan

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    No one knows what changes Parcell's will make. He's stated all along he will review everything and keep the existing GM and or HC; or find his own replacement. It all depends on his impressions after his review and talking to each.

    I trust Parcel's judgement either way. Personally I think Cam stays. However, Mueller may be gone. Word prior to signing Parcel's was that he recommended to Huizenga that he keep Cam as the HC. Remember Cam said he wanted to build the dolphans inside out, and he sticks to his guns; two characteristics Parcel's has.
     

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